Message From An Older Republican
Submitted by spacehabitats on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 12:08I don't know, does my being 61 years old qualify me as "older"?
My sister is 64. My kid brother is a mere toddler at 57. It certainly plops us in the middle of a demographic that has been a hard sell for Ron Paul, the "Baby Boomers".
And if I don't qualify, how about my mother and father-in-law, both in their eighties?
Or how about my 93 year old neighbor Doris, who let me put up a 3'x4' “Ron Paul 2012” sign in here yard.
We are all Ron Paul supporters.
My mother has been a lifelong Republican, Christian evangelical, born and raised in the middle of the Bible Belt.
The folks down at the Ron Paul headquarters in Ankeny, Iowa probably remember her. She was the white-haired lady that was banging at their door one Saturday morning and wondering why no one answered. (The hours that were posted on the door were left over from the previous tenet but she didn't know that.) She came back later and scolded them for not being open on time. "It looks bad for Ron Paul. Unprofessional. People might think he's dropped out."
Mom gets angry at the mainstream media just like the rest of us. She sputters and fumes about how “They” are scared to death of Ron Paul. And she gets frustrated with her peers who can't seem to see past the propaganda.
So the question is, if Ron Paul is a candidate who only appeals to young people, why are WE the exception?
I actually had a reporter ask me that question. I laughed and said that maybe it was because I was “young at heart”. I was joking then, but now that I have had more time to think about it, I'm not so sure.
Maybe if being “young at heart” has something to do with having an open mind, I wasn't that far off. Humility is a virtue. Humility doesn't mean that you have low self esteem, that you are unsure of yourself, or are unsure of the things that you know; it simply means that you still believe that someone else might have something to teach you. But in practical terms, maybe it just means that I have never been been comfortable with any of the politically correct models of the world. I have never been satisfied with the glib explanations offered by the liberal/conservative paradigm.
I could never fully buy in to the status quo because I just had too much intellectual integrity. Like Galileo, I could not dismiss the evidence of my own eyes, no matter how much it would have simplified my life.
Unfortunately, this seems to be a common trait among Ron Paul supporters. I say unfortunately because it also seems to be a fairly UNcommon trait in the general population.
In 2007 I thought that we MIGHT be on the verge of a tidal wave, or maybe I should say, an avalanche. If there were enough people out there like myself and my family, all it would take is getting the word out about Ron Paul, and the face of American politics would be changed forever.
It did not take me long to become disillusioned.
Let’s face it. The avalanche never happened, and the low hanging fruit has long since been gathered.
Most of my peers (the older Republicans) are good people. They believe in self-reliance and personal responsibility. They aren’t looking for a handout. They are willing to work for their prosperity.
But converting them to Ron Paul will involve a lot more than waving a sign or shouting “End the Fed” at a passing car.
Let me explain.
My generation has been lied to since we first toddled off to Kindergarten. We have had propaganda pounded into our skulls for decades, and it hasn't gotten any better as we have gotten older. Every time we caught a glimpse through the matrix; IF we were ever brave enough or stupid enough to mention it, we got a cold slap in the face.
The early Boomers got to ride a demographic wave of prosperity for decades. Assuming that we kept our mouths shut, bought into the system, didn't mention the emperor’s nakedness; we were rewarded by good paying jobs. We could be managers, supervisors, and executives over the late boomers, and everyone could benefit from the incredible wealth brought on by cheap energy and exploding technology.
We were told that we were extraordinarily blessed (true) and that our prosperity had come at the expense of the majority of humanity who lived in poverty (false). Capitalism, we were told, was synonymous with greed.
Before we could be forgiven for our prosperity we must acknowledge our guilt and the debts we owed to so many others.
We owed reparations to the great grandchildren of slaves. It was OUR fault that they lived in ghettos. We OWED them the Civil Rights Act and the “War on Poverty” and “affirmative action”.
We OWED the people of Viet Nam the lives and limbs of America's young soldiers (mostly OUR lives and limbs), even if it meant forcing them into slave armies.
We OWED our elders Social Security and then Medicare. We OWED the Israelites a country of their own. We OWED the starving third world nations aid by the billions.
To pay our debts we wrote blank checks to the federal government. When that wasn't enough we let the Federal Reserve write the blank checks for us.
We were told that the national debt really didn't mean anything anyway.
We were told that the U.S. Constitution was only there to protect criminals or homosexuals or communists or atheists or women who wanted abortions.
Anyone who opposed any of this was a bigot, a Nazi, unpatriotic, or at the very least incredibly selfish and ungrateful.
And when all that we could give still wasn't enough to eliminate poverty and disease and racism from the world, we were told it was because WE had sin in our hearts.
Oh, They didn't use the word “sin”, but that was the message.
For what is “unconscious” racism or sexism or ageism if not the modern equivalent of original sin?
And now we are told that to be a good person we must also cleanse ourselves of the unrighteousness of “nationalism”, become a citizen of the world, give up our greenhouse gas-producing cars and light bulbs, give up our jobs to people in India or China or Korea or Mexico or work for less pay, fewer benefits, and longer hours.
And then 9/11 came along and gave us something else to worry about, but it also gave the demagogues an opportunity to redirect our growing anger and frustration.
They pushed all of our primal buttons.
Now any one who opposed their agenda was not just unpatriotic, but also a fool and a coward.
But the wars dragged on, the market crashed and with it our life savings and any dream of retiring.
But our joints are starting to ache and we can't remember phone numbers and names don't come to mind as quickly as they used to. And to top it all off, our company is looking to downsize or offshore or re-organize or merge.
We are older “Republicans” because we know that the only alternative stinks to high Heaven.
We are mad as hell and we don't have a clue what to do about it.
We have too many people giving us too many alternative explanations and too many “solutions”, and none of them ring very true.
But the last thing we need is for somebody to come along and tell us AGAIN how it is all OUR fault and how OBVIOUS it should have been that the people we voted for were actually evil or greedy or stupid or (worse) that WE have been evil or greedy or stupid.
See, if you want to vent your frustrations at us, go ahead,... and lose.
But if you want to “Restore America Now”, you’re going to have to practice a little empathy.
WE aren’t the enemy.
WE are the victims of the enemy.
The conspiracy has always thrived on turning us against one another; white against black, women against men, Democrat against Republican, young against old.
The conspiracy took over the media and academia before we were even out of diapers. And unless you are part of our generation, you will never know what it feels like to unlearn five decades of brainwashing. You will never know the pain of realizing that you have wasted your life destroying your own country.
So be gentle. Be kind. Be friendly.
We are on your side, we just don’t know it yet.
We don’t need to understand the Federal Reserve as much as we need to know that you CARE.
And if we can feel THAT, we will give you the time to explain all the rest.
We really DO need each other.
“We the People” always have.
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You stated Fact
We know who you are and take things like this with a grain of salt,Which we know is all the salt you should use at a serving,LOL. We got your back.
"You go and carry off the enemy's land; the enemy comes and carries off your land"-Ancient Sumerian tablet
I have to question how
subjective critical thoughts apply directly to collectivistic adjudication in the sense of any -ism.
You sound high
Jargon does not = intelligence
This cranky old woman thanks you from the bottom of my heart.
I devoted a career to providing health care for my elders. It was a privilege and an honor, and I WANT to see them live out their days released from the fear that has been rained upon them since, I have to guess, I was not there, but I will ballpark it at 1913.
For me, the fearmongering is crystallized in a memory of ducking under my desk practicing for a nuclear attack. Having taken hypnosis training since then, I have a better grasp of just how badly that warps a young mind. Our poor parents were trying to cope with a new technology, operating on the lies they had been told about it. They let us be beaten into fearful submission with nukes and Viet Nam, then it was Iraq and now we have entered the age of fear of disease: AIDS, new and improved hepatitis.... The young doctors coming into the field as I was leaving were literally afraid to touch their patients. Not a handshake, not a pat on the back. The people who gave us life and nurtured us are now sent of to Nursing Homes where their doctors are afraid of them. To hear RP say the youth have more scruples pains me, to hear the youth act like their elders have robbed them disgusts me. How old do you have to be before you understand that none of us would be here if it were not for those who came before us, and if NOTHING else, we owe them some thanks for feeding us when we were helpless little crying babies. (And if that shoe still fits, you really ought to grow up.)
Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0
Wonderful response fishyculture
BRAVO! And I agree 100%
STAND WITH RAND 2016
They HAVE been fearmongering.
And I remember having nightmares about nuclear wars as a child. I remember wishing that we had a fallout shelter in our basement.
Barry Goldwater lost his campaign in 1964 because of a TV ad showing a mushroom cloud over a little girl's face.
http://youtu.be/ExjDzDsgbww
It wouldn't be the first or last time that we gave up liberty for security and ended up with neither.
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The Virtual Conspiracy
Here's what I don't get -
why is it OK for boomers (and anyone else for that matter) to support the murder and torture of children and adults all over the world? There is no excuse for this type of denial.
It's a superstition.
Called "government." People think of it as a magical super-being, to whom normal rules of morality do not apply. Mass murder is acceptable when "government" calls it "national defense." Theft is acceptable when it's called "taxation." Bullying and enslavement are acceptable when called "law" or "regulation." We make all the evil done by "governments" possible, when we accept their moral right to do things that would not be morally acceptable if done by a "private" individual. When you discover that they are nothing more than thugs with badges, flags and uniforms, their legitimacy evaporates. It stops being okay for them to behave as vicious predators.
Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...
It isn't OK
The question is, how do we convince them to change? There are a lot of boomers (myself included) who have come around. The problem is, we need more. Understanding where they (we) are coming from is a start.
Thank You so Much spacehabitats
for this extremely important post as we struggle with this most critical problem.
We either come to grips with this issue or we fail.
That simple.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Never bought into the party system.
Knew it was a sham since college and always voted for the candidate. Stopped voting for years because there has not been anyone worth supporting till 4 years ago. Ron Paul is the person I have waited to rise to the top as long as I can remember thinking for myself.
beephree
Thank You
After reading this, I understand better why some of my aunts and uncles hesitate to support Dr. Paul. I hope more people will open their hearts and minds and see his message of truth.
R[ə٨٥٦]ution 2012!
Ron Paul apeal to young people
not older people is typical MSM bs propaganda, dont believe it no more than the polls, the news, the parties, and the elections. Its an entire phony system to lie and trick the people into continued debt slave existance to continue to submit to extorted theft called tax in the name of a false national debt jined up by a private bank for the profit of mostly foreign cimrinal banker families. Mostly of the Rothschild name. Most older people the baby boomers are on board and computer savy, its just one more of so many lies.
sovereign
Totally agree Sovereign Human
No message
...and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Cor. 3:17
You've provided a nice 'walk
You've provided a nice 'walk a mile in my shoes' insight into older Boomers but here's a question. 10,000 boomers retire every day and are on schedule to receive, in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, so many trillions in entitlements from now through their extended lifespans, that younger generations cannot pay the bill without significant , prolonged sacrifice. Will your peers allow cuts to their entitlements, or fight those cuts every step of the way? That will be the final judgement of Baby Boomers.
Speak for yourself.
Final Judgement of this Baby Boomers
Born into slavery. Dumbed down, druged up, false debt slaves whose fathers and grand fathers betrayed the country by allowing the ROthschild central slave bank, FED RESERVE back 1913, after Andrew Jackson worked so hard to get them out. Born betrayed, awakened later in life to fight back and leave the next generation with some truths, truths that were not available. as a Boomer I was taught that tax was volentary by my public schools, only to learn later that tax is realy extorted theft and enforced with prison. I grew up to learn later in life that the MSM was propagandizing us from youth, as a boomer at a later age I learned that the msm was all owned by the same pro Israel zionist Rothschild central promoting faction. I learned that our national elections have just been subverted and is just a puppet show and every president is installed not elected. We leave the next generations with lots of truths we did not have, but it aint over yet.
sovereign
That's a tough question
You see we put into the system and sacrificed all our working lives. Some put in twice what everyone else did if they were self employed and incorporated. The government has STOLEN ALL OF THAT from us. Why should we sacrifice when the money is really there? The money is being spent on wars and entitlement programs for people that never paid into the system. We should not have to give up what we worked for and don't think we should. Think about it. The money is there and was there but they stole it from us and continue to steal it from us. Your fight should be to stop the theft and give us back what they stole from us by stopping wars, overseas spending and entitlements and waste.
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
The money isn't there. Study
The money isn't there. Study unfunded liabilities. I support massive government cuts, even moderately beyond Ron and Rand but EVEN THOSE CUTS, which are extremely unlikely to be agreed to by the public, do not change the reality: future generations will sacrifice unduly for the entitlements promised to Boomers unless Boomers acquiesce to reductions. Will they?
Speak for yourself.
GAO
Maybe read the GAO reports and see where the money is. The reason SSA isn't paid on the first of the month is because other agencies don't receive their funds until later in the month--to repay their IOUs.
So one was paid for the full month of birth (years ago), then it became no payment until the next month (paid in arrears), but then a person is deemed to have died a full month before they died and lose 2 months of benefits.
mickey45
One
they are not "entitlements" they are pension funds, just the same as any IRA. I have already sacrificed $1000 a month, another reduction of 35%, an additional tax burden of 17% and now you ask will I take another? No, take it away from the true "entitlement" people, those on generational welfare.
Welfare recipients have a much higher income than most of us do. Housing is guaranteed, food is guaranteed, even legal services are guaranteed. With seniors receiving $1000 a month and having to pay for all the above, how do you justify your question?
Until more youth have respect for those of us that actually did pay into a pension fund to buffer us against welfare, there is no even ground. The answer you are asking us to give is to put us into a welfare system (costing more), something all of us have paid and paid so we would never be in that position. It's called pride.
I will ask you though, for every $100 you personally put in a bank, are you willing to withdraw it for $35 and say the rest is for the common good?
mickey45
Study Kotlikoff, study
Study Kotlikoff, study Walker. The money isn't there, even if your cuts to generational welfare are enacted.
Speak for yourself.
Wait, so you're saying that you're pissed because the
fruits of YOUR labor are being stolen, but those who have had THEIR labor stolen for the past 40+ years are viewed as being selfish, and should sacrifice what has been taken from them by force for decades? Why don't THEY have the right to be pissed? Because....???? Because YOUR labor is somehow more "special" than theirs?
You are directing your anger at the victims of the system instead of at the system itself. What a selfish, ungrateful generation yours is.
I never said I was pissed. I
I never said I was pissed. I never said my labor is being stolen. I never said Boomers have no right to be pissed. I never said I was more special. I never said I wasn't a Boomer. Get a clue.
Why don't you respond to what I did say about the math.
Speak for yourself.
Thank you!
I am 57 and you expressed that perfectly! I deeply related to this:
"...The conspiracy took over the media and academia before we were even out of diapers. And unless you are part of our generation, you will never know what it feels like to unlearn five decades of brainwashing. You will never know the pain of realizing that you have wasted your life destroying your own country..."
We did not have the internet to look to for truth, only those who betrayed our trust.
Nor will they will ever fully understand the grief and anger this generates...
If my need to be RIGHT is greater then my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle
I'd hesitate to say what other people can fully understand...
But expounding upon experiences we haven't had does help with the realization of what kind of mental maze that might be.
No Disrespect Intended...
My point was, one can only imagine what any experience feels like if they have not, themselves, experienced it. simple as that...but I agree that detailed explanations, such as this, help generate the empathy required for a measure of understanding.
If my need to be RIGHT is greater then my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle
Ex// Simple 15 Minute Chat That Did Wonders!
Last weekend I drove out to a local river where a ferry comes across so that I could do some touring on the other side. As I was sitting in my car and the boat was pulling away I decided to walk out and hand out brochures.
A few people took them without a word and some refused them outright with a shake of the head. At the window of one car I was confronted by an older gentleman who as soon as he saw Ron Paul's face flat out stated: "He's a nut and he would destroy our country!"
I had to pause here since this was a bit outside my comfort zone. "Well why do you think that?" It eventually came out that he was 80 years old and a Marine vet with a distinguished career. We talked for almost 15 minutes and by the end I thik that I had made him realize that I was at least not a nut, and perhaps he was wrong.
He then asked for a brochure (which he had refused before) and said that he would give him a second look.
This is how we win folks. JUST TALK WITH PEOPLE. Explain clearly why we fight for liberty and you cannot lose.
"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."
-Jimmy Stewart
Yes
communication, not "old people" are dumb and uneducated.
mickey45
Bingo!
That's how to do it.
I'm one of the younger boomers
At 51 I'm considered a tail end boomer and I agree with your post. The level of propaganda we endured from birth is downright scary. I was absolutely convinced that America's destiny was to be the great policeman of the world. It wasn't until Gitmo and the Patriot Act started to shake me a bit that there was any hope of breaking through my thick skull.
If you want us on your side, you can't convince us by yelling at us, we are far to stubborn for that. Calm appeals to Constitutional principles are more likely to work for some of us, at least that is what worked for me. The chink in the neocon armor is that they claim to support the Constitution. If you can show that they don't, thinking people will see the truth.