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The Santorum Zone

Originally published January 21, 2012

In 2003, a Heavyweight boxer got a tattoo that covered half of his face. America's collective reaction was, "yeah, that sounds about right." After all, it was Mike Tyson and we had long since passed the point of being surprised by anything he did or said. We were in what one sports columnist jokingly referred to as The Tyson Zone.

In 2012, one Presidential candidate is challenging that designation.

In a nutshell, The Tyson Zone is a special place for the rarest celebrity who is so insane, so unpredictable, that two things happen. First, their complete unpredictability becomes predictable. In other words, you would have been much more surprised to learn that Mike Tyson thought of getting a giant face tattoo and then reconsidered. Second, the real stories about the celebrity are so ridiculous that any crazy story you hear about them is instantly believable - and the crazier it is, the more believable.

Mike Tyson set the standard for lunacy. His quotes are legendary. In fact, there is a great YouTube song that is nothing more than a collection of his most outrageous comments put to a few acoustic guitar chords.

Side note 1: If you up-vote this blog for any reason, it will be for that song link.

Side note 2: Warning, foul language! (It's Mike Tyson's actual quotes, after all.)

Iron Mike Has Met His Match

The more I learn about Rick Santorum, I feel the need to reconsider the standard Mike Tyson has set for sheer insanity. Has the bar been raised (or lowered, depending on your perspective)? Has Santorum reached a new level of crazy that makes Mike Tyson seem tame and conventional by comparison?

To make my point, below are five stories about Rick Santorum.

One of these stories is a complete fabrication that I made up this afternoon. First, try to determine (if you don't already know) which story is false. After the answer is revealed, ask yourself, "if I found out that story was true, would I be the least bit surprised?"

5 Crazy Rick Santorum Stories That May Or May Not Be True

1. Santorum once denied the existence of Palestinians stating, "All the people who live in the West Bank are Israelis. There are no Palestinians. This is Israeli land."

2. In a 2006 Senatorial campaign speech in Philadelphia, Santorum claimed that one of the Founding Fathers was a descendant of Judas Iscariot, implying that there was a traitor at the Constitutional Convention.

3. Following the death of his infant son in 1996, Santorum brought the child back to his home to spend the night so that his other children would know the child had been real.

4. He compared same sex marriage legislation to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. "This is an issue just like 9-11. We didn’t decide we wanted to fight the war on terrorism because we wanted to. It was brought to us," Santorum declared, speaking of Massachusetts gay marriage law.

5. Santorum is well known for his hardline opposition to abortion, for any reason, but did you know that his wife had an affair with an abortion doctor? Not only that, he was 40 years her senior, and.. get this... had delivered her when she was born.

(Scroll to the bottom for the answer)

Well if it's going to be that kind of party...

Rick Santorum's rise to semi-stardom in this Republican campaign reveals some ugly truths about politics in 2012 America. How can a man this clearly and clinically insane rise to the very near top of American political power? Although Ricky has given me more laughs in the past six weeks than any politician in my lifetime...

Side note 1: In the aforementioned list of Santorum's 5 crazy stories, we are just scratching the surface. It really does seem to be a never ending stream of nonsense and madness, like his recent claim that an 18th century dictionary gave him the correct interpretation of the term "happiness" as meant by the Founding Fathers. (True!)

Side note 2: And we haven't even considered his horrible record of corruption, which is among the worst in recent Congressional history.

...I do have to pause and consider that between Rick and The Newt, the present Political Establishment has offered up the most insane (Rick) and possibly the most evil (The Newt) human beings in America as two totally reasonable and electable choices for President of the United States.

Apparently, this is the best they can do.

But what really marvels me, to the point of incredulity, is that Americans actually take the time out of their day to vote and campaign for these sociopaths. That boggles my mind.

So this blog is more about questions than answers. I can't explain why Americans turn out every two or four years to vote for one loser after another. I can't explain why this year Americans are taking time to vote and campaign for Rick and The Newt, two of the most horrible human beings I have ever had the displeasure of learning about. Perhaps it's just a childlike innocence in their belief about government. Maybe it is more sinister, and reflects deeply held fears that motivate them to elect those who will harshly rule over their neighbors.

I'd like to hear what you think motivates people to vote for the worst among us to be our rulers. And while you are at it, share any Santorum stories you know - true... or false. Let us try to figure it out, as we enter "The Santorum Zone."

Answer to Santorum Zone quiz above: 2. is false. (As far as I know. In fact, even though I completely made that up, there is a 95% chance that he actually said that.)

David In Liberty

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Rick Aborts the Constitution and the Free Will of the People

Rick is no different than the queenstream media who ignores Ron Paul. Rick doesn't acknowledge Ron Paul when discussing the remaining presidential candidates.

Now if Rick would stop aborting Ron Paul from the conversation, as though he doesn't exist as one of the Republican Candidates. He only refers to Wall Street R-money and 33rd Degree Free Masonic Newt World Order in the dialogue. Rick aborts all principles and the U.S. constitution along with the MILLIONS of Ron Paul supporters every time he aborts Ron Paul from the conversation. Shame on you, Rick.
Ron Paul, 2012!

We should all vote this post

We should all vote this post down. It's truly juvenile. I start to think about dishonest intentions of the poster of this tread.
I just voted it down, because of number 3. It's horribly discusting.
I have been for Ron Paul since 2007. I have been a Daily Paul member for over 4 yrs now. I haven't seen a tread as much discusting like this one. Get rid of this tread folks.

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But I've read it from a reputable source...

And there's more regarding some actions - and yes, in his personal life - decisions have been made by him and his wife - and THEY have the right. On the other hand, he claims to entirely oppose same in every situation, yet he and his wife have pursued that path!? HIS rules only apply to other people...and HE as the purveyor of the truth and the light will ORDER that WE conduct our lives as he Dictates! Seems he absolutely believe his rules don't apply to him; I believe that is called radical hypocrisy when a person claims that as a DOCTRINE in his candidacy.

Susie 4 Liberty

By the way, it's worse than this

Because Santorum has close ties to Sandusky, that pedophile from Pennsylvannia. Santorum awarded him with a special Angel award, despite the fact that it was revealed that Sandusky had molested 5 children (the real number is now known far higher). He was caught raping a child in the shower in the Penn State lockeroom. It's worse than you think.

Don't try an impose your views on others.

You may not think so but, I think Santorum is creepy in every way including #3.

"I'd like to hear what you think..."

David Sez: "I'd like to hear what you think motivates people to vote for the worst among us to be our rulers."

Simple. The scum floats to the top.

Freedom is my Worship Word!

Rulers?

The president isn't supposed to be our ruler. We are supposed to rule.

Revitalize the constitutional state militia structure and We will rule as the founders intended. No King!

People that support the

People that support the establishment candidates are generally people who blindly (faithfully) march to the orders that they are given (consciously and sub-consciously). The belief systems they operate with place value upon direction dictated by outside influence. In other words they subject themselves to religious authority, government authority, and media propaganda while feeling it is their righteous duty to help accomplish the authoritarians' agenda. These human herds are not aware of their enslavement. They long for a dominating force of rule to guide their lives. Fear controls their behavior. They have not yet perceived their sovereign authority over their own lives.

Perfectly worded

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Santorum still 24 names short in Indiana

I just watched local Indy news, State Sen. Mike Delph, said the problem may have been caused by inexperienced petition circulators. Bla Bla Bla...

They are trying to overturn 49 names wrongly eliminated.

(probably some of the SC dead voters recycled)

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30410875/detail.html

Do we have proof for #5?

That would be pretty significant if you ask me. But I don't think the Santorum Zone necessarily out does the Gingrich Zone. Even if we're just talking about policy, the man openly promotes colonizing the moon in a presidential debate in the middle of the second great depression.

Sanctity of All Human Life

You are forgetting Rick's most insane comparative comments. Not a direct quote but he believes in the "sanctity of all human life" but yet he also believes that we should be murdering innocent nuclear scientists, going to war with Iran which will result in the death of millions of innocent people. You can't have it both ways, Rick. Rick is the poster boy for hypocrisy.

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And he plays to the Religious Right re a certain issue

And I have utter disrespect for someone who has FACED a terrible nightmare dilemma and had the right to 'handle it' - but would deny same to other people. HE'S different; HE'S special, you know. I do not believe that man has integrity in his little finger...and cannot be trusted...and would be a tyrant if given half a chance. Period.

Susie 4 Liberty

Please change your #3

Really makes you sound like an ignorant jerkoff. Im offended by what you wrote as much as Im offended by Santorum. Other people are gonna read this and your gonna make us all look bad. Just change #3.

I worked in a labor and delivery ward for a whole year in school. Ive seen dead 24week old fetus's. Its really traumatizing to the parents sometimes.. and taking the little guy or little gal home is not weird at all.

Change that. Seriously. Im pissed

http://www.jbs.org/
Semper Fortis

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Seriously, G Class State...

I believe you might be more so if you had the information re some other issues that are 'somewhat' related to this. I do not believe it is the place to share what I've read - from a reputabe source... But I think you'd understand/agree that he is a hypocrite...

Going to bed. Good night, All...

Susie 4 Liberty

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Context

I've seen creatures of the State celebrate - literally cheer and jump for joy - while watching innocent people they've never met get blown to oblivion, simply because they were labeled "bad guys."

Rick Santorum is one of those creatures. He is urging the slaughter of innocent people, and doing so in order to garner political power. He deserves no moral pity and will get none from me.

#3 stays.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

I didnt say remove. I said change.

I understand that what you just said above was the point you were trying to make. And its a valid point [pretending to value life of the unborn, yet not caring when a bomb blows up a family of 5 into bits and pieces].

But what you wrote literally says that santorum is crazy because he brought his dead baby home with him to let his kids know it was real. Which is actually pretty normal and common.. and tragic.

So.. as of right know im not sure the point you were trying to make. If it was the first one, its a really valid point and deserves to be written out more clearly and decisively. If it was the second.. well then Im disappointed in you as a human being.

http://www.jbs.org/
Semper Fortis

Ad hominem attacks are pathetic

There are plenty of policy or political reasons to vote against Santorum. Attacking him as clinically insane just makes you look juvenile and, in the case of his stillborn son, inhuman.

Would Dr. Paul approve?

Low

This post does more harm than good to our campaign. It's a low standard for politics. Please close it or delete it. Dr. Paul would not endorse something like this.

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What would Murray Rothbard do?

As much as I love the good doctor, I don't seek his approval for anything I write. FWIW, George Carlin or H.L. Mencken might have approved. Does that make you feel better?

If I want to take apart Santorum's incredibly superficial talking points of moral majoritarianism and hysterical fear mongering (yawn), I'll do so. I've done so on many occasions.

Have you heard Rothbard's lecture "Keynes the Man"? You should check it out on YouTube. After thoroughly trashing Keynes' positions for years, he dedicated one great lecture to an attack on Keynes himself.

At the end, Murray said he was aware that some people think he just engages in ad hominem. He replied by saying that's not true since he always discredits their positions first and then engages in ad hominem.

Stick around. I'll get back to fighting neoconservative and evangelical pseudo-intellectualism soon enough.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

Sociopaths... All of them

All the candidates aside from Ron Paul are indeed sociopaths, and among those that know what signs to look for, I seriously doubt there would be any dispute. It creeps me out just imagining what level of sick, inhumane insanity is possible if one of these men recieves the power of the presidency. (shudder) Furthermore, I become quite disallusioned when watching a large portion of my fellow citizens expend time and energy to help these men achieve their dreams of power and grandeur.

I would also add...

The reason that Ron Paul SEEMS so different than the others (aside from his positions) is that he IS different. Politicians are members of the 1%... that is the 1% of the population that are sociopaths. The reason so many politicians are sociopaths is because positions of power appeal particularly to this personality type. This is why they can lie and manipulate large groups of people without pause or remorse, with a giant smile on their face. You will notice that Dr. Paul acts very differently in this respect.

SANTORUM IS GREAT FOR ONE THING

Making sure everyone does exactly what he wants and nothing else... He looks at it as if its his duty to ensure totalitarian control... After all he would say (most likely) its christian... psycho....

zealots?

America has its share of religious extremist.
They are bat-shit fucking crazy... and they found their poster child in frothy butt.

Case in point, "homosexuality is [like beastiality]"

hahahaha WTF!

Seriously, they are actually buying this Gog/Magog armageddon, rapture crap and are SELFISHLY MORE than willing to let the world burn on the hope that it will save their pathetic lives without them having to work for it...

actually sounds like spiritual welfare.

They are liberals in disguise!

estanislao

I leave it

I disagree with your approach. I personally don't think this helps advance Dr. Paul's campaign. Calling a candidate crazy and then calling the candidate's supporters crazy is just plain immature and counterproductive.

Attack the positions, not the

Attack the positions, not the man.

Bringing up the situation with the infant son is particularly disrespectful. I also disagree with this approach. Leave it to the pundits.

You have a right to disagree...

I don't think we have pointed out how crazy Santorum is enough. If we had he would not have won four states.

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THIS

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

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Perhaps the difference is

that I don't view politics as some sort of religious ritual where we all have to act pious and civilized. Especially in the case of Santorum, we are talking about an advanced auction of stolen goods, right? Yet I am supposed to act as though this process deserves only high minded commentary? I don't think so. I don't work for the mainstream media and I don't have to pretend to an authority I don't possess.

It's a long election season. I will at least try to enjoy it. Liberty - real liberty - does not come from one Presidential contest.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

@David

I want to thank you for your work on behalf of liberty. I understand that this is a real fight. I also remember how effective George W. Bush was when he started the whisper campaign against McCain resulting in his big win in South Carolina. This sort of thing can work for the right candidate. Bush's surrogates calling McCain crazy fit Bush's bully persona. I don't believe name calling fits Dr. Paul's message and persona very well.

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It is subversive

And that's the point. That it worked for the War Criminal (can I name-call him, or do I have to be polite there, too) is irrelevant and argumentation by association. Name calling everyone on a day-to-day basis is not a good idea, but let's not go overboard. Ridiculing people in authority has a rich tradition that goes back way before you and I were born.

Here, I'll be nice, using an old Simpson's line,

"Rick Santorum is a practical man with many.... well thought out ideas.. that will ensure this country's success for generations to come.

Oh, and his personal hygiene is beyond reproach."

I feel better already.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

You are making a case for Santorum

1. I don't care. But the truth is that he is right. There was no Palestinian state where Israel is now.

2. Obviously false.

3.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You have been brainwashed by our ever degenerating society to think that this was wrong.

4. He is right again.

5. Paul and I are also against abortion. And the fact that Santorum was able to forgive his wife for her infidelity is an apparent testament to he compassion.

You are the kind of supporter who looses votes for Dr Paul. Paul is not running for the Democrat nomination in case you haven't noticed.

There was no Israel either.

1. Sorry. Israel and Palestine were both created in this geographical region. So, what is the point?

2. It sounds like something this crazy man would say.

3. My baby brother died when I was a young child and I would have been mortified if my parents did this. No brainwashing, I lived through the circumstance and my parents treated death with dignity.

4. As someone who supports the LGBT community you are as evil as Frothy if you believe that this is true.

5. Learn how to read. No one claims that Frothy's wife had an affair while she was married. The doctor was her premarital lover. It is just plain old hypocrisy that she is now pro life.

Do not put your twisted point of view on all posters here. It appears to me that any defender of crazy Santorum does not get Dr. Paul or this movement. It is about liberty and that is something Santorum knows little about. It is people like you who lose votes for Dr. Paul, but more than that are you just a troll?

Hold on while

I shed a tear for your hurt feelings.

1. So you think we should give Texas back to Mexico? No! They have no claim to it.

2. No it doesn't. It is totally ridiculous.

3. Brainwashed. Historically it is common and normal to have a home viewing. You would only be freaked because you are brainwashed.

4. Support what you want. I don't give a crap about you're deviant brainwashed lifestyle Mr. Santorum butt.

5. Whether it was before or during their marriage doesn't matter.

Now go cry to someone else Obama lover.

Regardless of how you feel

Regardless of how you feel about the "homosexual lifestyle" you honestly think it is appropriate to compare legalization of gay marriage to 9/11? And while there is no Palestinian state, that doesn't mean there are no Palestinians.

My feelings are fine....

I will not dignify your ignorant, rebuttal other that to say that you are the one who is brainwashed and lacking a coherent concept of liberty when you defend the antithesis of liberty. Maybe we can find an appropriate definition for you. Frothy is a disgrace to this country and I am sure the world is laughing at our folly. By the way, I am a woman.

froth vs obama

and I actively campaign for Obama while voting common sense.

Obama is only into oppression, destruction and enslaving. Frothy really thinks he can bring the armageddon.

And that, my friends, is America's best a normal election cycle would offer us.

Some items are harder to condemn

I am nowhere near making the leap to Santorum, but there is more than a grain of truth to what @anothernobody said.

It is hard to condemn Santorum’s actions listed in item 3. I have three children (and my wife counts five, because of two miscarriages). I understand that parents may not meet the rationality standards of most when they lose their children. Honestly, I can really empathize even if I would not do that particular thing that he did.

Point 4 is a place where I agree with Paul only insofar as it is a state issue (under Article 1 § 8). I don’t agree with liberalization of marriage. (And please realize that I am not trying to start anything, but pointing out that Ron Paul’s big tent includes people that may have different views on points like this.

Likewise on point 5, I also agree on the issue of abortion with Dr. Paul (and ostensibly with Rick Santorum). Dr. Paul—don’t forget—has a wide appeal among a loosely-knit group of ‘libertarians’: . Many Paul supporters are staunchly pro-life. So, strictly speaking this is not necessarily a detractor for the views that Santorum (at least presently) espouses.

Many strong cases could be made against Santorum, but, for me, many of these are not them.

Thank you

My comments are not an endorsement of Santorum either. I do not want his lordship any more than Obama's.

You have got to be kidding me ...

What are you doing here. Go vote for him then.

Why are you encouraging

a vote against Paul TROLL?!!

This is great!

I think we can find some insight from anothernobody as to why people would vote for a sociopath.

Please, talk some more.

Exactly

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LOL

1. Like Santorum, you must believe that Statehood defines human existence. Therefore, there were no Cherokee Indians either, since they were not a recognized State during the American expansion of the 19th century.
2. Good job. You get a star.
3. Reading comprehension. I didn't say it was wrong. I said it's a crazy story.
4. Yes, because those crazy gay couples are waging jihad on us.
5. Didn't say otherwise. I said it's a crazy story.

You are the kind of supporter who looses votes for Dr Paul. Paul is not running for the Democrat nomination in case you haven't noticed.

Don't get all sanctimonious on me. I've been blogging and arguing for Ron Paul for 4 years and have opened the door to liberty for more people than I ever thought possible.

But I did that because I don't write for you. I write for what I believe. If you disagree, so be it, but get off your high horse. I'm not impressed.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

Hey I'm telling you

that you cannot win the party by bashing the party line. Championing the gay cause will win you zero votes. Championing the "Palestinian" cause will win you zero votes. Harping on the mans dead baby will win you zero votes. This is the Republican party. What you have written sounds like a Democrat hit piece and will win zero conservative votes.

And I don't even own a horse.

Republican?

Dr. Paul is stuck in a two party system and both parties are controlled by the same corporate interest. Most of us here reject the Republicans as much as the Democrats. In case you have not noticed we are changing the Republican Party to adhere to our more Constitutional views. You are prehistoric if you believe that old war mongers and homophobic zealots have a place in the new Republican Party. Dr. Paul has harnessed the young blood and things are a changing. Go crawl back up Frothy's ass and stop spreading your support for his loony ideas here.

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The Party Line is the problem

Although I think Dr. Paul can win, and I want to see him get as many votes as possible, I don't spend a great deal of time worrying about vote totals. When America changes, the votes will come.

If Dr. Paul is not getting enough votes it is because Americans are not changing fast enough. That is what the grassroots campaign is all about. It should never be just to get votes, because if it is then even if Dr. Paul wins Americans will be unhappy with liberty and his Presidency.

I am not a supporter of either the Republican or Democrat Party Lines. I think Party loyalty is antithetical to liberty. I will certainly not bow or appease evangelicals, neocons, or any other Conservatives emershed in Etatism. And anyone who knows me can attest that I don't bow to Progressives or their masters, either.

David in Liberty

David Burns
Simi Valley, CA

My comment was directed at...

anothernobody, not David.

Well I think

we have a different view on our prospects here. I see Paul as unique, politically speaking, and as a last chance grasp at saving our failing country. You seem to see this as a movement that goes beyond Paul. I like the movement idea but every movement must have a leader.

If this "movement" goes ahead without Paul then my view wont matter but if I am right then we need to focus on the party that Paul is running in now. We cannot win this party by pointing out what are perceived to be liberal leanings of Dr Paul. The GOP doesn't want a centrist they want a rightist.

Perhaps you don't quite appreciate the hate that the conservative right has towards Obama and his socialist agenda. That is the reality of it.

Neither do I bow to establishment lines.

THe GOP can not win on its own...

Roughly there are about 36% of voters who call themselves Republicans. That is not enough to win an election against Obama. Santorum is the least electable because he personifies all that is despised in the Republican Party. Frothy may win in states that are populated by far right religious nuts who are anti gay and anti sex, except for procreation, but that won't fly in the big city. What you don't get is that as much we hate Obama and his corporate fascism, we hate the war mongering bigots like Santorum equally. I see a Santorum, Newt, or Romney presidency as equally repulsive as an Obama presidency. What the church do gooders do not understand is that creepy Santorum will never win a general election. A vote for him is a wasted vote. If you hate Obama you damn well better vote for Dr. Paul who appeals to Independents and anti war Democrats. Dr. Paul will have a coalition that can win. Rather than standing behind the man who can win, the Republican Party has done everything in its power to keep Dr. Paul from winning. Do you really think we have two parties, or is it two fake parties controlled by the same interest? You are playing into the hands of the despots who want four more years of their groomed puppet Obama with a vote for anyone but Dr. Paul.