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How did you manage to avoid becoming brainwashable when so few do?

I grew up staring at the tv for hours on end, but I still turned out to be quite the skeptic and critical thinker. I've analyzed my childhood trying to pinpoint events that have caused me to become the person I am, but I'm really not sure. We all grow up basically watching the same movies, eating the same cereal. Is there anything in particular that you guys attribute your independent thinking to?



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"Of Books There Are Many, Much learning Is Great Weariness

To The Mind." ~ Solomon

“Five years from now you’ll

“Five years from now you’ll be the same person you are today except for the books you read and the people you meet.” - Charlie “Tremendous” Jones

Brainwashing is surprisingly easy.

As I look around at my coworkers, friends, family and the general public, I see people that are busy with their 8-10 hour work days. People busy with raising children. People busy with their hobbies. And people busy watching one of the 800 channels offered on TV. Most aren't really into politics beyond every four years maybe voting in the presidential election. If.....I repeat if they do pay some attention to government and politics, they have only listened to a sound bite from the mainstream media or read a headline from a mainstream newspaper. The vast majority do not look deeper into government operations and waste or look into politicians voting records. They eat rhetoric up ( ie...Gingrich ).

I consider myself pretty smart, not easily manipulated, and pretty heavy into politics. I was a two time Ross Perot voter only b/c I always sensed that something was wrong with the dem and rep candidates. I just never bought their rhetoric. When FOX news came along, I was like "wow, this is really great stuff, I've never heard news like this before". You see I am typical registered independent, right winger, conservative, southerner, FOX news drone. Before Dr Paul, I swore that Gingrich was the best and he was my presidential choice regardless of his past. After 13 years of FOX...FOX....FOX... and watching my favorite show The O'Reilly Factor, I finally had the "Awakening". The MSM idiots actually are responsible for my awakening b/c of their blatant treatment and lies about Ron Paul. That along with the combination of some You Tube videos I was sent like the Obama Deception, the Federal Reserve, and Council on Relations etc... is what really woke me up.

The two party paradigm with their divide and conquer strategy has been played brilliantly. And until Americans are hit upside the head with a bat and are willing to look deeper into what's really going on, then this cycle will continue.

I will say this, the mainstream media, establishment reps and dems, crony capitalistic corporations and the ruling elite are very scared of the awakening and are doing their best to stop it. Ron Paul might be our last chance. But more important than the man, is the cause, the awakening, the revolution. So, even if he doesn't get the nomination, we must continue the message, the cause, and the donations to his campaign. Dr. Paul needs to take the stage at national platform, grab that microphone and tell the world what's really going on. I long for the day if he doesn't get the nomination, that he takes that live mic and destroys the mainstream media and both parties bullsh@t.

I had great professors

One even taught about the CFR, Carrol Quigley, etc in his classroom. Here's one of his lectures in 2009 after the first tea parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFrlVs2m1nk

Tragedy and Hope was one of his textbooks

and we had to read Bastiat's "The Law" for extra credit

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A background based on science.

I question everything, trying to find-out the truth. Put everything to the test of scrutiny in my motto. This skepticism carried-over from science based upon logic to religion. I began questioning what I believed about the Almighty and whether these beliefs made any sense. I didn't like what I found, and so the appropriate changes were made in what I believed to fit what made sense to me. In 2008, I subjected the presidential candidates to the same test of scrutiny. Were these people logical, internally consistent with their beliefs, and were their beliefs based on something real, not some pie-in-the-sky crap? Was what they believed logical, and was it reproducible for others given the same starting materials? Only one person passed this test, and his name is Ron Paul.

For the young. (Im 21)

Internet obviously for me... I was with Obama in 08 but couldn't vote, then he didnt pull out of Iraq and I was already searching around for different political parties before that and found the Libertarian party; but did not come to it right away. Then a year or so goes by and nothing has change and shit is hitting the fan. I had been watching Milton Friedman videos for months (Im Austrian blood now no worries) and Ron Paul some how hit my computer screen; I was hooked. It was like he activated my soul. Love that last post.

So the truth, I think we are just born this way Patriots. We were born to lead

Cogito ergo sum

I think therefore I am...

My guess is that most people

My guess is that most people don't want to rock the boat and be disliked for having a differing opinion on topics such as politics. A good example of how group-think starts was demonstrated in the Asch conformaty experiment in the 50's or 60's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA

When all the talking heads and the people around you buy into a certain line of thinking it's hard to resist and be an independant thinker. Until recently in the GOP field there was no deviation in the line of opinion of people until Dr. Paul punktured the uniformity that the broadcasted GOP members showed. I remember being facinated by him in 2006 in the debates at which time I discovered at last what political group I actually belonged to.

I remember listening to George Carlin and Bill Hicks growing up and that their view of the world was just so different and didn't really respect any political parties, they were politically incorrect but it sounded like they were giving an intellectually honest view on what really was wrong with the nation and for that fact, the world.

I didn't avoid it

The powers that be did such a good job suppressing real truth, I, like most others, felt like I had to choose from the lesser of two evils.

Then I happened to stumble on Ron Paul in a 2007 primary and he cured my apathy.

However, despite the Ron Paul Revolution, I don't think we have been completely de-brainwashed. Frankly, I think that life is like an onion...go through enough layers and you have nothing but a bad smell...thus, people actually WANT to be brainwashed (to an extent) to avoid that harsh reality. Cypher (of the Matrix) made that choice.

The Brainwashing Worked! That's why

I support Dr Paul!
I was brainwashed when I was young, I was told that Americans were free! We were honest, we believed in Liberty and Justice for all! We were Independent and didn't see people as groups, we welcomed all and provided equal opportunity and equal justice! We never started a fight and once we had to fight we would all band together and win! There wasn't anything you couldn't do if you were American! You could be President someday! We valued Freedom above all else! Hard work and honesty leads to success, treat other as you would be treated! These are the things I was told, that is the brainwashing that worked! I still believe it, and so I have no choice but to support Ron Paul, the Champion of the Constitution and true American values!

What good is Freedom of the press, if the Press will not Press For Freedom? - UR

http://PressforFreedom.com

Ask not what your government can do for the people, ask what can the people do for the people. - UR

Glad to hear that! My

Glad to hear that! My daughter was 2 when I discovered Dr. Paul and I've been teaching her the same thing! When I was young (born in 1968), I was told the U.S. does not start wars (we've changed a LOT!). And my parents told me we were free too. But they themselves didn't know how corrupt the system was. We had only tv's and newspapers to get our news. We didn't even have a microwave back then. What a difference computers & internet would've made!

I too, am still brainwashed

I was told that only bad governments treat their citizens like the enemy. Our government was better than that - it was by the people and for the people. We had due process, and everyone was entitled to a trial by jury if charged with a crime. We didn't believe in torture, like the bad countries. We didn't have secret prisons like the evil governments around the world. We were better than that. We were Americans, the bastion of Freedom around the world! I am also still brainwashed, therefore I have to support Dr. Paul 100%!

Anyone can be brainwashed, at

Anyone can be brainwashed, at any time. Just because we are Ron Paul supporters does not mean we can't be deceived. The greatest deception you can be under is the belief that you cannot be deceived. Think about it. If you know about it, it's not deception. I think it is an arrogant person who believes he or she has been fully enlightened because they support RP, or because of how 'deep' down the rabbit hole they have traveled. Arrogance leads to deception, and ANYONE can be (and probably is) brainwashed on some level.

Jason

Happy Libertarian

Very true. We are all

Very true. We are all brainwashed at some point. We cannot possibly know everything. I'm sure that everyone here knows something the others don't and that if we all uploaded our truths to a giant server and magically absorbed it our world view would change at least a small bit.

Still, I was way more brainwashed before.

Standing ovation!!!!

I can hypnotize people. (By training, when I realized what it is, I decided not to do that to people.) People frequently tell me "I cannot be hypnotized" because they went to some comedy club and watched the hypnotist's act, and when he did his "test for susceptibility" they failed. Well, that is a parlor trick, that ain't hypnosis. I am NOT capable of hypnotizing "everyone", but I know enough about hypnosis to understand that ALL OF US ARE SUSCEPTIBLE. And here is the kicker - the belief that we cannot be hypnotized makes us vulnerable to truly diabolical manipulation.
Ever had a day where you were just "out of sorts" and did not "feel like yourself?" Go flip your circuit breaker, stop ALL background hum, and see if 20 minutes of silence does not brighten your mood. Were you depressed, or overwhelmed by input that you could not process (a constant hum registers in your brain, but there is no message for your brain to decipher so it just takes it in, and does not process it.)? Understand that the bottom line with hypnosis is overwhelming someone's senses so they release the unbearable tension by falling "asleep."
All those people walking around saying they are "stressed" or "overwhelmed" are EASY PICKINGS for hypnosis. Even I could drop most of them off to la-la land.
To stay "awake" one must always assume that one MAY be sleeping, and do constant checks on themselves.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

thanks, Fishy--

good comments; *we* must all be always on *our* guard--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Very interesting

thanks for posting

enjoy it

I have always enjoyed being in odds with the majority and to deliver the light to those who I have contact with. It does not take a lot to spot that media keeps laying and this becomes plain in discpiliens like economy - if someone is listening what candidats say. Some candidates do make sense.

Read Books!

I always want to know whats behind something. I never take the surface answer for what it is.
I read books.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

9/11 Cover Up

After Senator Max Cleland resigned from his post on the 9/11 commission and said the government cover up of the events of 9/11 is a national disgrace. And the lead attorney for the 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, wrote a book that said a decision was made at the hightest levels of government not to tell the truth about what happened on 9/11, I finally decided to watch some videos about the subject.

I was in a daze for about a week when I realized the implications.

KMoore
May our efforts in support of Congressman Ron Paul be blessed with supernatural success.

Mom & Dad woke me up, Dan Smoot, JBS, Tony Sutton

A good “wake up” book:http://www.amazon.com/National-Suicide-Military-Soviet-Union...

This is an interesting interview of Sutton on Skull and Bones: http://www.rense.com/politics6/SKULL.htm

Sutton tried to get US files to use in his book but was unable to. He did however obtain Russian archival data to back up his claim that the US built up the soviets by supply them with entire factories from which they built tanks and machine guns and personnel carriers, et al.
Sutton was scheduled to talk on this fact at the GOP convention (that the US was supplying the communists with war matériel) I don't know if he ever did address the delegates at the convention. In his book, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote:
“For impressive evidence of Western participation in the early phase of Soviet economic growth, see Antony C. Sutton's Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development:

"1917–1930, which argues that 'Soviet economic development for 1917–1930 was essentially dependent on Western technological aid' (p.283), and that 'at least 95 per cent of the industrial structure received this assistance.' (p. 348).”
Brzezinski’s Between Two Ages: >>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/2520536/Zbigniew-Brzezinski-Betwee...

CFR member, Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster; 1984):

"In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology ..." Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored." ---CFR member Richard Pipes

archtoplee

Oh boy...

I was brought up in a "working class" home with parents living on different adresses in socialist Sweden. They broke up before I was born so I've never been sad or anything about that. Having two homes has taguth me some lessons though.

My mother is quite the moralist, worried about a lot of things and concerned about the poor, sick, children and everything else. She is intelligent and educated, but brainwashed into thinking socialist sollutions work. Mother has always been good with money, a saver and not a waster if you will.

My grandmother was a victim of Hitlers totalitarian regime, her entire family was wiped out during the holocaust. She was in Auschwitz and suffered a great deal. She never blamed Germany or germans, instead she blamed the hungarian government for selling her to Hitler. "No one helped us because they would have been shot, not because they where evil" she says.

My father has always been a very excentric person, he is somewhat of a social genius, able to always make friends and get things done. He is also well educated. For 15 years he has been trapped in the social security system for various reasons. He has also been subject to unfair rulings by government authorities that ruled him an Indian resident after a vacation which is absolutely absurd an untrue. This lead to him being "on his own" for 2 years with no insurance, medical insurance or any "privileges" granted to swedish residents.
My father has taught me the following: politicians don't know shit, don't trust the government, don't bow to authority, you own yourself, no one can tell you what to do (incl him). Most important of all he has taught me that everyone has the right to do what they want unless they hurt anyone else. Yet he is a raging leftie, he hates markets, he hates Milton Friedman, he hates corporations and always blame capitalism for everything. he even has a picture of Che Guevera on his wall (pathetic, I know). It is really weird, he has all the libertarian principles and knowledge of history in place but his misunderstanding of the market make him think otherwise. One day he will understand, I just know it.

During my upbringing, my mother had a bunch of rules. My father had no rules whatsoever. I could do just whatever I wanted, he would never get angry with me as long as I always told him the truth. Which I did. Due to this my mothers rules where in effect useless. I didn't care much for her rules, I played video games if I wanted to and she couldn't do anything about that since I could always go to dad and play instead. This taught me the principle of tax evasion and decentralisation I think since I saw my friends with "one set" of rules (world government) as compared to "my system" where I was much more free. If mom said no, I would just ask dad instead...

The experience with my father being denied all his rights as a Swedish citizen made me realize that gov't does whatever the fuck it wants, regardless off what is right and wrong.

My father has always been really bad with money, a big spender and small earner so to speak. I've always thought that was weird and I've always been concerned with my money. I saw how money has really limited my father so much in is life, how he is much less free because he is not rich. So I wanted to get rich, I thought that if I had enough cash I could do what I wanted.

This lead me to study economics after doing science in college. Economics made me understand the market. My background in science made me understand the flaws of modern macroeconomics. This lead me to austrian economics and freedom. Everything fell in place. In less than 6 months i refuted (almost) everything I previously believed to be true about markets and socialism - I was no longer a socialist...

Great story! Thanks for being

Great story! Thanks for being here with us.

Members and Individuals

As I see it, there are but 2 kinds of people - Members and Individuals:

Members lack self-confidence. They never really grew up. They want a parent (the State) to watch over them. Hence, they identify totally with their tribe (i.e. without the tribe, they would have no identity). So any/all moral judgments are rendered subservient to the defense of the tribe. That's why they can support blatant amoral psychopaths such as Obama and Gingrich.

Individuals are whole/mature adults. They have grown up. They just want to be left alone.

Individuals can come to some understanding of the Member mindset. But Members can't relate at all to the Individual mindset. It's just not in their makeup.

"All political systems are dependent upon the generation of mass-minded
thinking, to persuade each of us to lose our sense of individuality and
responsibility in the collective herd.
We condition our minds to accept identities for ourselves,
to think of ourselves not as self-directed, self-responsible beings,
but as members of various groups, whose interests are not only mutually
exclusive, but antagonistic.
Whether we identify ourselves by race, religion, nationality, lifestyle,
ideology, economic interests, gender, geography, or any other category,
we put ourselves into a state of conflict with others.
Political systems then promise to protect us from 'them",
and most of us are too dull to recognize that our alleged 'protectors"
are the very ones who induced us to play the games that now threaten us!
BUTLER SHAFFER (The Individual and the Collective, August 2002)

BRILLIANT!

100% CORRECT!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

What is your zodiac, anyone and everyone?

Im an aquarius.

IMO

Studying astrology is a fascinating means of self-examination (rather than 'predictions' per se) and I suppose to that end, a degree of liberation

PS Scorpio

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I'm a rebel.

That's it.

When I was a kid, my brother

When I was a kid, my brother was drafted and sent to Vietnam. My first memories of the evening news was watching the war footage, looking for my big brother. All of the sudden playing army was not much fun any more.

My dad used to sit me down on Sunday mornings on the front porch and read the newspaper to me. He would then explain to a 10 year old kid what it all meant from his viewpoint.

In the 10th grade, I had a great civics teacher, Mr. Campbell. We actually read and debated the Constitution. While other kids were off worrying about Trig, I was writing letters to the newspapers, trying to change the world.

I went to college, with a double major in History and Political Science, then on to law school. It became apparent to me through lifelong study, that there is something very wrong here with the way the law is being applied since about 1970.

I am not sure whether it is "brainwashed" or just a plain lack of knowledge, but I am sure of this: Very few understand the Constitution and what it actually says and the reasoning behind it all. I think in part, that it is a disregard for teaching the ideals that are the basis of America.

Then, any reasonable person will have a full appreciation for Dr. Paul.