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THE WAR: I think I am going to be sick


All I can say is I thank you people here on the Daily Paul. When I came here over 4 years ago, it was because of the Income Tax issue. I found it hard to swallow all this talk about liberty and decriminalization of drugs at the federal level and opposition to the war.

Being a Neocon Evangelical Pastor, I questioned if I even belonged here at all. I stuck around because I thought I was going to be able to educate some of you to reality like a good Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin disciple.

What happened I did not expect ... you guys opened my eyes. I won't drone on all that long about these issues but the war ... THE WAR. How could I have been so blind? I did not and could not understand your hatred for THIS WAR. But now I understand.

This WAR is pure EVIL !!! Even until recently I used to think if Dr. Paul could just not speak so loudly about this war maybe he could win. I COULD NOT BE ANY MORE WRONG.

I as a Pastor need to speak against this evil ... it is my duty ... and I am calling out the clergy in this nation to speak up and out against this wickedness. I just watched this video which would explain why so many of our kids are choosing to end their lives then live with what they have witnessed. This is such a national tragedy ... a grievous sin


"On the Dark Side in Al Doura - A Soldier in the Shadows"

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The people we bomb see those images in person. They also

see graphic true-to-life depictions on television.

But we see a sanitized version on TV.

Is it any wonder the average US citizen has no idea?

Thank you for your thoughtful

Thank you for your thoughtful post - it is encouraging to understand how even our members can continue on the path to freedom, peace, and prosperity. I would never have guessed from your earlier posts that you were struggling with these issues. I hope there is a monumental shift in the thinking of religious as well as political leaders.

Whenever I hear a ProLife person like Santorum talk about how

all life is sacred.

...And that he wants us bombing helpless people in foreign countries.

...I want to slap him upside the head.

Too bad we can't ..

force him to watch some of these horrible footnotes to the history of American Interventionism. And Neocons say that muslims hate us because of our freedom, imagine that.

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"- Homer Simpson


Have we invited him to view this in its entirety, then assure us he would happily send his sons off to be part of this "effort" to "protect" America???

Boggles the mind, truly.

Nothing comes to those who wait.

Or wallow in delight and glee

Or wallow in delight and glee over the violent death of an Iranian scientist....


if we did that

then we have become the terrorists ... some kid lost his dad because we deemed him a danger.

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where is your church

i need to find one that does not think that we need to bring freedom to other nations .... (meaning killing - bombing etc)
wonderful article here - thanks for sharing

long Story

Sold our building Been on a sabbatical. Had lots of trials past few years ... taking a break ... but about to jump back in soon maybe on Youtube.

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If I may

Can I reveal a little light that I have found. There is a secret there and those who seek will find it.


Go to the radio archives and you can hear this show every day. It is a prophecy show. To understand prophecy one must know where prophecy comes from. Hint, It comes the same way that truth and life comes. It's way removes the Darkness.

Many of us think the answers come from large books, or volumes of information on a DVD. Sometimes the greatest Wisdom can take the form of a simple pamphlet.

Find the Revelation of the way, the truth, and the life and always build on the rock.

John 8:12

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world . He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

That is a very good Idea

you can outreach to so many more people that way and you can also get compensation from ads to help with cost involved.
A 21'st century Pastor Awesome, drop us the link when you get it going.

"Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry

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I have always thought that the internet

is 'redeemed' by God's Word that is made available there. Some will find it there, who would not go into a building to do so. Surely that would be a good work, maybe even your part in 'helping to set the captives free.'

Yup, I saw the graphic images...

these are inevitable atrocities in wars.

Thank you Pastor, for sharing your very personal experience and journey.

It is counter intuitive that in almost every culture on Earth, we're universally taught from early on that it is immoral to hurt or kill another human being. Yet, we're supposed to be brainwashed to think that putting on a different colored threads and a patch of Velcro-ed fabric that signify the moniker for a State, will make what we already know to be an illegal, immoral act, to be 'moral,' when done on behalf of the State? This is the psychological break down that occurs that the mind struggles to reconcile, IMHO.

It is psychotic to fathom that for a group of beings who were taught one thing that we're not suppose to do, yet once you join a Gvt entity, you can at will: once the switch turns on that it's 'okay' to kill on behalf of the State, and have killed, it is damn near impossible to turn that switch off and expect to be able to 'readjust' to a civilian society, where 'different rules' apply, again.

What is not being discussed openly because it's taboo to do so, is that the human mind eventually learns to 'enjoy' killing.


Because the mind has to contend with an evil act. The subconscious rationalization that goes on, like many who like to deem what they do to be worthy, no matter how awkward they felt about it in the beginning: they rationalize to themselves to continue to doing it that it must be worth it.

And, if "it's worth it," they must enjoy it. And, under the psychotic environment of a war and an entire govt apparatus that institutionalizes it, it's not hard to see that reluctantly some just evolve to actually 'enjoy' killing.

Because such act, like it or not, biologically releases endorphins, especially when the act of killing is done in an emotionally stressful state, which ducking for your life as AK rounds wheez past your head always tends to be. And any activity done in a heightened state, adrenaline + endorphins, the body always seek ways to repeat the enjoyment released during that bio-chemical 'high.'

A bio-chemical-psychological feedback loop is established.

It's no different than anything else that one's brains make oneself used to something: drugs, porn, internet, or TV.

For instance, whenever someone who is hooked on a particular TV show watches the next episode, endorphin is released rewiring that person's brain telling itself such activity is enjoyable. Thus the brain justifies it as a 'good, worthy activity.' So it subconsciously creates an environment in which is most conducive in repeating such joy, again.

Except, in the case of a war, consequences are far more deadlier, obviously. And, often irrevocable, as these are actions once inflicted upon 'other' people, it's hard to rewind, or reboot.

Plus, all wars are designed to make any supposed target/'enemy' deem to be inhuman and animal-like. How else could one justify killing them so easily, so protractedly?

Frankly, I'm surprised that when people see pictures of Abu Ghraib or the recent pictures of peeing on dead bodies surface, that they're actually 'surprised.'

To me, these things done during a war are not aberrations of wars: they ARE the nature of a war!

WARS are an aberration of the natural order.

Psychotic things are to be expected in a purposeless fruitless war not fought in just defense. Even in "just wars," atrocities inevitably occur because the very act of war and killing are counter intuitive to the human condition.

So frankly, the atrocities in wars are not the real problem, but the whole 'going-to-war,' itself is.

As long as we have wars, such 'aberrations' will always occur. But, how can one complain about aberrations/'a few bad apples' during wartime, when in fact the war itself is an aberration?

The most tragic part of this is that Needham, by all observable account, seemed to have been a good man trying to do his very best to remain moral in an utterly insane and immoral environment.

Yet, realities of cognitive dysfunction caught up to him in the most tragic of ways in which he blacked out, and ended up murdering someone. I'm sure when his mind blacked out and 'took over,' he wasn't necessarily punching the girl to death, but was trying to destroy himself somehow reflected back in the face of his new girlfriend: he was trying to punch to death the part which he does not recognize in himself anymore, that he nevertheless saw reflected in the girl's face.

Sadly, I'm truly of the mind that he died of a heartache.

I feel for his father, as it's obvious he tried everything to save his son, the best way he knew how. I cannot imagine what it must be like for a parent to give life to beautiful being slowly destroyed into something he cannot recognize anymore.

Wonder how "Christian" the likes of Frothy, Grinch, and Wrongney would feel about murderously advocating wars, if Needham were their son.

This insanity must stop. Period.

Thank you again, Pastor, for sharing your personal journey. I hope your flock, and many who read your statement open their eyes and heed your warning.

PRESIDENT Paul or it's WW3 abroad and an open, ubiquitous DHS-NDAA-NORTHCOM policestate at home.

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Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I wasn't on DP four years ago--though I was . . .

a RP supporter then (and have been since around 1986)


but this is a very encouraging 'testimony'--

thanks for sharing it. :)

(I started lurking on DP back in early 2009)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Bless you pastor

and thank you.

It is up to us to educate/remind our pastors of their duty and of the souls they are responsible for.

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Party game (of sorts) to think about taxes and war

The tax dollars I've paid have funded the murder of 12 people so far, by my estimates.

Take the taxes you've paid since the start of the war, divide by 4 (roughly the military budget of 25%, not counting borrowing/printing) and that was your contribution to military spending. You can take the war spending from the war period and divide it by the number of people killed so far (a million by some counts, depending on how you attribute deaths) and you can get a dollar figure per murder. Divide your personal contribution by that and you can get a death count you can take personally.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

good to see you finally saw the light carpavel!


Thanks for the links ...I'll check 'em out when I get time later.

I left the church...

.. after 40 years because my pastor was cheer leading the war...

I posted this on websites that reported on the endorsement:

This weekend in Texas, the Christian jihadists endorsed Rick St. Orum, warmonger supremo. (Ron Paul, the anti-war candidate, wasn't even on their list... thank God.)

Their holy book teaches: curse those who curse you. Do unto them first, before they do unto you. Repay evil with evil. Hate your enemies. Blessed are the warmongers. If someone were to come down to earth and teach, do unto others as you want them to do unto you, they'd crucify him.

To refer to them as the Christian Taliban faction of the GOP, would be to insult the Taliban. Jon Stewart put it best: "Evangelicals believe life begins at conception, but ends at our borders."

Thanks for the post.

Plano TX