Rand Paul on CNN with Wolf Blitzer
Submitted by freedom1776 on Mon, 01/23/2012 - 17:03
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I have no idea if he's going
I have no idea if he's going to carry the message of liberty after this interview. He should at least say that warrantless searches at the airport violate the 4th amendment and that the TSA therefore needs to be scaled back drastically or abolished outright. Then it would be ok to nit-pick things like going back through the scanner again or having a frequent flier program, etc.
Politicians can compromise, but a popular movement for freedom cannot compromise without selling itself out. I think that's the real problem I'm seeing here.
I really, really would like to support Rand for President after his dad (regardless whether the latter wins the Presidency or not). But Rand needs to think hard about the message of liberty and decide whether he will teach it. He was not teaching it today.
Illegal search
Its just a way to get us used to the government doing illegal searches. Now that they've put the doors on the planes that prohibit people in the cockpit, all they would need is a few bomb dogs walking around in the airports and if he points you out then there is probable cause for a search just like if a cop smells alcohol on you and gives you a breathalyzer. The worst that could happen is that we get some guy on the plane with gun and he kills everyone but I would prefer taking that risk as to letting the government slip into this big brother show me your papers kind of attitude.
I do blame the agents.
Everyone is responsible for his/her behavior. If the individual agents have no authority or "discretion" to make common sense decisions,they should stand up as a group and demand the ability to decide what methods are appropriate on a case by case basis. Did we not hold the NAZIs responsible for carrying out unlawful orders? How is this any different? They're molesting children and anyone else they "randomly" select! It must STOP NOW. Rand was being very diplomatic in my opinion.
My 2 cents about Rand Paul
I felt the need to make this comment because of the Rand bashing I have seen in some of these commments.
No Rand Paul is not Ron, there is only one Ron Paul and will only ever be one Ron Paul. Those of you saying you would not vote for Rand or that he is not a true defender of liberty are out of line. His actions have shown that he, more than any senator/congressman other than Ron (maybe Amash but he is in the House) will stand up for our liberties. You may disagree with sanctions on Iran, or his proposals on how to deal with the TSA but Rand is not dumb. He is playing to the masses and making Republican allies all the while bringing issues like the TSA to the forfront. I believe Rand is more of a pragmatist and politician-like. Although Ron's style in that regard is the opposite, in the long run, I believe it will help Rand to one day win the white house.
I trust Rand Paul 10000000x more than any candidate other than Ron and that alone is worth my vote if it ever comes to that point. I know Rand will stand for our liberties and, although I don't agree with everything he says, that is what I want in a President. I hope/believe most people here agree with me and I would hope that we all get behind Rand when his time comes.
You double speak
He is either a politician or not. You are either pregnant or you are not. There will come a time when you think he should stand up for liberty and guess what, he will be pragmatic. Like matt_ said "Pragmatism led us to where we are today."
What separates Ron Paul from all others is exactly you know where he stands without even asking him. The rules are in the constitution.
Of course, there is only one Ron Paul but, it only takes adherence to the constitution and those principles to make us all the same.
That is precisely the problem
That is precisely the problem of having to trust another person to carry out your wishes when you vote for that person in an election. And it is perhaps THE fundamental problem of representative democracy.
Ron Paul is one of the extremely select few who can be trusted with a vote based on his past record, speech and deeds. Rand? I dunno. Everyone else? Pfft, no.
Bottom line is, with few exceptions, nobody else can be expected to act in your best interest for free after they have your vote. In politics as in business, its all about profit, and that is the big reason why our system is so screwed up.
Ultimately, freedom-loving citizens may have to devise an entirely new form of citizen rule to overcome the flaws of representative democracy.
The current system has checks
1. Recall
2. Vote out.
3. Nullification.
I am not saying they are easy but, that they exist. The system requires engagement/vigilance a large part of the time by those who demand liberty.
YES
Intelligent and factual response, I couldn't have said it better. Thank you
Pragmatism led us to where we are today
I'm not bashing Rand Paul, I just disagree with him. He starts with the premise that the federal government has a right to arbitraily control our movement inside the country. They don't. A "trusted traveler" program is just as wrong as a TSA pat down, and we need politicians who will stand up and say so.
We already have a population who accepts the fact that people can be arbitraily placed on a "no fly list" without charges or a day in court. If I enter into a private contract with someone who is willing to transport me in an airplane, bus, or taxi, why should I have to prove the federal government trusts me before I can go anywhere?
I took the train on a 1500 mile trip last year just to avoid the TSA. Unfortunately. we have far to many people who will put up with it. Otherwise, it wouldn't exist. I told one person my opinion on the TSA, and they said "Too bad we need this kind of security." I responded: "We don't."
I don't think he's saying
I don't think he's saying that the federal government has the right to do that...he just stated in a Washington Times article today that Americans have the right to travel freely without unwarranted search and seizure. He also says in a hypothetical manner, that if the TSA is to exist, then it ought to focus on actual police work and respect the rights of citizens. Which it clearly isn't doing, so they should be investigated. Honestly I think he's just trying to get the ball rolling... he has been overall quite critical of the TSA.
Student says "I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others." - zen proverb
I agree with you
I think the TSA should be abolished, and that compromising has led us to our current situation.
I was not particularly fond of Rand's answer either but I understand it. If he came out and said the TSA should be abolished immediately that is going to turn off many people (sheeple?) who believe the TSA is necessary. Many would (and have) accused him of feeling entitled because of his position and I think his answers showed that he was not unreasonable and is willing to work to achieve solutions and make changes. Rand is offering a practical solution to get us going in the right direction. The TSA has been around for 10 years now and with the attitude of most people in this country we are not going to get rid of it overnight. I believe Rand believes the TSA should be abolished and that he would do so if he had the chance, but I also believe he realizes what most people are able to comprehend and is trying to tailor the message.
I don't have any respect any
I don't have any respect any respect for TSA agents. Just doing their job doesn't cut it for me because these people invade people's privacy for a living. It's a sad state of affairs that people are even willing to do their job. I'd rather be homeless than live with the shame of being the State's stooge. I won't feel sorry for them when they're all out of jobs.
I got groped once in an
I got groped once in an airport in Jamaica by a female security person. I mean, really felt up. I was so shocked I left the area and got back in line to see if it would happen again. It did. I was 18 and life was good!
gawd, austrolib, i can't wait for your next report when you tell
us you're working as a TSA screener...you nut. Lol
"If you want something you've never had before, you have to do something you've never done before." Debra Medina
Lol nah, I'm a libertarian, I
Lol nah, I'm a libertarian, I only touch if its voluntary and not coerced by the government.
Maybe Rand is on a watch list for supporting his father?
I guess that sounds preposterous, but not impossible. He could be an SSSS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_Security_Screening_Se...
Naomi Wolf brought this to my attention...she is on that list.
It should also be pointed out
that Michael Chertoff, former head of Homeland Security, is now in the body scanner manufacturing business... just a bit of minor trivia completely irrelevent to the situation...
ok, so
would you rather be groped by the Government or by Blackwater... you get to choose... the government employees are soft and fluffy and the Blackwater employees are buff and toned... oh, and they are known as the Academi now, cuz they study ways to kick people's ass and they can't spell...
Neither
My Constitution says so
But remember,
he stood firm against the NDAA and SOPA, and those are actions, not words.
So, we have to understand that Rand my not be an "educator" like his dad is, but he might be speaking what the PTB like to hear, while stopping their plans with his actions.
It might be a strategy that he uses.
I don't like the sound of what Rand says in some cases either, but so far, I like what he does in the Senate where it counts(except for the Iran sanctions).
I agree he's not perfect by any means.
Rand IS NOT Ron Paul. In this interview he's not defending free
Rand Paul IS NOT Ron Paul. In this interview he's not defending freedoms, he seems to be negotiating how they will control us.
It is a shame that he is so willing to compromise our freedoms.
With the statists we know what to expect, but with people who claim to be for freedom but negotiate them away, we really can't know.
"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2
Extremely dissapointed with Rand's position
The type of compromise and attitude he put forth is that "we the people" get the shaft. In simple terms, one side says we are going to slap the people twice. The other sides argues (puts on a show) and compromises. Proclaiming they did a good job. The result is the people only get slapped once when we should have never been slapped in the first place. Thus, the increments continue.
The media is always fishing
The media is always fishing for a gotcha moment. When this TSA story broke, the press was already trying to spin this into him thinking he was 'above the law' and that the 'rules' didn't apply to him. He snuffed that narrative out quickly by showing that he was polite & cooperative and not attacking the rank and file workers who were just doing their job.
Student says "I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others." - zen proverb
Rand walks the line too much.
Its not the TSA soldier's fault "He was just following orders". Im at least glad Rand said "no" to the pat down and left ( ithought they dont allow you to leave?)
Also I heard Rand voted with all senators 100 - 0 to impose snactions on Iran. Rand is no ROn PAul.
Rand might be president one day b/c he knows how to edit himself in order to get the stupid vote but in doing so he comprimises his principles which is a dangerous thing to be comfortable with.
I respect much of what Rand does but I liekly will not participate in politics (or have children) if Ron PAul doesn't get elected president and guide the country in the right direction.
Sanctions
All of us who have listened to the intellect of Dr Paul regarding "sanctions" understand that sanctions only hurt the people in that country, the innocents, NOT THE GOVERNMENT! This is a fact, not a theory. How in the world could Rand vote for sanctions knowing this??
Rand Paul disappoints... liberty
He is missing the boat. The airports and the airlines should have the say... not a government body. But since they are bought off ... and regulations... and perpetual war... and fear.... We are in a groping radiating increased cost/risk fix for flying.
I added a Proud Supporter of Ron Paul button to my homeschool "McGuffey" site!
http://www.mcguffeysonlinetutor.com/public/main.cfm
Contradiction in TSA statement.
Someone needs to get the TSA on record and find out how this irregularity was taken care of.
What was the cause of the irregularity?
How was the irregularity resolved?
If the irregularity was not identified and resolved as your statement dictates that is required then why was a passenger (Rand Paul) allowed into the secure area?
aaaargh... Rand.....
Dad's right. You're wrong. Don't be "reasonable" about cooperating with tyranny.
TSA: End it, don't mend it!
This is a winnable fight. Stand up on principle! You can smooth-talk it all you want, just don't concede anything.
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What is begun in anger, ends in shame.
Can't believe he is supporting trusted traveler
The trusted traveler program is a solution to a problem created by the TSA. It is just another means of federal governemnt control of your ability to travel. Rand has it wrong.
There will NEVER be any
There will NEVER be any real trusted traveler programs. They would have already done so by now, if they wanted to treat Americans with any level of trust. I think the point Rand is making is that the TSA shows no sign of using common sense to catch real terrorists, but instead is randomly targeting all Americans. Why. Because this is exactly what it looks like, and what Ron says it is... Rand has caught the TSA in a lie about the random alarms.
Student says "I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others." - zen proverb