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When was the last time you heard the Pledge of Allegiance on TV?

Anywhere?

I'd love to see Paul introductory remarks at a debate to be the Pledge of Allegiance.

It also would be nice to try to get other politicians, propagandists, celebrities, etc. to say it. They'd squirm around like crazy. But most would pretend and do it...thus, the people would expect them to be more patriotic in the future.

BTW: I put this under Activism because the Pledge is a good litmus test to use on so called leaders.




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Make this a unifying factor rather than a divisive subtrahend !

I have been reading the comments here on this here topic/thread on the DP about the 'Pledge of Allegiance'.

When was the last time you ever read Cervantes' Don Quixote?

There is a meme which persists from that work, that of, "tilting at windmills" - it persists as a meme even unto this day!

The "Pledge" has roots in another time. Do we not seek to link that other time to now? Those other folks from an earlier simpler time (in our eyes) to NOW? Come on.

If the 'Pledge of Allegiance' will serve as a unifying factor or 'a lifeline' to some of the 'older' folks who watched Red Skelton and Lawrence Welk while we were all partying, let it be!

This is a tempest-in-a-teapot sort of issue!

Let it be! Move on! We have a fscking country to win BACK here!

Behold: the fool saith, "Put not all thine eggs in the one basket; but the wise man saith, "Put all your eggs in the one basket and -- watch that basket."

We are so close! Unification rather than divisiveness will help us all, together, to win the day and in the process (we all hope; I hope) WIN THE COUNTRY BACK!

We are so close!

the Red Skelton link is excellent in this regard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM

This is likely our last chance to unify the folks who love this country and regain freedom!

This is just as much their country as it is ours, and they were here first!

:)

If you're a tar baby when feathers are flying...

"Indivisible?" Really?

Has any nation in the history of the earth been indivisible...been UNABLE TO BE DIVIDED?

I think not. I skip that word when I say the pledge....and I work in a public school!

Pledge of Allegiance.

1,664,435 views. The Pledge has taken on a life of its' own. The Pledge might be considered sacred to the older generation, and I would recommend the Campaign post it to their web site for all visitors to see. This will definitely appeal to the over 50 voter who remember Red Skelton.

Listen to Red Skelton define the meaning of the Pledge in 1969.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

Pledge of Allegiance.

The original from the Red Skelton Show is posted above.

Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty

The Pledge of Obedience

The Pledge was written by a Christian-Socialist named Edward Bellamy to sell flags. Later it was adopted to indoctrinate school children. Initially the salute was based on the National Socialist salute, but was changed when the Nazis fell out of favor in America.

The opening section of the Declaration of Independence argues very eloquently why one should never pledge allegiance to a government.

Allegiance (n)
1: Loyalty or commitment of a subordinate to a superior or of an individual to a group or cause.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

As someone

who believes in Scripture I can't understand why any Christian, Jew or Muslim would pledge allegiance to a flag. Especially one that represents a nation that has no Scriptural foundation or purpose. Our God does not approve.

Hmmm....i posted this as a brainstorm idea to help Ron Paul

I can see that it is being met with mixed reviews.

Having a discussion that distracts from the pressing needs in SC was not my intention.

Thus, let us table this discussion until another time.

Kindly,

RR

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Pledge of allegiance is barfy

As an individualist, 'pledging allegiance to the flag of the USA', makes me a little queasy. I don't pledge myself to a symbol for starters, nor to a vague allusion to the USA which could mean the government, the state, or at best, the collection of people and real estate in our geography.

Seems like jingoism and Musollini-style statist cheerleading. Just my personal opinion.

I was going to try and get my kids out of saying it at school, but it seemed to fussy to try.

Sweetly and respectfully,

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I think the "flag" part can be done away with

but I like the pledge in general.

It instills principles so deeply in our social psyche that it makes doing anything opposing it so horrific, it is rarely done.

The question is 'which principles do we want to instill in our social psyche?'

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Not sure about 'social psyche' either

Hi Road Runner,

In my preference, I wouldn't like to have any particular social psyche instilled in anybody. How would we decide which one? Would we use democracy? Or would we want homogeny in psyches at all?

A couple posts up there is someone wishing for scripture in the basis of either the flag or the pledge. As an atheist, I'm uncomfortable with this (and is another complaint I have with 'under god').

I'm not name-calling, but trying to unify an individual's thought beyond reason and logical persuasion sounds like a very collectivist notion.

Just my two cents. Peace!

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At least it says to the

At least it says to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, and for liberty for all.

Agreed with the posters below...

I've never really liked the Pledge of Allegiance. Part of that is being a life-long agnostic who's in favor of secular government. But I also dislike the idea of pledging allegiance to anything other than the Constitution.

Good

emphasize the REPUBLIC part...

If You Knew Its History, You Wouldn't Want Anyone Reciting It

The Pledge wasn't even created until sometime in the 1890s, during the beginning of our current jingoistic phase. Its creator was a socialistic Northern Baptist minister who saw it as a way of instilling loyalty to the state in every nation on earth. There was nothing specifically American about it, at least at the beginning.

Until Congress changed it in 1942, the way of pledging allegiance to the flag was basically the Nazi stiff-arm salute. I can recall seeing such a photo in a high-school history textbook.

I can't imagine Jefferson pledging allegiance to any government, and many of his contemporaries undoubtedly would have regarded this as an abomination as well. It constitutes the antithesis of a limited constitutional republic.

What matters to me is whether someone is committed to supporting and defending the Constitution. I'd like to see Ron's challengers recite that without gagging.

It is a pledge to a style of government, a way of living

not a pledge to a government

Frankly, the end of the pledge is very important. It sites rights for the people AND say no one is above the law.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

I can see "under God" taken out...as it was previously.

Perhaps it's time to update the pledge...to the Constitution...something that clearly states that one stands for the US citizens, and certain principles such as non-intervention.

The national anthem

I haven't heard the pledge of allegiance on the television since I stopped watching many, many years ago.

I do have fond memories of television stations sign-off videos from the 80's and 90's. They were typically very patriotic and inspirational and almost always set to our National Anthem.

You're Wrong

For these reasons:

The pledge would cause we individualists to squirm more than anyone.

Politicians would have no problem whatsoever saying or doing anything that would paint them as "patriotic."

Now, if you want something that will send chills down your spine, try to find the video from the 2007 campaign, where, at a rally in the mid-west, the microphone cut out during the singing of the national anthem, and the crowd filled in, breaking out into cheers on the word "free."

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Wise individuals know they occasionally have to join forces to

protect their civilization...from forces external and internal.