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How did you manage to avoid becoming brainwashable when so few do?

I grew up staring at the tv for hours on end, but I still turned out to be quite the skeptic and critical thinker. I've analyzed my childhood trying to pinpoint events that have caused me to become the person I am, but I'm really not sure. We all grow up basically watching the same movies, eating the same cereal. Is there anything in particular that you guys attribute your independent thinking to?



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What makes us so sure we are above brainwashing?

We are all susceptible to being conned everyday.
As an example, how many here use the phrase "giving back"? That simple phrase has been used to utterly destroy the principle of pure giving, expecting nothing in return. As Jesus said, let the left hand know not the right hand is giving. A very subtle cultural attack, indeed. Be honest. Do you use the term?

Undo what Wilson did

subtle cultural attacks are . . .

what everyone needs to watch out for--

it's a lot of work; it takes energy and time--

and thought.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I don't like or use the term

nor "pay it forward". Same reasons. I never thought about why, but you are so right...

the god's honest truth?

the god's honest truth? stormfront.org

i used to frequent that site and was exposed to a lot of controversial opinions, which made me question nearly everything i was exposed to. eventually in 2007, ron paul was a big deal and i checked him out and never looked back!

I think all of us are born with certain talents

and abilities, which make us different from everyone else. My talent was to spot bull S.. a mile away. The problem is there is too much of it out there.

Do your best have no expectations

I refused their kool-aid

went to a catholic school-questioned everything and wanted a detailed answer. Growing up we had to read an hour to watch tv an hour. About 3rd-4th grade I was no longer watching tv only reading. Read alot of history books.

My grand mother insisted all females in her family were going to vote as soon as they turned of age. Her reasoning (women died so you could vote). Well I questioned every person on the ballot. It wasn't till Ross Perot that I actually checked a name that was on the ballot. Before that I wrote in our dog/dogs. :-)

In 2007 I was talking to our son about how screwed we were and there was NO ONE in the next election. He said he had heard of this Paul guy, well of course I question that to. He was googling all my questions, I remember then, all I thought was, oh give me a break this guy can't be for real. I spent about 2 weeks not stop researching to the point of almost calling Mr. Paul to see if he was even a real person. and.... the rest is history.

Now I have turned into my grand mother in a sense. We have 6 children with 5 spouses-I have drilled Ron Paul into them. Our grand children have been drilled, yes our 2 yr old grand sons know who Ron Paul is. ahh yes they voted for Ron Paul.

So I would say the bottom line: what stopped me from being brainwashed--I question everything.

I have a similar story,

but I was the older person who educated my kids AND grandkids about Ron Paul and all of them donated to, and voted for him in 2008 and 2012--including my 90+ year old parents in 2008.
I also have 6 children, 5 spouses, and 4 or 5 grandchildren old enough to vote for him in 2012--and they educated their friends!
Needless to say--we can be proud to have left a legacy to our children and grandchildren to question everything and value LIBERTY!

Logic and the adoption of fundamental principles.

I believe it have to do with logic and the adoption of fundamental principles. Both are necessary for the development of a solid and unshakable world view. Introspection is another key for evaluating one's own actions for consistency, while humility allows us the opportunity to correct our inconsistencies of thought and deed. All this provides us with the necessary tools to travel the road towards a purity of mind and action.

I was moved recently by this animated version of Dante's Inferno where Dante goes off to fight in the Crusades and returns to find his love Beatrice being taken away to hell.

As Dante decides to pursue the Devil in to hell and rescue Beatrice, he discovers that in order to be successful he must come to terms with his own sins.

As I said in this post: "We are Dante and Beatrice is the Liberty we seek." http://www.dailypaul.com/277098/we-are-dante-and-beatrice-is...

I believe that we need to come to terms with the "sins" that we have committed which have, in their own ways large and small, enabled and supported a system which has eroded and thwarted a healthy vibrant culture of Liberty.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." Socrates

I made this my philosophy of life.

I believe it was a result...

Of 2 things...
One: An higher than average IQ that God blessed me with...
And more importantly...
Two: A few occasions of dosing on LSD...
Thank God the hippies have believed in fighting the oppressive structure of power elites, by means of chemical warfare since the 60's...They decided to try to dose the people of the world with a mind expanding drug that allowed the average sheep type person to open certain "doors of perception" that would allow them to see the whole picture...Unfortunately their movement was usurped, to a degree, by an extreme left element...But the result was still the same...Several people have been able to open their eyes, and wake the fuck up, due to the greatest man made chemical of all time Lysergic Acid Dyethilamide 25...Well; In my mind it is a toss-up between LSD and penicillin...

If you don't know anything, except what the mainstream information outlets have told you, about LSD and it's movement....Do a little studying...Any Libertarian will love it...Not as a recreational drug, but as a tool for awakening yourself and others...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

I have to interject.

There are great stories here and I mean not to discount anyone's progression, but part of being awake and a free thinker is considering the possibility that there is much further to go.

I don't see much in the way of a methodology for knowing you are brainwashed. I think the realization comes when you shed a belief you once held to be true when you finally discern that it's not. Perhaps, we see others still unable to reconcile certain incompatible perceptions of truth and think, by comparison, that we must no longer be brainwashed. That's probably true, but I never remember feeling brainwashed in the first place. It was more like just being unaware and and a bit unwilling to confront things.

So, this begs the question, "How much are we still brainwashed?"

As an example, since I've come to the DP, I've been confronted with competing conceptions about many things I failed to even question about Woodrow Wilson, "Honest" Abe and the expansion of the federal government (even through Kennedy), perceptions of Democracy vs. a Constitutional Republic, how Regan played the fall of the Soviets as a victory in the cold war, and a plethora of other accounts of historical events (many current) and the motivations for slanting their facts.

So, I've come to realize that shedding your load of brainwashing is not an all or nothing endeavor. It's a continuing process and, to some extent, I must still be brainwashed.

I know exactly when it

I know exactly when it happened. I was a very obedient child. Teachers loved me. I was studious and well behaved. At a 7th grade award ceremony, I was surprised when a student other than I received an award for best GPA. I was stunned quite frankly. I knew the kid wasn't as studious as I was. So I asked him, how did you get such a high gpa. His answer, "I cheated." At that point I immediately realized that school was bullshit, teachers were bullshit and everything an authority figure told me at that point was a lie. From that point I did "school," but began my own education outside of school. I'm not sure if there is a genetic competent to it. My father's side of the family is full of autodidacts. In fact my dad's uncle quit school in the 7th grade because he felt it was a waste of time. Taught himself to be an engineer, and ended up working on the Mercury Missions at the Los Alimos National Laboratory. He ended up with a teaching position there. He died of brain cancer. Funny thing was that the family didn't really know what he did there until after he died (it was in the Lab newsletter). Apparently he was doing something classified. Interestingly, before he died he became extremely paranoid and was convinced that the government was constantly following and surveilling him. My father and his brothers are all entrepreneurs.

Complete Ignorance

I really never paid any attention at all. What little attention I did give to politics just made me feel like they all were pandering lying sacs, so my mind set was "why bother?".

2007 someone told me about Ron Paul. Even then I thought "yeah whatever, probably just a pandering lying sac".... heard his name a few more times during the 08 election cycle, and figured "ok let me see what this guy is all about." First video on YouTube that popped up "Ron Paul courageously speaks the truth". blew my mind and sent me on an internet voyage for days looking up everything that he stood for.

What was so amazing to me was how many times I would hear his stance on something (War on drugs is 1 example), and would think "what that's crazy" then when I heard him explain, I often found my self baffled at the common sense of each issue, and it became clear that we've been conditioned to view almost everything completely backwards. Ron Paul is the man, a complete anomaly, I NEVER thought I would witness an honest politician. Ron Paul kicks ass!

Beep beep boop beep... I am a Paulbot... prepare for liberty and prosperity!

It feels good to be conscious.

It feels good to be conscious.

I think to attain consciousness requires one to willingly seek the truth. But obviously, one must first believe that he/she is not getting the truth. So, it's our duty (those who are aware of the truth), to always show people the lies.

curious

if it has anything to do with personality types... I'm an ENFJ. Naturally curious, abstract thinker, etc. Anyone else?

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

What sent me down the rabbit

What sent me down the rabbit hole was several conversations that I had with a low-level executive from a major pharmaceutical company back in 2000. Little did he know when he was telling me this stuff, was that I had a Mom who was "sick" and dealing with a lot of issues, mainly medication that was making her situation worse. The things he told me were like a baseball bat to the gut, because I was raised to believe and respect all things American, especially our "great" medical system. The conversations were so deep that one day he broke down and cried--I'm not kidding. That was very impressionable to my young mind.

Also, world travel opened my head up like a can of worms. If I can give young people any advice, don't get into debt, don't buy a new car or any other junk from China, Indonesia, or wherever... save your money and go to those places instead and work there if you can!!! These are life changing experiences, debt is not!!!

A life long...

A life long contempt and distrust of authority and not caring what other people thought or said about me.
"Ya got a problem with that?" (just kidding)

RickStone

I was then I wasn't

Proving that people can be saved from their brainwashing. Not many have parenting that would teach what is real and what is not. A more important question is one that asks, "What caused you to become un-brainwashed"? Independent media that irrefutably challenges the "tv" story on any subject with fact would have to be the answer.

Theres a teaching

I think its NLP? The phrase "The map is not the territory", and teaches about "Map Collision"

The idea is that we all build the same map, same dimentions, we draw the hills and things all in the same place, on the surface it looks the same.

But theres minut differences on HOW we draw the map. We all have the same map, but our experiences on how we became who we are, what it took to build that map varies from person to person.

I.E. The map is not the territory

Two people who have the same map can still have massive differences of opinion, because the experience which lead to drawing a portion of the map could be different.

A good example is look at Britian, the original maps make Britian MUCH bigger than it really is. Same with Japanese maps, the starting point of the map (Japan), looked much bigger on thier map than it is today from satallites, it was first outlined and expanded upon as they explored outwards.

Your question: Is there anything in particular that you guys attribute your independent thinking to?

My answer: Everything

Alfred Korzybski- General

Alfred Korzybski- General Semantics

Robert Anton Wilson was highly influenced by him.

I deposited my TV

into the dumpster and starting reading books on the founding fathers and other political philosophers. I rediscovered reading. Realized how much more enjoyable reading was...than TV. Also, started getting my info on the web.

*and I realized 911 was an outside-inside-out job. That really woke me up!

Fishing!

Ditch schooling. Go fishing!

Find folks that are what you want to be. Ask them, "Could you use some help?"

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I read the Bible and pray.

I read the Bible and pray.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

It occured to me

as a teenager that the only TV programming that was of any redeeming value at all was The Gong Show.

It might be cliche

but I was brainwashed. Until the 2008 campaign and I saw Ron Paul in the debate.
That coupled with my ability to think critically, which I have ensured my kids can do.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

Maybe it's innate

Our Founders were mostly brilliant, liberty-minded people who were somehow all born around the same time. Providence?
When I was in kindergarten, my Mom took me with her to vote and I overheard two women saying they were voting for whoever because he was 'goodlooking'. I remember thinking that was the stupidest reason ever to vote for someone, even though I didn't really understand what that thought was about.
I never had a problem with engaging in war and I think I appeared as a 'neocon' in that sense, but I never liked the idea of staying longer than necessary. My personal war policy was to go in, pound the enemy, then leave.
But what really woke me up was the globull warming farce and discovering Agenda 21. The depth and breadth of Agenda 21 is really beyond the comprehension of most people. I spent 6 months, 8 to 10 hours every day, reasearching and reading everything I could pertaining to it and its nefarious arms. Every single facet of a human life is controlled through Agenda 21. The UN is pure evil.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

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NON CONCUPISCES

When I was a little kid and

When I was a little kid and couldn't sleep my dad would give me Atlas Shrugged to read. (seriously)

He preached libertarian views my whole childhood, but it wasn't until I started working for the family business and the EPA shook us down in 2009 that I really realized that I needed to get involved.

NON CONCUPISCES

Rush Limbaugh (my dads hero)

He exposes hypocrisy by democrats, then you see the hypocrisy by republicans, then you fall in love with The Constitution.

EDIT: Zeitgeist! My anti-war, anti-bush friend in 2005 told me to watch this movie that would "fvck with my head"

Also the film the Matrix and reading Animal farm in the 8th grade.

Senator Peter Schiff 2016