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Delegates In California? I'm really confused.

Hello,

I wanted to become a Delegate here In Cali but I have NO information on how to go about it. I wonder how ANYBODY figures this stuff out. It's almost made NOT to work, like you have to be in a special club just to know this.

Anyway...if anyone has info where I go, who to call, etc. it would be appreciated.

I'm a registered Independent for 18 years. I know that California just changed it's primary rules recently and we're a "Semi Open" Primary State.

So how do I do this?



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I'm a California Delegate

I am a frequent California delegate to the Libertarian National Committee (it's easy to become one, as we tend to welcome anyone willing to take the pledge).

One thing you have to know is that the publicly-funded popularity poll we call a "primary" is not binding on the private parties (GOP, Democrat, LP, or any other), unless their members make a rule to bind themselves to it.

The CA LP won the case in court making the CA law void, when it was passed to try and make our members and delegates take direction from strangers who registered to vote in our party (being a registered voter does not make you an automatic party member). In this case, our right to our speech (nominating/endorsing) and our association (who to allow to participate) was upheld by the court under the First Amendment.

This is why I keep saying that you must become a delegate if you want to make the rules. I don't know what the GOP of CA's bylaws say, but they don't have to go with the popular vote unless they want to.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Sign up with the campaign

They will pick the delegates based the results of the primary in California sign up at http://www.ronpaul2012.com/delegate. California is not an open primary please register Republican so that you can vote in the primary for Paul.

Wikipedia says it's a "Semi-Open" Primary

The rules have been changed over recent years here in Cali.

Seems most places say it's 'closed'. Why I'm listening to Wikipedia, seemed like it would be accurate.

I guess I really DO have to register Republican?

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Bylaws

I believe that the bylaws of the Democrats may allow unafiliated voters to vote in their primary, but I'm not sure. What tends to happen is that if there is a dominant party that is big enough, the members will vote to allow others to participate.

Those parties that have to worry about take-overs because they are smaller, have to stop others from voting in their process, either in the bylaws of the party or on the ballots. This could account for the description of "Semi-."

The Libertarians in CA don't want tax-payers to waste money conducting a primary since we ignore the results, anyway, and we don't allow anyone to select our nominees other than members who have taken the pledge. This is in order to make sure the candidates are in accordance with our Statement of Principles and our values.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Just got this email from the RP camp..

Hello,

Thank you for filling out our delegate survey.

Every state has a different process for selecting delegates. You may have to gather signatures, pay a fee, or work your way through a caucus/convention process.

If you do not hear from us right away please by patient as we move from state to state. We are prioritizing our time based upon state deadlines. As your deadline approaches we will reach out to you and explain the process.

Thank you for your support!

For Liberty,

Josh Pearson
Delegate Operations Coordinator

I'll look further into it or see if they contact me through other means soon.

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That...

Sounds suspiciously like what I told you below... ;)

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

How come this isn't a direct link on ronpaul2012.com?

I can't find this part of the site.

Why is this link like this? Shouldn't RP be promoting this? It seems like this link is sent out by only people in the know, wth?

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Hijacking

They probably don't want something so public it would be easily hijacked.

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That's exactly why...

The number of delegates needed is so few compared to the number of activists needed, it is considered a bit of an honor for those who have worked hard and stayed committed which also insures that the person isn't just in it to screw with the results in the end.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Okay, I signed up

and got the same message.

I was a district delegate last time. Got sick so couldn't be there for state delegate selection. And also was precinct secretary in 2008 and 2010. So I am sure I will have no problem being a delegate again.

My God's not dead; he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside roaring like a lion.

You have to want it.

We don't need a ton of delegates. This is something that is easily coordinated at the state level.

We don't need people signing up to be delegates in a willy-nilly fashion. You have to buy a ticket to Orlando if you get elected as a delegate.

Life, Liberty... and the Pursuit of Happiness.

wolfe's picture

Read my statement below...

It's because it is not a free for all process. In order to even be considered, you have to have "proven" yourself. And we should all be thankful of that.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Thanks GCN3030

I just filled out the Delegate form there and was going to post the link but you beat me to it.

Appreciate the help.

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Good Advice

There are two pieces of good advice in this post. Thanks!!

Life, Liberty... and the Pursuit of Happiness.

delegate in cal

Don't quote me, but I think the campaign actually picks them and they are split up by the vote. There is a really good source for this info on another Ron Paul website. Anybody?

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Contact your local meetup.

They will have all of the information available for becoming a more active part of the process.

San Diego has an awesome meetup group but wherever you are, I'm sure they have a decent one.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

No Offense But...

Why should I have to contact my local Meetup to get this info?

Isn't Daily Paul as good of a resource?

I mean, if nobody on here can tell me...WHO CAN?

That's the problem. There is no database that tells anyone HOW. It's probably the most important issue of the campaign as far as getting votes and there are maybe hundreds of thousands like me still in the dark.

The fact you had to say "contact your local Meetup" means there is an obvious problem with this info getting out.

Respectfully.

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Wrong.

We are many, from many locations, with many different views on what effective activism is. And none of us are experts even on our own locale. The process and rules for every state are considerably different.

It is the responsibility of the LOCAL organizers to understand the ins and outs of the LOCAL processes.

Your local meetup is HOW you do it. For one thing, if you go through the process, you will need to be nominated and elected. Guess what? You will need that meetup group to vote for you.

Furthermore, I don't believe I have EVER heard an RP supporter get weird about participating in their meetup, especially if they are willing to go so far as to be a delegate.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Why do you sound angry?

"Get Weird"??

Huh? I don't have a problem with joining a RP Meetup, what are you talking about?

My point was that there should be an easier answer for EACH State/Locale about the Delegate process and a database online. I was asking if there was one. Is that 'weird'?

Are you angry?

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No.

Not sure why you think that.

Two big reasons to go through your meetup are:

1) To make sure you really are who you say you are. (Not REALLY supporting another candidate).

2) To find out how to become a non-RP delegate for those so inclined.

I actually did not go so far as to become a delegate last time (in Florida and so their were many reasons why it wouldn't have helped). But my meetup was the one that pushed my name out there and I was contacted to do just that.

They also have great influence on becomes precinct captains, etc. There has to be some official activist history to be trusted as a delegate. So it just seemed odd that you wanted to avoid all activism, and go straight to being a delegate.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Well actually I DID

just want to become a Delegate.

I had no clue being 'active' or involved with a group was part of it, but I'm willing to do it.

I think there should be better info on HOW to get there though. As far as numbers to call State by State, precincts, contacts, etc.

I looked on my local Meetup and not one was about Delegates or actually speaking about the process. So how would I as a newcomer to the whole delegate issue, know to connect with them for Delegate related stuff?

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You don't...

They pick you, basically.

Get involved. Hand out flyers at gun shows. Support the group and the cause. Once you have proven to be sane, intelligent, and committed, they will approach you, if they need someone for the spot.

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