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In all seriousness, can he do what he says he'll do if elected?

I'm a new supporter. I immensely didn't want McCain to win in 2008 and thought RP had no chance so I voted against McCain at both levels. I actually thought BO would bring the troops home and stop the personal privacy destruction going on and boy was I fooled. I personally doubt he meant to lie but just became part of the system. That's neither here nor there. 3 months ago a long time RP supporter finally pointed me to his wikipedia page and ronpaul2012.com site regarding the issues. I read over his stuff for a couple months, watched some debates and considered his positions in relation to my Christian faith. I officially announced my support for RP about 1 month ago on facebook, something I'd never done before regarding a candidate. I faithfully daily post about RP hoping that someone will watch listen and learn. RP has so much opposition to him, I'm actually quite scared for his life and so I need to pray for him. There is so much money to be lost by so many people if he becomes President, I fear they won't let him or won't let him survive. They did it after Kennedy tried to change the monetary policy and from what I've heard monetary policy had a lot to do with Lincoln and Garfield too.

anyway, my question is this in all seriousness: can he do all the things he says he will do without congress drafting legislation he would agree with? I realize some of his foreign policy decisions are his alone, but below are just a few things from his super brochure that I thought would only be possible if Congress agreed to it and give his opposition to the status quo it would seem none of them would draft legislation that would go far enough to please him:

Phase out IRS
End federal reserve
Phase out income tax
end death tax
stop foreign aid (is this his to decide?)
Fix health care
repeal patriot act
abolish corporate subsidies
return to the gold standard (or other precious medals)
allow competing currencies
end HUD, Commerce, energy, interior, education agencies

I will post a follow up question as a separate post. The biggest con I hear people say is "he'd never get anything done because he's too idealistic, not realistic." For example, if congress proposed legislation that was very dramatic changes from status quo, yet was not up to Paul's standard would he hold out till he got his way or finished the term or would he take steps towards these goals?



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Wow what a spark

I've been participating in online discussions from a wide range of topics for years and NEVER have I have asked a question only to get swamped in life and return the next day to see a huge response. Thank you all. Honestly you are very inspiring simply because you all responded knowing others would. Usually people think they'll chime in and then stop once they see someone else has. Not Paulbots apparently. I must live in a bubble because none of the RP supporters I know are out there actively doing much to promote paul (even I am ashamed at how little I've done). If the people in this forum represent a smidgen of the future of USA politicians then I think we have a fighting chance! That being said, you all deserved some responses. Read and pick a couple to reply to if you don't mind (unless you're super ambitious!). below is a summary of what I read and some follow up questions.

Thanks and God bless you all!

* local government and state level will long term lead to federal representatives who support those positions expressed at the more local consensus

* continued campaigning for those like him at other levels (like above)

* he has the power to fill judicial positions with strict constitutionalists (but what about Supreme Court, isn't he outnumbered essentially until they die/retire which is somewhat rare?)

* trim 10% across the board, reducing deficit

* using scaling back defense budget as leverage for getting social welfare cuts (don't get this coupling here). plus isn't his stance that democrats pretend to want military spending to go down, but it only goes down enough to please the voters, not to actually scale it back? wouldn't it follow then that even democrats wouldn't support the large scale cutback he's proposing?

* I don't understand the citizen waiver option mentioned. you're saying the president has constitutional authority to waive every citizen's requirement to have health care? Would RP consider that constitutional?

* end all previously written executive orders with one of his own? can he remove executive order capability altogether? Is there a list somewhere of what EO's he'd be undoing? what if there are EO's that aside from the means that they were passed RP supporters would generally think are the right goals? would we undo those out of principal?

* force reps who don't want to have zero passed bills on their hands, through use of veto power, to send him bills he'd pass.

* if both sides are truly status quo, couldn't they work together to override his veto on things both sides agree on? would that be good or bad?

* what real authority does the POTUS have to remove the 5 departments he wants to? can he undo rules of the EPA all by himself? can he undo NCLB and other department of education rules all by himself? Or does this require legislation to be passed? would almost all the employees in those departments throughout the nation be out of work?

* will people "forgive him" if in first year congress doesn't pass anything allowing him to cut a total of 1 trillion off budget? Or would it be more cumulatively considered (new direction guarantees $1,000,000,000 cut over 10 years for example)?

* PET PEEVE (dlind) - great post. Thanks for the thorough answer

* really interested in the FDA part. Let's say he defunds them, does that undo the requirement that things be FDA approved to be sold (or is that a myth altogether)? And is his position really to just let people die/suffer because of suddenly lax requirements for selling drugs and foods? It almost makes us be the guineau pigs instead of the mice because there won't be the FDA require ample studies before coming to market. This is probably one of the scaries parts of his positions. It seems with so much deregulation it will take people dieing or getting seriously injured with every new product/company before people become aware not to buy that car or that medicine, etc. Seems like some sort of regulation at some reliable level could help if somehow we could keep the corporation lobbyists out of the ballgame.

* brooks.popwell - thatnks for the video!

Thanks for this great thread

A lot of your questions are the same ones I have.

Particularly with ending the departments—I read that Reagan tried to end the Dept of Education but was stopped by congress.

As far as he federal jobs, this article says:

"Paul said he would accomplish the cuts without federal employee layoffs, noting that "nobody gets laid off immediately; they get laid off through attrition.""

But if nobody's laid off, how would money be saved? Perhaps fed workers would get pay cuts?

He's not going to do it.

We're going to do it.

There's a lot that a president can do.

And there's a shocking amount that the presidents can't do.

Presidents can't create sustainable jobs. We do.

Presidents can't ensure that the house and senate ranks are filled with contitution loyal representatives. We do.

Presidents can't repeal or dismantle all sorts of things. But we can.

But Ron Paul is the standard bearer, leading the charge.

Barack inspired a bunch of kids, but there was nothing after the initial excitement and election victory, for them to latch on to.

Paul is inspiring and teaching people of all ages that we're the ones who will have to make the big changes.

For example: Social Security is a ponzi scheme. And while Ron Paul has promised to protect it short term so that people who are dependent on it will not suffer, long term, it is unsustainable. How are we going to prevent millions of people who approach retirement age over the next 20 years to not fight to keep that failed program alive? Easy. Everyone who has been inspired to learn about history, government, politics, and economics will have to talk to their mothers and fathers, to their grandparents, to their friends, and have a dialogue.

If anyone thinks that we can change the big problems with a president, acting like a king, issuing decrees ...then simply you are in serious need of vast amounts of deprogramming.

wake up.

WHEN he is elected,

He will have the backing of We the People. That is what will get the initiatives done.

Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947

Court appointees

He'll have 4 years to fill the district, appellate, and Supreme court vacancies with strict constitutionalists. That will pay dividends for many years and put a real constraint on future Congresses and presidents.

I think He can Accomplish Much

His budget allows competing currencies, abolishes the TSA, ends the death tax, stops foreign aid, and ends the five departments. It may also have a full audit of the federal reserve (the first step toward ending it, at least) and no money for corporate subsidies.

So simply passing the budget gets all that done.

As far as can he pass that budget - I think so. Ending the wars and trimming the defense budget gives Paul a strong ethical lever to get Democrats to come to the table with bureaucratic / social welfare cuts. In addition - his budget has no real favoritism. A 10% across the board reduction in federal spending, plus zero foreign subsidies is alot easier to pass than picking and choosing less favored and more favored cuts, and picking and choosing foreign subsidies. So I think that Ron Paul's plan has the most likelihood of achieving these goals.

It doesnt matter . . .

If he only does 1/2 of what he wants to do, it will be a good term and probabaly gt him re-elected to do even more!!!

This election is not about Ron Paul becoming president anymore IMO. His truth and honesty has made this an election of BIG government and the US moving to a complete dictatorship vs. constitutional government.

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Ron Paul as President would change the way Politics works!

Good question, I'm not sure what he can achieve due to resistance by the establishment, congress and the senate....

but what I know he would do, is change the people's expectations of their representatives by speaking the truth, in great detail, day after day, on each issue that arises.

He won't hide away, making the occasional vacuous speech full of platitudes - he'll lead a national debate and generate an army of knowledgeable students and start waking up the masses.

This will spark an overthrow of the establishment and send hundreds of new representatives into the Senate and Congress, who platform on Ron Paul's issues. And that's a change that could last decades, until the people get rich, lazy and comfortable again.

Bottom Line

The President is not a dictator.

I am 100% certain that President Ron Paul will use the powers of the Presidency to their constitutional maximum to achieve the necessary reforms; whether that is enough to get all the reforms completed depends on many factors outside the control of the President.

Making Ron Paul the President is not the end-goal here. It is only step one in taking this country back. Once he is inaugurated, we have to pressure our representatives (or so they call themselves) in Congress. Many will refuse to play ball and will try to preserve the status quo, and those Congressmen will have to be put out of a job. Within a few months of Paul's first term, we should know pretty well who's with us and who's against us - we should be able to make a list of those who are against us, and plan to run a pro-liberty candidate against each and every one of those people in the next available election - or even push for a recall election where possible.

No one ever said this was going to be easy.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Obamacare

Yes, Ron Paul can do quite a bit about all the issues he has brought to the forefront. But on this particular issue, I'm very surprised no one has mentioned this. The office of the President could simply issue a waiver to every citizen of the entire United States. This legislation need not be overturned to be rendered null and void. One stroke of the pen and it goes away.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Our Work

Our work will have to continue in earnest once Dr. Paul is elected. Our Congress has proven over the years that they will do anything to be reelected. As Dr. Paul makes changes, it will be our responsibility to incesently hound our Representatives and Senators until they vote the right way. We must let them know they are out unless they start taking their oath to protect the Constitution seriously.

can he do what he says he'll do?

Of course he can be cause we as constitutionalists are growing stronger in our support, so two years in people either learn to co-operate with their constituents (us) or they quickly learn they will be voted out. Stress the im portance of voting to friends and family, quit talking sports, ESPN cannot save our Country, quit watching tv, and listening to every thing we are spoon fed by the media.We are running out of time. Vote, talk politics, know your constitution and your rights, whats left of them and work to get them back.

Love of God , Love of Country, Love of family, Love of Life, Love of Liberty. I would take a bullet for this man.

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He can also end all the

He can also end all the unconstitutional executive orders without the congress.

As commander-in-chief of the

As commander-in-chief of the armed forces, President Paul absolutely can (and WILL) bring the troops home and get out of the undeclared, unconstitutional wars we are involved in. And he can (and WILL) refuse to commit troops to new wars unless we are threatened with REAL 'imminent danger' or the Congress actually declares war.

Many of the other things Dr. Paul wants to accomplish would require congress. But Ron Paul is a master at building coalitions; he will not compromise his principals but he can and will work with memebers of congress and the senate on issues where they have common goals, even if he disagrees with those same members on other issues. He's the ONLY candidate that has shown he can effectively work with members of the 'opposing' party without caving on his core beliefs.

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seriously, can a potus send US troops...

across the globe, indiscriminantly? without the support of the people? the congress?

if that can happen then Dr. Paul can SURELY bring them home!

thats my feeling...of course, you might make kissinger and brezinski mad but, what the hell, they don't run this country, do they?

if you and I, we, the people own this country then Dr. Paul can do it!

this is the crossroads, this is where we find out who runs this country...

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America at Crossroads, - from Telegraph.net
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Ron Paul is changing government everyday

BO has ended the conflict in Iraq, he's now talking about condensing government departments... those are two examples. BO's only hope against Ron Paul is to do what Ron Paul is saying he will do.

Many of the GOP candidates have been stealing Ron Paul's statements since last election.

Ron Paul's popular support with the people has government looking at how they can make changes and follow through.

Message is Winning,

thanks for listing your observations, = positive changes, encouraging, = RP & supporters march on, with the Message of Liberty.

The logical answer is yes, of course he could

If RP as president couldn't do any of the things he is campaigning for it would seem logical he would have no opposition from the MSM and the corporations opposing him. The fact he is driving a huge fear in the establishment is proof enough, else they wouldn't bother. Its not the three branches of government that would hinder his actions, his authority would be the constitution. If every action of the government was put to a litmus test of the constitution, the results may prove dramatic.

Not all of them will be

Not all of them will be achieveable in the first term. But some will.

Remember, if he does the impossible and gets elected, he will have a mandate, and his movement will be nothing short of revolutionary. Congress and Senate will know this...he will have political capital to enact some of these changes.

Others are changes he doesn't need them for: pulling out all troops, vetoing ALL bills for 4 years that are garbage, pardoning all non-violent drug offenders, and canceling ALL previous executive orders with just one!

There are many changes within the first 6 months that Paul can accomplish with the other branches of govt. As far as Obamacare, etc....the Supreme Court doesn't have a police force(Andy Jackson famously observed)...so Paul can simply say, these are unconstitutional, you enforce them because I won't. And they can't.

Having Dr. Paul as POTUS

with these goals in mind people would be forced to find alternatives. It's not all or nothing, but with his loyalty to the U.S. Constitution and being honest we can achieve so much more than just expanding the current status of war and debt with the same crooks reaping the benefits of new money first. Dr. Paul will unify people for an honest and free system once again.
Remember, we all have an interest in freedom.

As far as reviving the economy,

appointing Jim Grant as Federal Reserve chairman, with a mandate to resume the policies that Paul Volcker implemented 1979-83 would stop the inflation and cause households to start saving again. After Volcker, the household savings rate rose to over 10% which is the foundation of a sound economy and currency. The current zero-interest-rate-policy is the principal cause of the inflation and economic collapse.

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

It's all about changing

directions. The current path is unsustainable with serious repercussions when the inevitable crash occurs. I personally can't believe the current economy has been propped up so long.

Hopefully, with a change in direction (policy, spending, etc.), this Republic can be restored and maintained. There will be coughing and sputtering, like an old engine that hasn't been used in a while.

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate willing to buck the status-quo, change the destructive path we are on and attempt to revive this nation. Many believe we should give him that chance - he is a fighter, especially of causes that are AGAINST the staus-quo, there is no ego to get in the way.

At least he is putting the people's interests first.

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People like this prospective Congressman

http://www.danoconnor2012.com/issues/

are the effect of Ron Paul gaining traction and countless other libertarians as more people realize government has morphed into a force against liberty and progress.

Social welfare, individual equality and peace abroad with much less force applied by fedgov seems to be his schtick. Central planners and power brokers can take a hike.

also a reason.tv interview.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/01/13/can-a-white-libertarian-ma...

Whether he is for real or can get elected of course remains to be seen since there is no record to speak of except his bio and words.

Even if "Dr. No" can't

clean up the flooded basement, he'll at least turn the water off.

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MaxK below has one of the best answers here

Absolutely,His Veto power will be a force to be reckoned with. It will force Congress and the Supreme Court to earn their money in order to get something passed.The delay will give to bill time to be exposed to the people for review and protest. They will come to know his veto habits and start to think twice about shoving through Crap.They will have to negotiate and win over his approval and we know it will be constitutional when finally approved and signed.He will force them to thresh the wheat from the chaff.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

It isn't going to all happen overnight

But he could infact turn this country around.

The world is finally ready to grow up, out of the dark ages, and into a new era.

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For the most part no

I saw another comment saying "for the most part yes" so I'll use the same format and answer No, for the most part he can't.

He doesn't say he can. It takes congress and there is little on your list which a president can achieve to any significant degree.

By electing a Ron Paul to the presidency, Americans would be sending a loud and clear signal to congress that things must change. In that way, the election of Ron Paul would bring immense clout.