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Must Watch: The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

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The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

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Every Paul supporter needs to watch this

I worked the phone bank for Ron Paul last election. The first couple days, the questions and objections were all over the board. Then on a Sunday afternoon, all the sudden nearly every objection was about Israel. It was obvious to me that the Christian preachers had been pounding this one in their sermons. You need the knowledge to counter this argument, please educate yourselves.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

"The Roots of Christian Zionism" also on YouTube

Also featured on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO6VpMYAVms

This thing has me ALL fired up....3 weeks after it was posted!

...it is resurrecting old Wednesday night Bible studies in my mind ... BINGO ... I found it...here it is ... Constantine used RELIGION to unite a nation that was falling apart

Hello - Captain OBVIOUS...are you there?

one need not watch this to know that it is what's going on

Anyone that pays attention already knows -It would help sheep that are trying to break out of the sheep mode. Pretty sad so many Christians take marching orders from somebody else and fail to think for themselves.

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

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Nicoliatanism Part 2

Where do today's Christian Republicans get their arrogance from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-vaQ8l2Tw&context=C35bcf57A...

Your responded video on Nicoliatanism is wrong

Your responded video on Nicoliatanism is wrong on saying Nicolaism is about separating clergy from the laity. The word derives from the followers of the deacon Nicolas, teaching libertine Gnosticism. Click on the first link after googling Nicolaism at the Wikipedia site. Do some fact checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

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I don't think this is the WRONG understanding, or biblical exposition of what Nicoliatinism is....or Jesus would have said: follow not after "Nicolas"....or some commentator would have said the same.

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There is no other first-hand evidence to give us certainty about the nature of this sect....it says....

What's wrong with the GREEK "conquer the laity" teaching????

You don't think erudite intellectuals make merchandise out of peopl, like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones are doing now?

They have CREDIBILITY because of the exterior appearance by way of displaying unto us their EXPENSIVE media empires and material possessions of todays technology; they dazzle us with fair speeches and high-minded knowledge that they have "studied for YEARS" so much so that
the layman can only praise them, nod their head in agreement, get behind them, promote their "church", and sit at their feet....never challenging them because we are poor and under-educated.

I'll fight back against this rip, that I do "fact checking" before I promote this pastor's teaching on this issue, because we see the SAME pattern today in academia, theological circles, denominational church hierarchies, and NOW the liberty movement media empires dividing us and competing for our dollars!!

The little man, the INDIVIDUAL, is what has to rise up against deception that comes in all forms..and Satan's number one sucker method is the COUNTERFEIT church, with his angels of light and ministers of righteousness selling heresy by sticking a little leaven in.

fascinating topic

many good responses.

Your responded video on Nicoliatanism is wrong

Your responded video on Nicoliatanism is wrong on saying Nicolaism is about separating clergy from the laity. The word derives from the followers of the deacon Nicolas, teaching libertine Gnosticism. Click on the first link after googling Nicolaism at the Wikipedia site. Do some fact checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

This is a game changer!

I think EVERY Christian needs to see this video. I think Ron Paul would win MOST of the Christian votes just on the lies they have been taught to believe by these pastors (wolves in sheep's clothing). This heresy has been going on for 100+ years.

What a coincidence, at the Fabian Socialist's - London School of Economics, their stain glass window, depicts an image of the wolf in sheep's clothing. For those not aware of the school, this is the world's premiere Keynesian economic school.

Normally, this is the kind of thread

which I would be active in.

But after reading the state of confusion that comprises this thread's comments, I feel it is best if I just stay out of it.

Carry on.

don't hold back.

if you have something interesting/contrary whatever, just put it out there, someone might benefit.

nobody is going to go much beyond these introductory posts, without a lot of their own research anyway.

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I have no interest in discussing this...

But it does NOT belong in the RP2012 forum. It belongs in off topic at best.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

Fellow believers please bear with my rant

The bible says plainly that if you are not Christ’s then you are not of Abraham’s seed (a Jew).

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Therefore it also holds true that if you are not Christ’s, whether Jew or Greek, you are NOT Abraham’s seed (a Jew).

Now Abram became a Jew (Abraham, the father of the Jews) because of obedience not because of his race, nationality or bloodline. Abram didn’t make himself a Jew (Abraham), he was made a Jew by an act of God in response to his obedience. Now if Abram could be made a Jew (Abraham) by his obedience, he also would have NOT been a Jew by disobedience.

Now the same holds true for the children of Abraham: what’s good for the father is good for the children of the father. Thus, the sons of Abraham (Jews) can only be made Jews by an act of God in response to their obedience. That’s why it says, “Therefore know that ONLY those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. … And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

So being a “Jew”, as like Abraham, never had anything to do with race, nationality or bloodline but it is an act of God bestowed upon an individual in response to his/her obedience. So all can become Jews, “Abraham’s seed” no matter what their bloodline (like Abram) by an act of God because of their obedience (which requires faith in Christ), because faith without obedience (loyalty to Christ) is useless.

So those people you see over there (Sephardic or Ashkenazi) may call themselves Jews but if they are not Christ’s they are not of Abraham’s seed therefore they are NOT Jews.

I am a real Jew.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

I never understood...

the passages in the book of Revelation where Christ warns the churches against those who call themselves Jews, but really are not.

I thought those passages were so strange because I couldn't understand why anyone would call themself a Jew if they were not one. Now, since I've learned about Dispensationalism, I understand.

Minnesota Mary

A "spiritual Jew" is the same as a Christian

and the people that live in "Israel" today are NOT God's chosen people.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

You are correct….

But a servant of Christ (as you refer to as “Christian") is not referred to by the apostle Paul as a “spiritual” Jew but simply as “a Jew” when he says, “but he is a Jew who is one inwardly.”

And you are correct when you say “the people that live in 'Israel' today are NOT God's chosen people.” For they are those referred to by the apostle Paul simply as “not a Jew” when he says, “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly….”

If “Christians” would take this scripture at face value this whole “Christian Zionism” thing would end immediately.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

In reality the term 'Jew' is a misnomner, as its meaning

is shortened from Judean's. Judea was a geographical area, that had nothing to do with religion or race of people, as there were many other religions and races in Judea. The term Judeo-Christian is also a misnomer, as Christianity didn't dirive from Judaism. Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees, the Talmud, and the Torah (OT). Do you really thing Christ disired to have his people follow the Pharisees, who He staunchly confronted as usurpers of the teachings of Moses? Read this article 'The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition' http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4803.htm

You are correct...

Of course Christ did not want his people to follow the teachings of the Pharisees and neither did Paul when he said "a Jew is one inwardly." And obviously Paul was not referring to all the "other religions and races in Judea" when he said “a Jew is one inwardly.”

Now for the purpose of simplicity (some are confused enough as it is) I chose not to delve into the subject matter regarding origins and original meaning but I thank you for bringing this up as it supports the noble purpose of this discussion: to dissuade "Christians" from supporting war in the Middle East.

"There is not a person in the whole English-speaking world today who regards a "Jew" as a "Judean" in the literal sense of the Word. That was the correct and only meaning of the word in the 18th century . . ." (Facts Are Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, p. 15-21).

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm

Also the term "Christian" was not recognized as a label by the original followers of Christ and was a term invented by the heathen and used as a reproach.

Of course "in reality" it matters little what people call themselves since every individual will stand before God and give account for what they do.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

Christians are NOT Jews, but they ARE God's Chosen People

You are misconstruing the terms "Jew" and "Israelite."

The Jews (at least some) ARE the actual descendents of Abraham, but they were instructed to follow God's Laws, including teaching the Gentiles about God.

God WARNED them that they would be punished if they disobeyed Him or forsook Him, and many did. So, he punished them by taking away their promised land, and instead sent his Son Jesus Christ as their Savior. Those Jews who accepted Christ as the Messiah were saved and became Christians, while those who refused to believe that Jesus was indeed the Messiah were punished by God and cast out once and for all in 70AD when he destroyed their Temple. Those Jews who still refused to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior were / are still Jews, and they CAN STILL BE SAVED by accepting Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

"Israel," the "Promised Land" actually became The Church, the Universal Kingdom of Jesus Christ on earth, through which Salvation may be obtained by ANYONE, Gentile or Jew, who has Faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

To say believers in Jesus Christ are "Israelites" makes sense, since "Israel" was the promise of God to his Chosen People, and His Chosen People are ALL Humankind who have accepted His Son Jesus Christ as their Savior.

But NOT all Christians (believers in Jesus Christ) are Jews, because God FIRST chose Abraham and his people to spread the message of God, and ONLY they (Monotheists) were Jews, while everyone else (Pagans) were Gentiles who did not yet know the Word of God. Just because some Jews disobeyed God's Commandments DOES NOT mean they were completely cut-off from Abraham's seed like you claim. No, God sent His Son Jesus Christ to save them, and when they do accept Jesus they become Christians and re-join God's Realm on earth within The Church, also known as "Israel" or the promise fulfilled.

So, you are wrong; a Jew who accepts Christ is a Christian Jew, just like a Pagan Roman who accepted Christ was a Christian Gentile. If you are going to accept the Bible literally, then you cannot say that "Abraham's seed was cut off" and imply that Abraham's actual seed magically turned documented Gentiles (Pagans) into "Jews." That makes NO SENSE!

Christians = Israelites (receivers of God's Promise) - OK!

Christians = Jews - NOT!

A Jew in the way Jews mean IS a nationality / race, just like a German or Irish person means it. As for the descendents of the Khazars, that's another debate entirely. But there are actual descendents of Abraham who do not accept Jesus who actually are still Jews, but they are no more special or "Chosen" than any other human; they are NOT, however, "Israelites" since they forsook God and he tossed them out of His Kingdom just like he said he would.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

"You are misconstruing the terms 'Jew' and 'Israelite.'

Nope.... Physical "Jews" are decedents of the 12 tribes of Israel (Israelites). And if one does not belong to Christ he/she is not of Abraham's seed (an Israelite... some refer to them as Jews). The only thing that's over there now is dirt... with a lot of blood mixed in.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

Are you referring to the "lost" tribes?

God broke those genealogical ties so none could claim superiority as the Zionists and fake Jews currently do.
There are No "true" Jews. only those who profess to practice the Talmud,Torah, Kabala.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

"...only those who profess to practice the Talmud, Torah"

"There are No "true" Jews. only those who profess to practice the Talmud,Torah, Kabala.."

I just provided a scripture that clearly states after the resurrection of Christ, “he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; … And “ONLY those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. … And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Since the resurrection of Jesus Christ being a Jew no longer has anything to do with the flesh or those who “profess to practice the Talmud,Torah, Kabala.” Only those who belong to Christ can be “a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter.”

These scriptures are very plain. Christ, because He was tortured to death, has the sole authority to decide who is of Abraham’s seed, who is a Jew, just like He had the sole authority during the time of Abram to change Abram to Abraham (father of the Jews) because of his obedience irregardless of his flesh (race or ethnicity).

The New Covenant changes everything... it's a better covenant because ALL can become Jews by belonging to Christ and those who do not belong to Christ... Christ considers them NOT Jews.

There are not two programs of salvation running simultaneously (one for those belonging to Christ and one for the "Jews")... there is only one program of salvation and it is administered on an individual basis not on a collective basis (according to one's race, ethnicity, label etc...). There is only One Door and each individual will either find it because their unique pathway (road) leads them to it or they will not because their unique pathway leads them astray.

This is why Christ says, "...narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

Ares we saying the same thing in different ways?

One is a Christian for the very reasons that Paul stated and you quoted. One is Jew, Morman, JW or athiest by the doctrine they aspouse. Self proclimation/affiliation. Christ adopts His own through ones repentance, acceptance and relationship. Doctrine will embrace or deny these keys. Christ doesn't decide who is Jew. As Paul said, the name "Jew" doesn't mean jack to Jesus any more than the word gentile. Its only the heart He considers. When the lable becomes crucial, the individual has become arrogant pompus and likely prejudice. The relationship is thus questionable.

A patriot must always be prepared to defend his country from his government.

"When the lable becomes crucial..."

"When the lable becomes crucial, the individual has become arrogant pompus and likely prejudice. The relationship is thus questionable."

Yes exactly... we probably are saying the same thing. I only use the term "Jew" in the same manner Paul does for the purpose of explanation meaning Jew "inwardly".

Also when you say “One is a Christian for the very reasons that Paul stated....” Well “Christian” too is a label… a label that was not invented by believers but by the unbelieving heathen. The original believers were first given the label “Christian” at Antioch as a reproach… The original believers never labeled themselves “Christian.” (I do not call myself a Christian either but that is another subject). But many believers today do label themselves "Christian" and perhaps the same thing may be said as Paul said only exchanging "Jew" for "Christian" by saying, “but he is a [Christian] who is one inwardly.”

Just as you said... it's not the outer label that matters it's what's on the inside which is why Christ said "you will know them by their fruits" not their label.

Now since those who are of Christ are of Abraham’s seed as I referenced earlier, then in the Spirit, "inwardly", they can bear all the labels of the 12 tribes of Israel just as they are described in Revelation: “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads…” And John then goes on to say he “heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed” And then it goes on to name each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

So this shows that the servants of Christ who were sealed, who belong to Christ thus they are Abraham’s seed, bear all the names of the 12 tribes of Israel. And just as Paul said a true Jew (Abraham's seed) is one "inwardly", this scripture shows that those of Christ are of ALL Abraham's seed... all the 12 tribes of Israel... "inwardly." This is the new covenant.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

Abraham was neither a Jew

nor an Israelite. He was a Hebrew and a follower of the one true God. The term Israelite refers to the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob, Abraham's GRANDSON. The term God gave Jacob the name Isreal after he wrestled with the angel.

Modern Jews are neither Hebrew, or Israelite.