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How did you manage to avoid becoming brainwashable when so few do?

I grew up staring at the tv for hours on end, but I still turned out to be quite the skeptic and critical thinker. I've analyzed my childhood trying to pinpoint events that have caused me to become the person I am, but I'm really not sure. We all grow up basically watching the same movies, eating the same cereal. Is there anything in particular that you guys attribute your independent thinking to?

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I would submit that your assessment of the unbrainwashable...

is vastly underestimated.

By virtue of the number of votes you have I would say you have no idea of what awaits you in TRUE AMERiCA!

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Do you remember WHEN you first became...

conscious of linear time, rather than short bursts of environmental impressions? I do; I was around nine. I suddenly realized I knew a hell of a lot more than that sorry collection of yokels who made up the majority of my family could have provided me. Moreover, I had two extremely intelligent sisters who were interested in "weird stuff" and the gaps they unconsciously revealed by the "weird stuff" did not neatly fit into the "conventional wisdom" of society at large. I started trying to "connect the dots" and rejected any simple answer which could not explain all the available facts. It is not simply enough to "question authority": one must question ANY belief system which cannot logically tie together all the available facts. I studied both science AND religion; and discovered, to my astonishment, many ancient religions throughout the world not only had common stories, they had scientifically possible explanations. I became almost obsessed with science fiction, particularly parallel universes and time travel. When I finally sifted things "the wheat from the chaff," I realized Einstein, with the simple equation E=MC2 had, unwittingly provided answers that both met the criteria of satisfying both science AND religion. If one comes to realize matter is nothing more than "compressed energy," then "Let their be light" satisfies both science AND religion. That is when I also found out my "pop culture" understanding of quantum physics also gibed with ancient Hindu, Buddhist and the Hebrew Khaballah. "You are nothing more than a thought in the mind of God" is a "pop culture" summary of Khaballah. What about the "pop culture" explanation of quantum physics; that being, ALL possibilities exist, however only ONE becomes reality, based upon the OBSERVER. This also gibed the Buddha's "Lotus Sutra," which, simply stated is that EVERYTHING goes through the stages of "birth," "maturation," "old age," "sickness and death," then "Ku," which is defined as "neither existence nor non-existence" (once again, "the infinite possibilities or, as Judeo-Christians call it, "the manifest and non-manifest." Voila! Science and religion in complete, harmonious agreement. You cannot be brainwashed if you "question everything" and "learn to connect the dots".

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
Socrates

P.S. While Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all laughingly called "monotheistic," the Old Testament has over 30 different Hebrew "names" for God. These names are simply different characteristics for the same entity and gibe very nicely with both polytheistic and pantheistic religions.

I never grew out of my "why" phase

as a kid. I always wanted to know why. When you ask enough and get lied to enough, you find out for yourself. From that point you either become apathetic or find philosophy.

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Since I was young My Dad taught to questoin authority

My Dad was a cop, yet he hated rules, laws, taxes and authority. He told me how low and corrupt many other cops were. He said that many of them started off with good intentions but b/c they dealt with so many bad people they had come to treat everyone like a criminal and their authority had gone their heads. My Dad questioned EVERYTHING in both my life and his and he was pretty combative about it. I learned to question my teachers and learned that you could almost always argue yourself a few extra points on Tests and assignments. The teachers didn't like it that much, but they gave in.

Through Middle School and High school I enjoyed arguing with my classmates and teachers and I always went against the grain, usually arguing with the whole class. I found that most people lacked any critical thinking skills whatsoever and were not grounded in any sort of principle. Sometimes I would argue for or against things that I didn't even believe in (ridiculous things) just b/c I knew I could and that I would win to boot. It was pretty pathetic.

During this time, I never liked republicans or democrats, but always called myself a Republican. When I turned 16 I found out about the Libertarian Party and knew that I was a libertarian and had always been one. Incidentally, I was with my dad at the time and he decided he was probably a libertarian as well.

Sadly, no one knew what one was so nothing much came of it, but I continued to argue against both my Republican and Democrat friends. Then Ron Paul happened in 2007. I almost crapped myself during the first Primary debate and knew I had found my guy. I had never heard ANY libertarian on TV or in any major platform like that. The rest is history. :)

"When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as 'free enterprise.' I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and to live..." - Robert A. Taft

Everybody's ma did most of the cooking & washing.

My friends & I did most of the fishing.

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About 5 years ago I got rid of broadcast and cable TV.

I also cut out all talk radio. I pretty much went on a media fast. I just figured I was wasting too much time on it. As time went by, I would catch glimpses of televisions shows, commercials and the news at other peoples houses. I couldn't put my finger on it but programs I used to watch regularly, especially news programs, felt off. Something didn't resolve about them in my subconscious.

Then SOPA and PIPA happened. My line of work relied heavily on the Internet remaining open and free. I was surprised that this freedom crushing legislation might actually pass. I began to investigate deeper and began to run across other bits of info that made my skin crawl. I didn't know why I hadn't seen a lot of this stuff before as much of it had been going on for quite some time. I thought that I had been fairly well informed back when I spent much of my free time watching cable and network news. Then CISPA and the NDAA happened. I began digging even deeper and realized that I had spent most of my life being completely oblivious to great winds of change that had been swirling around for decades if not centuries. I was fully awake and I was not happy. That kookie guy Ron Paul who wanted to legalize pot was all of a sudden my hero and I had become an ideological libertarian. Something I thought would never happen as I was a fairly strong social conservative up until that point.

If I hadn't turned off the TV, then I truly don't believe that I would have been able to think for myself when information came along that contradicted my view of the world. I would have said something to the effect of "theres got to be more info that they are keeping secret for my safety that somehow makes this seemingly awful thing actually good." I would have then stopped digging and went right back to sleep.

Cutting out the constant MSM background noise was my first step towards waking up.

Dumb luck

Plus, I was born a "problem" child before psychotropic drugs were introduced.

my facebook

During the GOP primaries Facebook was co-sponsoring CISPA and I had done as much to make aware of this issue on facebook. I remember SOPA/PIPA bill going Viral I couldn't understand why this wasn't, but furthermore 1000 of my "friends" were able to filter out what news feeds they were interested in.

I'm not one to shove topics down people's throats but the Fact is Internet Freedom is a VERY Important issue whether you are into Politics or not. This was my epiphany that something was very wrong.

Alas, my breakthrough was when I finally deleted my Facebook account. This was the beginning of my transition into truly waking up. I could no longer spend Time trying to socialize with people who really didn't add any Value to my life. No longer could I waste precious time playing meaningless games, or express my interest's with the "like" button.

With facebook out of the way I was able to utilize the Internet for its true purpose; Information.

I am NOT suggesting anyone delete their Facebook if they do find REAL Value in it. But I will suggest to limit your time on it for at least 60 days. A transformation is guaranteed when you see who your true friends really are, the people close to you who actually want to hang out. Hell I've also been hooking up with more Women as I actually GO OUT now and socialize with them oppose to Facebook...as a matter of fact, there is a jaw dropping stunner behind me as I'm typing this. ;)

His name is Edward Snowden

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My parents worked very long hours while

my sister and I were growing up. We had certain rules such as homework must be completed, House cleaned and dinner fixed (our dishes cleaned and put up) before our parents came home from work. Our mother usually worked until 11-12 each night. Dad did the shiftwork thing.

The beauty of this was my sister and I learned to cook, clean and fend for ourselves starting at 6 years old. As we grew older I ran the local woods hunting and trapping as I saw fit. Luckily spent every weekend with my father or uncle either hunting or fishing here in the bayous. It was a great childhood and made my sister and I very independent.

The one low point was jail at 14. Will not go into details but that gave me a healthy disrespect for cops. Later in life my dad became a deputy through necessity. He convinced me I was correct in my beliefs.

As an offshoot to this, I taught my step-children to be very independent and good chef's to boot. Lol!

I remember my Mother driving home to us that it is the work ethic that counts. As a business owner I have to completely agree.

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

My bad behavior through

My bad behavior through childhood is what made me not be brainwashed. I questioned everything and was constantly punished for it. I graduated by the skin of my teeth.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

I was homeschooled.

After the third grade, my parents (thank God Almighty for that decision) decided to pull me out of public school and homeschool me. The curriculum we used (Classical Conversations) is conservative with libertarian leanings, but the assignments required us to provide our own opinions on topics and extra research was HIGHLY encouraged.

Turned out pretty well, and I also need to thank Thomas Woods for his Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. Real eye-opener that book was. Then I started reading the Lew Rockwell website, read some Mises Institute stuff, and that was that.

My Father's Influence

Great question - and some really terrific answers!

I grew up same as you; watching the 'Idiot's Lantern' for several hours in the evening. We only had the one, so mostly watched what ever the parents had on - and Mom let us watch cartoons on Saturday mornings. Of course, I bought in to the products advertized on commercials and hounded my parents to buy.
They'd give in from time to time, but we didn't really have a lot of 'disposable income' when I was growing up.
Dad was self employed, which in an Italian household meant you went to work with him as soon as you were able. Every Saturday afternoon, sometimes on Sunday and daily each summer starting at age eight.
The thing about Dad was his voracious appetite for learning ... and instilling that same yearning in us. Taught each of us to read at age two. The way he was taught - the 'Two Book Method'. The one you're reading and a dictionary. "No point in reading something if you do not understand what the words mean," he'd say. He took us to the public library every Friday after school, or after work in the summer months. We, (sorry; "we" was my little brother, my older sis and me) got three books each and read them throughout the week.
Any book we wanted, there was no censoring. Just as long as we read them.
He taught us to question ... everything. Except him. lol Did I mention how funny and quick witted he was? Never missed a beat and always left 'em laughing.
I always had an inkling something was amiss, but couldn't really quantify it until 'waking up' about eleven years ago.
Like many, Alex Jones was the catalyst of my initial steps into the rabbit hole.
That is also when I sold my television; haven't watched one since.

"Trust, but verify"
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."
- Ronald Reagan

I know exactly ... My

I know exactly ... My spiritual rebirth from accepting Jesus Christ's dominion over my life in the early 1990s. Since then, life has been even rougher than before salvation, but that's life with or without salvation. Before salvation, I was much more easily duped by worldly lies, selfish, and callous. The difference is divine intervention as necessary, greater compassion for people suffering injustices, the ability to see things differently from a spiritual perspective, and less gullibility. The Lord keeps the madness of the world at bay. Those individuals who pursue simply the material aspects of restoring freedom will continue to be duped... time and time again.

Confidence

I think that is the biggest thing and its not a case of physical courage but one of moral courage; if you are paying attention you can see the inconsistancies that surround us, but it takes confidence to stand up against popular opinion (or at least what they tell you is the mainstream opinion) and be objective... I got into politics after 9/11 and thats what woke me up, I was sold on Bush and that we had been attacked but when I start to see what he was saying wasnt matching the actions he was taking I started asking questions (of course the older folks would say oh kid its far too complicated, trust these men in suits they know more than you, but that wasnt good enough for me) and went looking for answers and have been digging deeper and deeper since then... Its been an awesome awakening and I have learned a lot through out the process :)

Perhaps it has something to do with the way personality forms.

If I understand it correctly, when we are born we don't see a distinction between the world and ourselves; we think the world is part of us. The process of identity formation is one of reaching an understanding that we are separate and that others are not part of us. Much can go wrong in this process, and for some, perhaps many, an independent identity is never fully formed; it can be frightening to stand on your own and it seems that the need to be accepted by others or the fear of being alone crushes independence.

It seems that as adults we fall into one of two groups. One is composed of dependent, collectivist individuals, and the other is composed of independent, self determined individuals.

It has a lot to do with the way we were parented and how that affected how we came to see and value ourselves.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

It seems that as adults we

It seems that as adults we fall into one of two groups. One is composed of dependent, collectivist individuals, and the other is composed of independent, self determined individuals.

The cradle to gravers I've met are essentially children in adult bodies. They don't want to be adults that must take care of themselves.

I was 16 years old (1973) and when I received my first paycheck

...I noticed the federal government had taken out a chunk.

I asked my dad, "Why is THIS money coming out of my little check?" "That's the income tax son" he replied.

I didn't understand it. Right then was when I came to question the motives of government.

Also, my dad was very much against the Vietnam War and I remember him bitching about it as a very young child in the early '60's.

Even back when the U.S. was only sending "advisors" over there.

I think it's a sign of intelligence to not let yourself get brainwashed.

Idiots are easily tricked. The government knows it, and that's why the Dept of Education was created.

One more thing: We never had a TV set in the house until I was 14. My parents didn't believe in it. But we rented one for the JFK killing and the moon landing.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

For as long as i can remember

For as long as i can remember i have always hated when somebody tried to force authority on me, it always made me feel like they were saying i was dumber than them and I never have liked it. I was born this way

Growing up I always got the

Growing up I always got the sense that something was not right. I listened to a lot of Underground hip hop artists like Sweatshop Union and Immortal Technique and bands like System of a Down that helped plant the seed. The biggest thing for me was when I started smoking Cannabis and would watch the news and it was like a veil was lifted and I could see that everything was an act.

From there I watched a bunch of Alex Jones stuff like the "Obama Deception" and learned a lot but go caught up in the fear mongering. I have since moved on to doing more independent research and listen to guys like Michael Tsiaron and the Freeman Perspective.

Here is a great song that really portrays the mindset you go through when waking up including the depression, loneliness and thinking you are crazy but then to come out the other end as a more spiritual and well attuned person:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWvUHeYf6WQ

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Keep thinking about this

I heard somebody make a convincing argument that weed was a natural "deprogrammer". It would sure explain the War on Drugs.

I can kinda see how, because

I can kinda see how, because people smoke weed and are told how bad it is and often are bashed for smokin it at some point in their life, but they realize it isnt even 10% as bad as we are told. That starts the "hey maybe they are lying about other things too"

Nobody escapes the programming

I think the secret is realizing that we have all been dumbed-down and propagandized and then making attempts to overcome it. I often get on people who say, "I turned out ok" because obviously very few people went through growing up in our society and turned out ok.

My dad used to

point out to me the way the TV was trying to lead me to conclusions that weren't facts. For example, he'd point out how the conclusion the news was reporting from a study wasn't necessarily the only conclusion that could come from the study. But he did the same for all of us kids and I can't say that we all turned out as skeptics, a bit more discerning than average, yes.

I think I'm just wired for very discerning thinking and I won't cooperate with hypocrisy.

Defend Liberty!

good question - my answer: courage

Every person who has ever lived has saught the truth, but the day they found it and refuse to accept it (because of fear) they stop seeking the truth from the day forward.

You can be sincerely wrong only as long as you don't come in contact with the truth, after that, you can continue being wrong, but you stop being sincere. There are a log of insincere people in this world who lack the courage to follow the truth where ever it will take them. People who found this website, found it because they were facing a choice in life, a fork in the road, and they took the path that required the greatest amount of courage... they did this not once, but many times.

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recommended reading relevant to this topic

http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicamer...

Out of the thousands of books I have read, this one is easily in the top ten.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
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I have heard many good things about this book

over the last 10 years or so. It is on my list.

This is a deep and important question

Are libertarians born or made? The jury is still out.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

I think born.

Some things I have always just 'known', and came to understand later.

Everybody is born a

Everybody is born a libertarian and then either stay libertarian or are MADE into something else later on in life