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Older Republicans, Older Republicans, Older Republicans...

Say that over and over until that is all you think and breathe in order to gear yourself to the inescapable barrier we MUST overcome to WIN the nomination.

From this moment forward; that must be the major focus of our movement.

The problem is undeniable.

Success there is the ultimate and only path to break this open.

Nay saying on this issue is unacceptable.

Your personal feelings toward these folks, if it is unalterably negative, is unacceptable.

If you really want to win NOW, we must all get with this matter hard and right NOW.

Please keep this at the top because it is without a doubt our top priority.


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RP can win votes by saying, clearly and concisely, what he will DO as President. Just the Dr. speaking. No flags, no music, no background crap. No mention of other candidates or the Prez. Keep it simple, honest, and folks will get it.

Predicting the housing crisis doesn't help anyone but pointing out that the fed/fannie/fredie contributed to the problem, and that he would get them out of the market would certainly win votes.



I agree 100% on tackling Florida. I've seen it with my own eyes! But they need to know that Newt made millions while they were losing their homes.

Ron Paul needs to lead this charge

An ad explaining where Social Security and Medicare are headed under Obama / Romneycare, and explaining how he wants to preserve them for those who paid in for a lifetime while transitioning the youth away from government coerced dependance for the elderly and disabled.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


"Social Security is broke. You know it. They know it." (show Obama, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich).

"One man wants to do something about it. Ron Paul. Cut one trillion dollars in spending, pour the money *back* into Social Security. Protect our seniors."

"Save social security. Save this country. Vote Ron Paul."

You mean like top down world

like a government solution

Oh, look, here is a problem, what magic outside force can wave a wand and make it better.

Come on fishy

How hard is it to find one person that is R and 65+ and talk to them about issues and solutions.

Just think if 1000 of us started doing that right now.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

How long will it take?

How long will it take if we ignore the old people and turn this into a battle of attrition? I rather like the strategy of focusing on instilling libertarian views in university students and young soldiers than trying to convert devout opponents.

Precinct captain

Im a precinct captain here in rural Minnesota. I have found small areas such as mine have been abandoned by all campaigns including Ron Paul's. I've spent the entire day on the phone and have 2 strong supporters and 2 possable supporters. Everyone else seems undecided because it is "too early". Even though our precinct caucus is on February 7th. Nobody here even votes in the precinct caucas. I spoke to a republican non Ron Paul supporter who said that he volunteered to be a delegate at the last election and only 2 people from our precinct showed up to vote. TWO PEOPLE! With such little time... I'm trying to tackle a whole precinct on my own in a place with lazy republicans who wait for the media to make the decision before they cast a vote.
I'm just saying maybe we need to focus a little on the areas like mine too since no other campaigns are touching it...it would give us an upper hand.

Can you become a delegate there?

Just wondering. I mean, if others don't want to show up... that would be awesome if you could be for Ron Paul.

I was planning to do so since

I was planning to do so since its been rather hard to find anyone else as engaged as I am. I am also trying to convince my husband to do so as well but he is back and forth between Ron Paul and Newt. He agrees with Ron Paul on many levels but like the way newt speaks grrrrrrrr! He and I don't see eye to eye on politics and if I wasn't pro marriage I would devorce him for it! Just kidding of coarse...maybe.

I think that is one of the main reasons we have thus far

been unsuccessful in this area:

The get it done in a second solutions.

How many young people took years to win over.

Keep in mind, this demo has been bombarded with falsehoods about us.

We are not even doing well with the 30 somethings demo.

How long do you think it will take them to die off?

How old will YOU be then.

This isn't a debate of should it be done. This is a discussion on how to get it done ASAP.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Well, with the old folks voting you young folks off to war,

we should be rid of you ungrateful twits soon.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

lol brilliant!

lol brilliant!

Olders & youngers have

Olders & youngers have something in common. Free time for social networking. They just use different technologies. Maybe, if they are Ron Paul supporters, drive your mom, dad, grandmother/father, aunts, etc... to social networking events. They will enjoy having you along with them.

Foreign Policy

My parents(64 &65) are hard-core Foxnews watchers who are just not convinced that Ron will be strong enough on Foreign Policy. Here in the south, if we don't make some ground on the foreign policy front, we won't be able to gain as much ground as we need. I posted the following on another thread, but I think it bears repeating here:

I hope that Dr. Paul will publish a detailed National Defense Plan similar to the way he published his written economic plan cutting $1 trillion. I would like to see a detailed description of where we could beef-up our national defense while scaling back obsolete and unneeded bases overseas. And before I get railed by those who would say, "shut them all down, and bring them all home," I would encourage you to look at what Dr. Paul has outlined in his economic plan. Although we believe philosophically that the welfare system must go, Dr. Paul knows that it can't be ended overnight and has a plan to phase out areas of the welfare state over time. Why can't he propose the same thing with our overseas involvement while showing how he would use some of the freed-up funds to strengthen our defense and first-strike capabilities?

I read on someone's reply to a thread yesterday that we spend somewhere around $20 billion a year to air-condition our middle-east bases. They went on to show what we could use that money for in regards to defensive expenditures like increasing our navy's first-strike options. This is the kind of foreign policy detail that can win over the more hawkish voter, but we need details. Spell it out for those too intellectually lazy to think it through for themselves. I think this would help tremendously in winning over those who have been fed the neoconservative narrative for so long like my folks. Older Republicans watch Fox a lot. We have to assuage some of their fears with details.

Showing how strong you intend to be in detail and in print will silence a few critics and will bring like-minded foreign policy experts to your side.


"A good End cannot sanctify evil Means; nor must we ever do Evil, that Good may come of it." -William Penn

Totally agree

"Just bring all the troops home home" is scary to many. Ron needs to play up the military capabilities and mission in a new national defense plan. Will the Navy still patrol the seas protecting US trade? Will we still be able to quickly strike anywhere in the world when needed and proper? Questions like these need to be addressed to ease their minds.

I'll Second That...

I'm 69 and a bunch of my conservative Republican cronies here in Sandwich, NH are pounding on me with those very questions!!

Had to quit drinking coffee with about half of them because I didn't have any answers!

Panama expats support Ron Paul


Yes, Paul should be more clear and as incremental with defense spending as he is with domestic spending. He cannot win in the Republican Party with the current approach. yesterday made that very clear. He got slaughtered by voters who have ties to the military.

You might

wanna add women too. We have a big problem with them.

I agree with you but,

we need ideas. Please, everyone, post your ideas, and everyone else read all the responses, and we can then maybe come up with a plan to garner the older Republican votes.

My idea, is that older Republicans, like everyone else alive, vote their pocketbooks.

When Dr. Paul says, that Social Security is unconstitutional (which it is), older Republicans may get scared, they are on fixed incomes.

Dr. Paul should make it clear, that to phase out social security, it would take at least a generation (20 years), and its not something, that he would do overnight.

or...If you paid in

you have a right to collect.
If you only paid part of your life
then you collect less.

This is better

Most of us had jobs before we became teenagers but paid into the fund when we became teens. It was an investment, albeit, an unconstitutional one. Yeah, even those low wages were used to determine benefit amounts.

Proportionate is clearer.


Here is an idea:

The DP Older Voter Working Group.

Volunteers from the DP community willing to work this issue until we come up with a repeatable plan of action.

I volunteer

Any others willing to join?

We will hold discussions on the DP, probably in OFF TOPIC.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I would

like to join this group. Older people can post and let the younger read. Maybe the younger have another discussion and then bring the groups back for the solutions.

This back and forth isn't getting any place.


Thank You abby

The DPOVWG is honored to have you as a member!

The DPOVWG Staff is working on a Press Release.

Seriously though, thanks for remaining committed to this.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Also, please check this out:


Very timely in general and specifically re: SC, Seniors and Grassroots efforts.

Plus a bit of levity

Thanks again

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Ads Targeting Older Generation

I wonder if we need some ads targetting our weeker populations. Something that says the truth about Social Security being that all the other candidates would have to cut it to have any shot at balancing the budget. Dr. Paul's plan keeps benefits and makes cuts elsewhere.

I hate generalizing but it also seems to be the generation most motivated by fear. Fear of terrorists, fear of losing their benefits, fear of death. We need a way to reassure those fears, especially on the subject of foreign policy.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions

Please help keep this issue in the forefront.

Right now there is a forum slide going on.

Does anyone disagree this is clearly our major stumbling block-That we can do something about, that we can reasonable control.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

This is THE ONLY THING that Ron Paul needs

Just listen to the interview Peter Schiff recently had with Steve Forbes (who agrees with everything else that Paul says but can't support him b/c he 'appears' so far away from being pragmatic/nuanced about foreign policy ala his son Rand or Schiff during his Senate run):


This is the ONLY THING that Ron Paul needs to get more support

There is ONLY ONE THING that Ron Paul needs to soar in the polls: tone down his more polarizing stances, starting with foreign policy. He doesn't have to change who he is but he has to explain himself better and show that he has a more pragmatic view the way Peter Schiff did when he ran for senate and the way his son, Rand Paul, has done so well every time he gets Hannity and mainstream GOPers eating out of his hand. It's HOW he explains himself that gives under-informed/involved listeners the impression that he won't pay any attention to threats around the world and just whistle to himself while he pays no mind to enemies and their plans to attack us. Foreign policy has to be PHASED DOWN ~ TRANSITION, the same way you'd phase out the Federal Reserve. If he tries to take us back to a 1930s foreign policy after the NeoCons have pissed off every possible foreigner in the world, WE WILL BE ATTACKED. You have to move towards non-interventionism while trying to un-f**k ourselves from the mess that the NeoCons created. People who hate us now (for killing their families etc) will attack "America" regardless of who's in the white house, even if it's Ron Paul.

For evidence of this, just listen to the interview Peter Schiff recently had with Steve Forbes (who agrees with everything else that Paul says but can't support him b/c he 'appears' so far away from being pragmatic about foreign policy:


I get many older people on the phones

When calling with Ron Paul's phone from home program. I'm not sure why, maybe they just like answering the phone still. Or maybe it's because they have their numbers listed, while younger people tend to be more private or screen calls.

I'd say the majority that answer are older people. One yesterday told me she was 93!