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Must Watch: The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

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The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy

http://vimeo.com/29901084

There are a lot of Christians struggling
with the war issue. They need to watch this
film so they can help to undo the lies.

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Yes you are right

He was the father of the Jews and the father of the Israelites but he was not referred to as a Jew or an Israelite. In the same way now “only” (excluding all others) those who are Christ’s are Abraham’s seed but Abraham was not referred to as “Christ’s”. But now Abraham, like his seed, is also “Christ’s” and can be referred to as "Christ's"

And "only" he/she who is "Christ's" is truly of Abraham’s seed and can be referred to as a "Jew".

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.”

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

Beware of Judaizers!

The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant (Mosaic Laws).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers

Paul also addressed this question in his Epistle to Galatians in which he condemned those who insisted that the proselyte ritual had to be followed for justification as "false believers" (Galatians 2:4):

But even Titus, who was with me, was not compelled to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. But because of false believers secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might enslave us – we did not submit to them even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might always remain with you. And from those who were supposed to be acknowledged leaders (what they actually were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality) – those leaders contributed nothing to me. On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel for the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter making him an apostle to the circumcised also worked through me in sending me to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who were acknowledged pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. They asked only one thing, that we remember the poor, which was actually what I was eager to do. . . . We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is justified not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law. (Galatians 2:3–10, 15-16 NRSV)

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

The 1st verse of Galatians 3

"you foolish Galatians who has bewitched you"

Same could be said for some "c"hristians. Not "C"hristians.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

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Thank you for posting this...

Had seen it sometime ago, and I wanted to send it to someone today and could NOT recall how to find it! A lovely "coincidence"...and someday, I'll share the definition of that word...given by a black minister I happened to meet many years ago!

Susie 4 Liberty

I Love Coincidences!

I've been having huge success showing
this to people and opening their eyes.

A Lot of Christians are really struggling
with this.

A lot of confusion is lifting.

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Another Film worth checking out

With God On Our Side
Analyzes and explains Christian Zionism, the American political union with Warvangelicals and Zionist Jews, it is a documentary about how American Evangelicals are actually persecuting Middle Eastern Arab CHRISTIANS!

It is an on-the-ground documentary of what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING in Palestine in the name of "Christianity."

It is a joint Orthodox Christian and Protestant film.

http://www.reginaorthodoxpress.com/wigodonoursi.html

http://withgodonourside.com/

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Scripture: Old vs. New Covenant

This entire page explains the truth about Biblical Israel vs the modern nation-state. It's not too long a read, but it is based in Scripture and explains A LOT of this confusion. I'll just copy here the first, most important section regarding God and the Jews.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/zionism.html

God does not owe the Jews any land or protection.

Zionism is based on the faulty assumption that God still owes the Jews the land He promised to give to Abraham’s descendants. Scripture, however, teaches that God has already fulfilled His promises to the Jews. For example, regarding the land in question, God says through Joshua:

“Thus the LORD gave to Israel all the land which he swore to give to their fathers; and having taken possession of it, they settled there” (Jos. 21:43).

God also declares through Solomon that all his promises to Israel have been fulfilled:

"Blessed be the LORD who has given rest to his people Israel, according to all that he promised; not one word has failed of all his good promise, which he uttered by Moses his servant” (1 Kings 8:56).

God further says through the prophet Nehemiah that His promise to grant the land to Abraham’s descendants has been fulfilled:

“Thou art the LORD, the God who didst choose Abram and bring him forth out of Ur of the Chalde'ans and give him the name Abraham; and thou didst find his heart faithful before thee, and didst make with him the covenant to give to his descendants the land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Per'izzite, the Jeb'usite, and the Gir'gashite; and thou hast fulfilled thy promise, for thou art righteous” (Neh. 9:7-8).

Thus, those who believe that God still owes the Jews land and protection by divine decree deny the plain meaning of Scripture and make God a liar.

In fact, the loss of Israel’s ancient holdings is a sign of God’s divine judgment against the Jews for rejecting His Son, Jesus Christ, their Messiah. God warned Israel in the Old Testament Scriptures:

“But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children, and do not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods and worship them, then I will cut off Israel from the land which I have given them; and the house which I have consecrated for my name I will cast out of my sight; and Israel will become a proverb and a byword among all peoples. And this house will become a heap of ruins; everyone passing by it will be astonished, and will hiss; and they will say, `Why has the LORD done thus to this land and to this house?' Then they will say, `Because they forsook the LORD their God who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore the LORD has brought all this evil upon them.’” (1 Kings 9:6-9).

Scripture is clear that God owes the Jews nothing more, and suggests that the Jews are suffering the ramifications of rejecting Jesus Christ. They have been “broken off” of the root of Christ “because of their unbelief” (Rom. 11:19-20). However, Paul says that the Jews can be grafted in again, “if they do not persist in their unbelief,” for God has the power to do so (Rom. 11:23).

We should also note that the Old Covenant that God entered into with the Jews has been superseded by the New Covenant of Christ (the Church calls this doctrine “supercessionism”). This happened the moment that God tore the curtain of the Jewish Temple in two (Matt. 27:51). When we speak of the “Old Covenant,” we are referring to the “Mosaic covenant,” that is, the law that God gave the Jews through Moses (see 2 Cor. 3:14). We are not referring to the Abrahamic covenant which, because it was based on grace through faith, was incorporated into the New Covenant of Christ. This is why Paul says that Abraham is the father of the children of the New Covenant (see Rom. 4:16; 9:7; Gal. 3:29; James 2:21; see also Gal. 3:9,14,16,18).

The only place where the phrase “Old Covenant” is used in the New Testament is in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians, and Paul says that “through Christ it is taken away” (see 2 Cor. 3:14). Referring to the abrogation of the Old Covenant, Paul tells the Hebrews that “a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness” (Heb. 7:18). The phrase “set aside” (from the Greek aphetesis) means to annul. Again, referring to the Old Covenant, Paul says “He abolishes the first in order to establish the second” (Heb. 10:9). The word “abolish” (from the Greek anaireo) means to abrogate or destroy. Paul uses very specific language to teach that the Old Covenant has been rendered null and void by the New Covenant of Jesus Christ (see also Heb. 8:7).

This means that the Jews are no longer in a saving covenant with God until they renounce Judaism and are baptized into Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church has affirmed this fact throughout her history (e.g., the Council of Florence; the Council of Trent; Second Vatican Council, Pius XII’s Mystici Corporis). Thus, even though the Second Vatican Council affirmed a person’s civil (but not moral) right to religious liberty, it taught that the Church must preach the gospel to the Jews, as she does to everyone else (Nostra Aetate, 23).

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Scofield is a red herring

I disagree with the premise. The Scofield Reference Bible has little to do with the Israeli government (really, the Likud Party) fetish so prevalent among evangelical Christians in the GOP.

The Scofield Bible, especially in its original edition, remains a useful tool for Bible understanding. I think the dispensationalism of Scofield and Dallas Seminary is overstated and I'm no longer sure when the rapture will occur or what it will involve, but this school of theology did contribute something valuable in its careful study of the prophetic books, especially in its pointing out that Daniel is a key to better understanding Revelation. Also, dispensationalism was, along with the Princeton Seminary group of Calvinists, part of the movement that stood for orthodoxy (doctrinal truth) during the period in which modernists took control of most major denominations. Those of us who recognize the value of Scripture owe them something for that.

Finally, Scofield and the dispensationalists are correct in saying that God has not forgotten his promises to the Jewish people. The OT promises can't just be spiritualized or all applied to the Church. That's convenient but too self-serving and not faithful to the scriptural record. Israel as an ethnic and historical entity did not disappear with the first advent and promises given to Israel did not simply vanish. I believe in the Last Days we will see a consummation of those promises in a way that includes not only the Church but also Israel. Jesus Christ will reign from Jerusalem but it won't be Jewish kingdom, it will be a universal kingdom that includes the believing remnant of Israel (no admission ticket just because of ethnicity; there never was; it always required faith--that's the point of Hebrews). According to Revelation, the New Jerusalem will bear the names of the twelve apostles of Christ AND the twelve tribes of Israel. Both. There's no contradiction. There's a unity.

The political Zionists (and I use the term loosely because modern Zionism is largely a secular, atheistic movement that has little to do with ancient Israel...except in perhaps a negative way, in the way that modern Israeli leaders usually resemble the evil Israelite kings) are not taking their marching orders from Scofield or the dispensational movement. Of the many evangelicals I've gotten to know during the past 30 years, I'm the only one who owns a Scofield Bible, to my knowledge. It's not a common item of study or interest.

Dispensationalism is a small sub-section of evangelicalism. Far more evangelicals are influenced by the teachings of Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Hagee, etc. than Scofield, Darby, Chafer, Walvoord, etc. That's just a fact. It's true that the televangelists have embraced a watered- and dumbed-down version of dispensational eschatology, but even that wasn't handed directly down from Scofield. It's mostly just an emphasis on "Jesus is coming back soon. Israel's re-founding in 1948 was a sign of the End. America must be Israel's friend." Not a lot of theology there.

For most evangelicals, the Israel glorification comes far more out of Genesis than the Day of the Lord chapters in Daniel, the rapture passage in I Thessalonians, or the tribulation/millennial chapters in Revelation. It's as simple as that "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" promise that God made to Abraham. It's a simplistic and worldly reading of that. It's an ignoring of Ishmael in favor of giving all blessing to Isaac (and then Jacob/Israel). It's an ignoring of the fact that Arabs are also Semites--cousins of the Jews. It's a mis-identification of Abraham and the tribes of Israel with the modern Israeli state (largely founded by atheists; it was the orthodox Jews who wanted to wait for the Messiah/Christ to come to re-establish the throne of David who opposed Zionism during the 100 years before 1948). It's a primary loyalty to the USA (i.e., the government of the USA) and a downplaying of the Church. It's an obsession with worldly geopolitics, including its deceit and violence, at the expense of the Kingdom of God.

Which brings me to my next point:

There's also a misconception about premillennialists and war. Secular liberals misunderstand it and I guess a lot of Ron Paul supporters misunderstand it too. I've never heard a single Christian during the past 35 years say, "Let's start a war to spark Armageddon so Jesus will return!" It's just not said or thought. There may be an isolated kook or two somewhere who thinks like that, but that's not mainstream evangelical or premillennial thought. Premillennial evangelicals understand that the timing is in God's hands, not our's.

The bloodlust expressed by so many Christians at the S.C. debate was disgusting but it had nothing to do with their view of Bible prophecy -- or their affection for the Scofield Reference Bible (99% unknown among that crowd, I'm guessing). It was simply part of their Muslim fear/hatred and their idolatrous devotion to the American Empire ("American exceptionalim"). You can't blame that on Scofield and changing their view on the rapture will have no effect on their U.S./Israel flag-waving. They're Christians but bad Christians in the sense of actually following Christ.

If we want to change their mind on foreign policy, start with the foundation of what Christ actually taught and practiced. He's the Prince of Peace, not War. He said Blessed are the peace makers, not war makers. They don't understand or really believe that. It's a rejection of Christ, not Ron Paul, really. They booed the Golden Rule, after all! Shameful. But it's linked to deeper issues, including the fact that very few in Christendom have been pacifists or even peace-minded since the 4th century "conversion" of Constantine and the widespread fall of the institutional church. Where would these Christians be learning their love of peace? Not at your average church. Churches and denominations who recognize that peace is an important component of Christ's kingdom are few and far between. That's the underlying problem. It influences Bible interpretation. People are raised to not read the Sermon on the Mount or to assume that it doesn't mean what it says. Even Paul's exhortations to leave vengeance to God and to wage war with spiritual, not worldly/carnal, weapons are ignored. Don't blame this on Scofield!

D.L. Moody was a premillennialist who talked about the second coming but he remained a pacifist throughout his life--a conscientious objector during the Civil War, and he continued his "Quaker" view for the remainder of his days. My own turning away from knee-jerk support for the Pentagon and GOP saber-rattling (including support for the most hawkish Israeli leaders) was strongly influenced by Scofield and other premillennialists. They stressed "Love not the world" and the idea that Satan is the ruler of the present age. That meant that the U.S. government, which is part of the world, and the Israeli government as well, was not be given a blank check, in terms of trust or loyalty. It helped me see through the propaganda and the patriotic idolatry (I remain a patriot in some ways, but in a more limited, less statist sense of the word.)

So don't assume dispensationalism or premillennialism will make one more militaristic or nationalistic. Properly understand, it will have the opposite effect. A.C. Gaebelein (one of the editors of the Scofield Bible) with World War I and Watchman Nee (influenced by Darby and the Plymouth Brethren) with the Chinese-Japanese War are examples other examples of this.

I read this thread the other day because the title caught my eye. It reminded me how a flier distributed at the Christian college at which I teach, which hosted Rick Santorum before the Iowa caucuses, bashed Santorum's militarism and pro-Israeli-government (I specify "government" because not all Israelis believe in violence and injustice, and a minority are actually sincere believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). The flier blamed Scofield for all of this. That's absurd. Santorum is a lifelong Roman Catholic, not an evangelical Protestant. Few Catholics have any interest in Bible prophecy and they are not raised to study Scripture carefully, especially books like Daniel and Revelation. How would Scofield have influenced Santorum?!

Unless I'm missing some piece of the puzzle, Santorum's support for Israel has nothing to do with eschatology. It's either genuine love of the American Empire, with Israel as a cog in the empire (just as it played a role during the Cold War, while the Soviets backed the Arabs), it's cynical pandering to evangelical Protestants, or it's cynical pandering to remain on the gravy train of AIPAC and the Israeli-government lobby. Probably all three.

I don't know why I bother to write all this. I suppose I'll get blasted. But here it is. My two cents from a political scientist who has admired Ron Paul since 1976 and continues to support him. Even when his fellow supporters and I sometimes disagree on theology! But that's the beauty of liberty and peace, isn't it?

Dispensations

If interested, check out E.W. Bullinger's Companion Bible (if you aren't already aware of it). The administrations of God are simply:
Paradise
Patriarchal
Prophets
Law Administration
Grace or Church Administration
Tribulation or Wrath
Paradise Restored (new heaven & new earth)

We are currently in the Grace Administration (God be thanked) as given and recorded by the Apostle Paul. This period ends when Christ returns FOR his Church and we will MEET HIM IN THE AIR. Later, in the Wrath period, at some point, Christ returns WITH his church and angels to the earth. Setting things in order for a while... (1000 years, many say). Then the bound Devil will be released for his final act. Blessings!

StretchMac

I'm not blasting you

Good entry fair and balanced.

Scofield based on a MIS-TRANSLATION of the Greek!!!

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/zionism.html

But Paul is not speaking about the timing of the conversions; he is speaking about the manner of the conversions. When Paul says “and so all Israel will be saved,” the Greek word for “so” (houtos) is an adverb which means “in the same manner,” and modifies the verb “will be saved.” Thus, houtos describes how Israel will be saved, not when Israel will be saved. In certain Protestant translations, “so” is erroneously translated as “then,” which contributes to the confusion and Zionist bias of a future conversion.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Speaking of Greek:

The Greek word, all, in this passage is pas, meaning all -with distinction. (Hapas: is all without exception). What distiction, then? "And so (in this manner) all Israel (with distinction) shall be saved". First, in what manner, is described in the previuos verses beginning at Romans 9:1.
Briefly, the manner is, by recognizing that the law could not make man righteous. That Jesus Christ was and is the messiah. That man could only become righteous before God by accepting Jesus as Lord and BELIEVING that God raised him from the dead. This was the salvation promised (the new birth). The all in verse 9:26 refers to ALL of Israel who believe this newly revealed mystery (new light or rather new administration of God) regarding salvation through Jesus Christ.

StretchMac

interesting info. Perhaps

interesting info. Perhaps explains a bit why a peace loving RP receives only a small fraction of the "Christian" votes.

The Thirteenth Tribe and the Khazar Myth DEBUNKED

An excellent film DEBUNKING the myth that the Khazars migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of western Jewry.

The Thirteenth Tribe and the Khazar Myth DEBUNKED-Full Version at http://ping.fm/rEWM6

Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ;
Dave

"where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17

http://www.lionandlambministry.com

All religions are lies, so I don't care if there is a lie about

a religion.

Seek out spiritual wisdom that frees you...not religious dogma that enslaves you.

Spiritual Wisdom.

R-R, please inform us where we can find this spiritual wisdom that frees us, and also about its source.
I hope its not some form of ego-booster, that would be the opposite of the spiritual kind. We had heard earlier that =
"The Truth Shall Set You Free".

Look for the spiritural wisdom that religions derived from

Nearly all relgions are perverted forms of spiritual wisdom systems.

Study zen, yoga, pre-judaism beliefs, etc.

Or just go new age or even self-reflection...spiritual wisdom is pretty much all the same and within us all. It sort of like Star Trek's Force: "It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."

Frankly, there is tremendous spiritual wisdom in the Ron Paul Revolution.

"Star Trek's Force"??????

I can't believe no one caught me saying "Star Trek's Force". This site failed the geek challenge.

Pre-Judaism Beliefs.

R-R, thank you for your attention and response. I can fully agree with you on pre-judaism beliefs, but we will have difficulty in finding the original documents, the authentic ones. As we were reading in this thread that jokers/yokers like Scofield sowed seeds of apostasy, corrupted the texts, inserted false doctrines & tales.
Yes, from reflection and observation we find that Natural Laws have Not changed thru the ages, they remain the same. Vile priests changed the teachings, rules, words & names.

So we can say to = O' children of Adam, make not an issue of who has the best religion, nor that of who has 'privilege' or are the 'chosen ones'. The question is - who is earnest & close, in seeking & following The Truth, which is Not the monopoly of any Per'Son or Per'Cent. Truth is only from The One and only Creator - Lord of the Universe. All those who follow their natural instincts, like the cry of an innocent orphan with a devotion to seek the Light, are blessed and will find the Safe Way. So let there be no opPression on grounds of faith. In Light you see and feel, the abundance and richness, in True Relation.

There is also much spiritual wisdom in religious text

Though religion perverts spiritual wisdom, a smart religion retains much of the original, valid spiritual wisdom.

So I do read quite a bit of religious scripture...I just don't become a "follower" of any particular organization or person.

Frankly, the path of spirituality requires you to be your own spiritual leader. Seek answers from many, but never give up reason and never give up free will.

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Great Stuff

but, I like the original slideshow better. Same content/author, but presented differently...if you have 45 minutes to an hour...
http://whtt.org/show

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them".
Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Rand Paul
and others.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

This was a great film. Thanks

This was a great film. Thanks for posting. Yes, all Christian neocons should view it.

bookmarking for later

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Modern Jews

"The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler is a great resource that details the Khazarian ancestry of modern day Jews occupying the nation of Israel. They are not a people of of Semetic bloodline...

StretchMac

Preterist

I came out preterist. I am just happy the quiz maker even knew what that was.

Most modern "Jews"

Are actually Caucasians from northern Turkey/Eastern Europe.

Any semitic blood is likely from them mixing with muslims, not from them being a direct descendent of Abraham. Genetic studies by the Israelis themselves have been inconclusive at best.

Jews are just eastern Europeans/caucasians following a Talmudic Judaism they inherited from the Khazarian Empire, they are not the "children of Israel". I have nothing against Jews, it's Zionism that is dangerous. There are many anti-zionist Rabbis out there who rightly see zionism as an existential threat to judaism. Google them, they exist, and have a LOT to say.

What about Ishmael - Abraham's first son??

Abraham loved Ishmael just as much as he loved Isaac (Genesis 21:9-13), and Ishmael (the ancestor of the Arab people) and his descendants were loved and blessed by God (Genesis 21:13,18) just as were the descendants of Isaac (the ancestor of the Jews, and other Israelites of the other 11 tribes), but in a different way, for a different purpose.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020120.htm

Ishmael = Christian Arabs Currently being MURDERED by Zionists

The descendents of Ishmael are the Arabs - the FIRST CHRISTIANS, and the ones that currently reside in the Middle East today. In fact, the original Muslims were these Arab Christians who fell for the deception of the False Prophet Mohammed.

The Arab Christians and Muslims actually lived in peace until the past century, when we in the West decided to invade them on behalf of Zionists. The Muslims today are PUNISHING the Christian Arabs simply for revenge against us, because NUT-JOBS like Hagee, McCain and Santorum claim to be waging war against Arabs in the name of "Christianity."

Islamic Jihadists have terrorized European Christians since the time of Mohammed because he was a nut who told them to kill the "Infidels", but in reality the Hordes were pagan Turks and Mongols who converted and used Islam as an excuse to take over European lands. Totally different situation between the Muslim and Christian Arab relations in the Middle East.

Don't get me wrong, my people ARE those Orthodox Christians who DID fight and die and REFUSED TO CONVERT to the Muslim HERESY, but the situation in Europe vs. the Middle East are APPLES AND ORANGES!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

please stop the bashing!

This really is not a place to bash Muslims or denigrate Islam.

There are plenty of Muslims who support Ron Paul, liberty, freedom, sound money, etc.

Would Ron Paul say those mean and spiteful things like you've said in your post, about his fellow Americans, or believers in one of the three Abrahamic religions?

Please stop spreading the hatred.

Ron Paul supporters get lots of that from the MSM & neocons so I'm sure no one would want Muslims or people of other faiths (or no religion) to feel attacked the way you've just done.

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