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Older Republicans, Older Republicans, Older Republicans...

Say that over and over until that is all you think and breathe in order to gear yourself to the inescapable barrier we MUST overcome to WIN the nomination.

From this moment forward; that must be the major focus of our movement.

The problem is undeniable.

Success there is the ultimate and only path to break this open.

Nay saying on this issue is unacceptable.

Your personal feelings toward these folks, if it is unalterably negative, is unacceptable.

If you really want to win NOW, we must all get with this matter hard and right NOW.

Please keep this at the top because it is without a doubt our top priority.

UPDATE:

Please read this post by spacehabits:

http://www.dailypaul.com/207504/message-from-an-older-republ...




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Yes,

All voters, no groups.

And change SSA and entitlement to pensions.

I agree about foreign policy. A younger person looking to avoid war = pacifist and the older ones remember how many took deferments, went to Canada, etc. Just the way it is.

Newt, Santorum, Romney, the faces have changed but the message is still the same--war, war, war. Draft dodgers themselves, they may get into office and history will repeat itself.

Until there are no groups, we will continue with the status quo. Neither the younger generation nor the older will be able to do anything about it.

Ironic, we are two sides of the same coin.

mickey45

Thank you fellow old person lol

I agree 100% and want to add that our generation lost over 60,000 soldiers in the senseless and illegal Vietnam war and most of the ones that came home had serious mental issues and some still do. When a Viet Nam vet refused to talk about the war, you can only imagine what atrocities and nightmares they saw and experienced over there. Additionally, this was a war that was served by a draft which is what I fear is going to be coming to a town near you in the near future because eventually the "volunteers" will dry up and the powers to be have no problem in sending our young people to die for the sake of natural resources, money, power and control.

Most of the Baby Boomers like myself seem to be anti-war and if you noticed that during the original tea party marches, alot of the people there were of the Baby Boomer age and very young people.

I see that some of the 30's group tend to be more out of touch with what is really happening UNLESS they have children...I think that when you have a child's future to worry about everything seems more serious and they tend to chose carefully. I've already dealt with one of my son's attitude "Mom, that just sounds crazy and everything is fine" That is what really hurts me because it is total lack of respect for my life experience and my intelligence. In my opinion this is the group that is the most difficult to convince and I think that their peers are the best qualified to explain Ron Paul to them.

The key to the voters older than the baby-boomers is that come hell or high water they vote!! Sick, walkers, canes etc....nothing stops them from voting especially in the small towns. How to reach them? I have no idea except for Ron Paul himself and his values. I believe that from now on, since the media is so against Dr Paul, that his commercials will probably be the most important way of reaching every American. They have to be strong and speak to every age group and quite honestly, I think they should be honest and scare the heck out of people on where we are headed and what will happen if we don't elect him. I'm tired of everyone being politically correct and tiptoeing around how bad things really are...this is not a game and we have too much to lose if he doesn't win.

Yes

and the only ones to present a lot of information is same generation to same generation.

Each generation has its own language and only each generation can use the significant terms.

mickey45

;-))

U are thinking in groups!!!
Ron needs to explain things better .
Social security
is a big one!!!
Just quit the hate toward older folks.
They paid in , they were lied too!
Also they were working to build this country.
Most of that time they had no INTERNET. only MSM.
Oh yea they made this Web thing!
You would have not done any different in their era!
Open minds with true heart!
Peace!!

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

think ROI

the older ones I know are so completely brainwashed it's literally impossible to have a conversation with them about anything other than 'fantasyland' (as seen on TV).

We're talking here about trying to overcome decades of programming. And, like any addict, the minute you turn your back they're using the stuff again. (TV)

they have also been taught to feel helpless to do anything about their situation.

I'd like to think that there is some 'button' we could push, I'm still looking - thanks for the thread.

When Logic Fails

There will always be those you cannot reach. So you must, thank them for their time,tell them you respect their position (even if you don't!) and move on to the next mark!

I am 57, and reached my 82 year old mother, with one discussion. She now is handing out superbrochures in her nieghborhood. Whereas, another neo-con friend of mine in his 70s, with whom I have spent over 4 years discussing RP ideology and philosophy, will NEVER let go and entertain ANY new thought. He and many others like him, are incapable of reassessing their world view, it is just too scary for them, or their egos are too deeply invested in their world view. I wasted 4 years on this guy, hoping to reach him.

Although, I must admit, I gained from this interchange, as it honed my arguementation skills and few opponants can now stump me in a debate. But logic matters not to the deeply indoctrinated! It just pisses them off and they will continue cling to their illogical ideas tenaciously!!

The lesson: If their minds are still completely closed, after one or two discussions, and I mean completely closed...(and you will know) move on to more fertile ground...there are elderly who will listen to you, like my Mother! Time is now to short to waste on the others...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Not all

I am 62 and work at conservative Financial service company.
While some of your premise is correct, not all are. I was with two clients Friday evening. One 79 the other 82 after much conversation they told me they would both vote for Ron Paul. I plan to call them and remind them also. There biggest argument at first was he was un-electable. But that they trusted him. Must admit that it didn't hurt when i pointed out he is best for preserving their wealth.

Liberty forever, Jasper Texas 75951

Older Republicans

Sit in front of Fox News all day and every day. You will be treated like a scorn lover if you merely suggest anything different than whats in their brainwashed heads. Many are lonely people who need their friends in the box.

I do not concur...

I don't think older Americans should be the focus of this movement. When I look at the demographic breakdown of polling I see that Ron Paul is getting a plurality of the under 40 support among voters. I see them as a traitor to the cause and more importantly a traitor to themselves as the problem Ron Paul talks about have long term consciousnesses for this nation, so the young people that vote for Santorum or Gingrich are voting against their own future because they don't like gays or...well, I don't know why anyone would vote for Newt, but if they were fully informed on subjects like economics and liberty they wouldn't. And young people still don't vote on the scale that the elderly do, if we got them informed and motivated about Dr Paul, we would be winning.

Have you ever tried to change the mind of an old person? There are some exceptions, but with age their minds become closed to logic, reason, and more importantly new ideas. They are dependent on the government, and accustomed to the status quo to the point they fear change (causing them to ironically to favor policies that are going to bring about abrupt unexpected change on an unprecedented scale).

If you want this movement to succeed talk to the young, even if they can't vote yet. Ignore the elderly...they will die off soon enough.

MEMBER FOR ONE HOUR AND 50 MINS!

'Nuff said...

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I changed my 66 yr old father in law's mind by

sending him the "You like Ron Paul except on Foreign Policy" video. But I first said that I wanted to thank him for his service to our country, and that the video link was a tribute to veterans. This way, he was open minded; I made it about him, not about Ron Paul.

Yes,

common ground. Thank you for bridging the communication gap.

We need more of you.

mickey45

ridiculous. folks over 50 are registered in far greater numbers

and vote at far higher %'s than those under 30.
I am 56, a boomer, and in terms of voting demographics boomers dominate. Ignore us and the Revolution stalls out for a generation or more.
So, Why doesn't Ron Paul win over these voters? First, they don't know what the hell he is talking about. This stuff is so frigging alien to them. And, although they vote they don't like politics!! And, most importantly, the message isn't particularly clear when you hear if from Dr. Paul.

I don't discount the young. Love 'em! They are AWESOME but we need a lot more :)

h-daddy

Love it

lol ignore us and lose. Exactly.

Alien is right until it is brought down to every day terms. That is the selling point.

After this morning's topics, I was ready to let it stall and let the chips fall where they may.

Glad to have come back and see the new responses.

mickey45

Independents, Independents, Independents

I think we will have better luck winning over the independents and getting them out to vote than cracking the skulls of the older voters IMHO

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Gosh

I'm 66 and pretty independent. Gone are the days of mom stays at home.

mickey45

How did you convert reluctant "Young People"

Did you just toss a video at them and ding-they were ours forever and actively spreading the word?

How did YOU come to the state of mind you are now in?

Could you respectfully walk an older person through the same process?

If so, could you begin that in the next 24 hours w/ some older people you already know, that know you.

Don't all people, at the most basic level, have the same basic concerns.

Are you concerned tomorrow your rice bowl may be empty?

Do you think older people are concerned that their rice bowl may be empty tomorrow as well?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Love it

Just toss them a bone and call them dumb and worthless if they don't eat it.

Way to win hearts and influence people. lol

mickey45

Like I stated early on in

Like I stated early on in this thread...I am a precinct captain in rural Minnesota. Nobody here cares to vote this early. They wait until the media decides for them. Most of them are older and republican. My area never hears from any campaigns because we are too small but how many small areas like mine can we tackle and convert? I have about 500 people on my voter Id list in my precinct. Right now with so little time all I can do is try to find a hand full of supporters to participate in the caucus on February 7th. That alone has been a big job since everyone is undecided. We should focus on these areas too. I'd love to give a phone list of my area if anyone is willing to give it a shot.

I

understand your concerns but if they are like my area, they are linked to some organization.

Around here it is the commodities link. Try using their areas of interests, if they are farmers, find out where they are getting information, if they are into horses, same thing.

I feel for you because in my square mile there are probably only 50 households. Only ten in 3 miles. But we do talk, one at a time. Convert one and the whole family converts (lol, the uncles and parents all live within 10 miles of each other). Might ask for a phone number from one to get to another. (Watch out for the dogs and shot guns)

I hate to say this, but there is almost always (a male) who likes to have his voice heard and won't back down if won over.

mickey45

We have to realize that there

We have to realize that there are some of these people who truly do like to live in ignorance, and vote for the likes of Newt regardless. They hide behind the "christian" name but in reality love corruption and thrive off of local gossip. These are the same types who give money to the Falwells and Robertsons, and they will support Newt fully knowing he is the worst type of adultering slimeball. Yes, there really are people like this, and you wont change their vote. Its like they are working for the "dark side" or something. Dont waste time on them. But go for those who are willing to think for themselves with a slight prodding.

Then move on to the next one

problem solved.

BTW-RP is an OLD, Christian(EVANGELICAL!!!), CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Exactly, but I think you see

Exactly, but I think you see what Im trying to explain. Most of us who support Ron Paul do so because we could grasp the idea that we are getting ripped off by a master plan. You try to explain that to these people and all of a sudden your an enemy to the "died in the wool". You wont change these people until they see the rest of the herd following, then a few of them will come aboard because they want to be on the winning team. And the media knows this, and probably the campaign too and that may be why they didnt spend much time in SC. Lets move on to those who are willing to grasp the message.

And

maybe you are preaching to the choir. Just maybe the communicator is wrong.

What message? Dressed up in a lot of college lingo?

mickey45

Tom Woods on "Operation Grandma".

Tom Woods on "Operation Grandma".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvRLmheLNVU

Robert Scott Bell discussed this topic with Tom Woods

on his radio show the other day. Worth listening to:

http://youtu.be/3pvzVEzSmb8

We definitely need to try and

We definitely need to try and appeal to older voters. This will not be easy but we defintely need this demographic. If the older people were as into Ron Paul as the college students we'd win this thing going away.

Part of it is the outdatd liberal/conservative dichotomy and part of it is the fact that so many young people and smelly hippies like Ron Paul. Seriously that puts a lot of older people off. We need some strategy to win them over.

Smelly hippies = racist rednecks

Negative labels are divisive. Liberty brings us together. United we stand, divided we fall.

"The world is a dynamic mess of jiggling things, if you look at it right." - Richard Feynman

Forgive me brother I didn't

Forgive me brother I didn't mean it that way. I was actually kind of making fun of people who use the label "smelly hippies."

Advertising should ONLY mention Ron Paul.

One of the things I've been stressing to friends lately is how much of a difference 2007-08 is to 2011-12, certainly due to more online activity. This is why it's more young people know about, and are very much on board with Ron Paul.
Back then, many more of us were still getting our news off the couch, watching and believing whatever the MSM told us.
We have to understand that Fox News to many older Republicans is like church to them. If O'Cryly or Waanity tell them Ron Paul is "Crazy", they're bound to believe them, even over their own grandkids. (I know... I've tried to convince some people at my church. They don't get online much, but they always watch the "News".)
I do believe that the Ron Paul commercials now though, need to ONLY mention Ron Paul, and not any of the other candidates. One thing that I learned about marketing, and the reason why McDonald's is so successful, is because they only hype up THEIR products. Burger King, and many other fast food restaurants have always been held lower than McDonalds, because when they advertise against McDonald's, they still MENTION McDonald's.
If the adds go into detail in Florida for example, on Ron Paul predicting the housing crisis, he could win off of that add. I just saw a report that since 2008, the housing market in Florida is the 3rd worst in the nation, at around 50% less than they were worth in 2008. Ron Paul could actually score a lot of votes with just one add on that alone. Don't mention Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum... All Ron Paul.
There are a lot of retired older folks in Florida. They won't see or hear a lot about Ron Paul, but if they could see an advertisement like that between watching their news, it could very well turn heads.