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I want to scream when Ron makes comments like these in the NY Times!

I don't know about you, but the time I'm not working for a living, I'm working for Ron Paul, or thinking about what I'm going to do for Ron Paul next. So, when I read an article like this, with these kinds of remarks from Ron Paul, all the wind goes out of my sails. Why does he say these things? Oh sure, further on, he gets back in the groove, but guess what part was read on CSPAN this morning.

Somebody please, talk me out of my blues.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/us/politics/ron-pauls-camp...

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Okay, here are the comments that made me red line:

“The odds are right now that Romney, he pulls it off,” Mr. Paul, a Texas congressman, said in an interview here.

CK: Ron, don't you think that all the Romney atttack ads are having an effect? Don't you think that all our phone calling & campaigning are having an effect? I know in my calls I'm doing very well knocking out Romney. So, what I'd like you to say Ron is, "I'm going to win. My support is going up every week. All it takes is people hearing my message & they want to come on board." Ron, I don't want ONE WORD coming out of your mouth even HINTING at Romney winning - NOT ONE WORD!!!!

“But he doesn’t even have a guarantee in a week. That whole thing can shift rather quickly.”

CK: Yes, Ron, you qualified your remark above, but it's too late, the cat is out of the bag & that's the quote the media will go with.

So even as his aides plot a strategy to pick up delegates, they are beginning to plan how to use the leverage they are gaining to try to force the party to take his and his supporters’ views into account, signaling what Mr. Paul would want to party officials and rival candidates who are eager for the backing of his fervent following but nervous that he might undertake a third-party bid.

CK: Ron's campaign needs to make it plain in every interview, his supporters are not going to support ANY other republican - PERIOD! It's Ron or nothing. Ron can't say or do anything that will change our minds. The media seems to think Ron has some kind of master control over us, but he doesn't. We will not accept any alternatives to Ron.

One person close to the Paul campaign said this could include support for greater transparency at the Federal Reserve, a commitment to address what Mr. Paul views as the Patriot Act’s infringement on civil liberties and a curb on the powers of any president to wage war without Congressional approval. And the campaign wants Mr. Paul’s supporters to have a voice and a role in the national party machinery — just like they do in many state Republican parties — no matter who becomes the nominee.

CK: If Ron's not the nominee, our energy with the party will plummet. Sure, here in Nevada we participate in our local politics, but it's not the same at all. We still have to see how we're treated at our county & state conventions. If it's anything like last time, there will be blood.

“The more delegates I have, the more leverage I have,” Mr. Paul said in the interview here, during which he candidly discussed his hopes but remained circumspect about some issues. “We’ll go after delegates, and we have staying power.”

CK: This statement was fine.

Asked whether he believed he would have the leverage to make Republicans more willing to accommodate his supporters and positions, he said: “I don’t know how they’re going to handle it. Because we’re very precise on what we would like, and I can’t imagine all of a sudden one of the other candidates changing their position on their desire to go to war constantly.”

CK: I have seen no sign from the republican party rulers that they accept us in any way, shape or form.

I still stand by my horror at this article. Ron should be making comments like a conquering Caesar. He really does have an upper hand right now that's very powerful.

Not a damn thing wrong with anything he said

You, on the other hand, definitely have a problem with obsessively nit-picking. Like you're deliberately trying to find something you don't like.

Your 'horror' should be projected at the propaganda and smears and lies and words they put in his mouth.

Ever heard the term "frenemy"?

oh, and if ANYone is unelectable . . .

it is Mitt Romney.

Many LDS do not like or respect him.

Those who do aren't enough to elect him.

The evangelical Christians don't want him.

He has no 'real' following; he's being propped up by the MSM--

(and the PTB)--

so . . .

this is a real 'battle'--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I don't see a problem, but I guess I could be . . .

out of touch. I've been voting for Dr. Paul since 1988--LOL!

And the fact is that there are a lot of people who are going to be VERY angry if Romney gets the GOP nomination, but *we* all know the MSM wants that--

this man is in this 'race' for more than the presidency of the U.S.; he has a lot of people in the country who want to be free--

this isn't just an election; it is much more than that.

But that is how *I* see it, and I apologize if I'm not being sensitive--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

you have to live with the fact

that Dr. Paul is honest. His first thought is not "what do people want to hear" or "what should I say to win". Isn't that what makes him different than the rest?

Do people bother to read the comments or the article first

before jumping in with their opinions?

The fact that Ron Paul is honest has nothing to do with an article that blatantly put words in his mouth to make it look like he believes he might not win.

I'm beginning to believe this whole site is crawling with shills.

Response from original poster?Have you actually read article yet

NOWHERE does it say that Ron Paul "acknowledges he may not make it." That's the Times' own fictional wording in their first paragraph of "writing."

NOWHERE throughout the entire article does it have a quote by Ron Paul saying that getting delegates is his "backup plan" in cases he loses.

That's the Times putting words in his mouth, as usual.
They're not quoting *him*, they're quoting their own propaganda!

Your title makes me want to "scream." Why don't you change it? Heard of the phrase "with friends like you..."

You need to read the article before having a knee-jerk reaction to it. Otherwise, it's like you believe the mainstream media's words before checking to see the source!

A Genuine Conversation

It is refreshing to the reader to see a genuine conversation. Most candidates are trying to sell an self-image and come off a bit pompous or blustery. Dr Paul says it as he sees it. I like him for that and hope he remains genuine.
He is in it for all Americans.
Keep the faith .

Gwen Kraft

"Personal Liberty & Personal Responsibility" -- Dr. Ron Paul

"A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom." -- Bob Dylan

Are you kidding?

You're making excuses for the Times putting words in his mouth?

He never said anything about a "backup" plan or acknowledge that he "might not make it."

What "genuine conversation" are you referring to?

You "hope he remains genuine"?

You've got to be kidding.

I understand you~~

At the beginning of the article, your reaction said it all. When RP admitted that it looked like he would get beat, that is when your sails sunk.

And, Ron should never admit defeat until he feels he can't go on any farther. NEVER, READ MY LIPS, NEVER!

Oh, stop pretending like you can't comprehend what you read!

The first paragraph contains NO SUCH QUOTES admitting defeat. It's merely the author's own propaganda assertion that he believes that Ron Paul 'acknowledges he might not make it.'

The actual quotes are in the very next paragraph:
“The odds are right now that Romney, he pulls it off,” Mr. Paul, a Texas congressman, said in an interview here. “But he doesn’t even have a guarantee in a week. That whole thing can shift rather quickly.”

That's admitting defeat? Stop lying and promoting propaganda. NEVER, READ MY LIPS, NEVER be a lying propaganda promoter!

It's all good

My impression of the article was how intelligent the paul camp is. Art of War type concepts.

You ever heard the phrase...

...hope for the best, but prepare for the worst? That's exactly what he's doing, and what all of us should be doing as well.

Paul's going up against THE machine. Well outspent by and much less accepted by the establishment he's fighting. Can you honestly appraise the odds otherwise?

I say this in all kindness - nothing's changed, and we've just got to suck it up and fight like we're 20 points behind (for the obvious and NOT so obvious reasons: we are, and we can't afford to get lazy regardless). And we have to remember, this isn't just about Paul, and it isn't just about this election.

This is a movement, and Paul's just the spearhead. And if for some reason that spearhead doesn't penetrate or breaks off, then we've got to be ready to follow through and give this system THE SHAFT!

We'll go on, and at the very least we should aim to change the game - we keep working for Paul, but ultimately it's up to all of us to carry on, get involved, and change things as we can from the ground-up. The liberty movement is the future, and the current system and thought processes are slowly dying away - but they won't go without a fight and weight is still on their side at the moment.

No long faces!

keep your chin up. Everything

keep your chin up. Everything in that article has been mentioned by Dr. Paul before. Of course he's in it to win it...but we all know this is an uphill battle.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

No, sorry, but it was not ever "mentioned by Dr. Paul"

that he "may not make it" or that he has a "backup plan."

That's the media's own words.

Honestly, the way people feed into the propaganda....

I don't see any bad comments

I don't see any bad comments here. The article states he's in it to win it. However, it's also showing that if he doesn't win it, it won't just end. Win-win.

Thanks for actually reading the article

It's just the usual spin putting words in Ron Paul's mouth that he never said. I wish people would read first before reacting -- especially with such a NEGATIVE title as this one. Hello? Change the title?

Maybe Ron is trying to throw them off,

so they won't focus on him so much. I don't like, however, how they keep spelling out their stategy for delegate gathering. You can bet he's teaching Mitt a few things. Some things are better left quiet.

alan laney

Please read my comments below

Ron did not make any such comments in that article. So there's no need to explain or make "excuses."

Does anyone know how to read any more? Geesh.

Did you even read the article?

NOWHERE does it say that Ron Paul "acknowledges he may not make it." That's the Times' own fictional wording in their first paragraph of "writing."

NOWHERE throughout the entire article does it have a quote by Ron Paul saying that getting delegates is his "backup plan."

That's the Times putting words in his mouth, as usual.
They're not quoting *him*, they're quoting their own propaganda!

Please read the article before having a knee-jerk reaction to it. It's almost like you believe the mainstream media's words before checking to see the source!

Really..reread it. Benton

Really..reread it. Benton said we have a "path to victory". All I heard was that Ron wants to win, and knows he might not..

Thank you !

People not reading before they react and turn against RP makes me want to SCREAM. Talk about uninformed knee-jerk reactions.

Instead of reading and realizing it's not even true, they try to think up an excuse for it.

Stop blaming RP for lies the media tells about him

and making excuses for believing propaganda!
We all should know better by now.

Now please read the article

and then change the title of "I want to scream when Ron makes comments like these in the NY Times!"

to: "I want to scream when the NY Times makes comments like these that Ron Paul did not say!"

Stay in for the long haul

Odds are that Romney will win this time around. We need folks working hard every day to change those odds.

But, in the event that Romney does come away the victor, we need to be in a position to change the GOP conversation. Think of this as laying the groundwork for Rand Paul 2016. If Ron just happens to win now, that's even better.

please note

they had a nice long interview with paul and they posted the worst thing they could possible post. And in the end It may have added up to a whole paragraph. I mean most of this "interview" they are reporting is the new york times saying he is going to get second, and a couple sentices of paul talking about how he plans to get the maximum number of deligates and then new york times explaining that this is paul giving up. Seriously the new york times wants oboma vs oboma... er mitt romney. So yeah they will write two or three pages about a paragraphe of an interview to make him look like number two.

I agree...

... but Dr. Paul is heading for the White House. "It is written in the stars," so to speak.

Nobody who had to endure so much negative press could possibly have gotten this far if it wasn't for the fact that his campaign is an irresistible force.

It is truly an incredible campaign with a powerful message backed by an incorruptible candidate.

Paul wins the White House. Guaranteed!

Plano TX

You agree with what?

That you want to scream? Ron Paul didn't make either of those comments! That's the NY Times putting words in his mouth. Nowhere are there any such quotes in the article.

In fact, it's pretty close to slander, making him sound like he's not sure he can win. Get it?