Japanese Want U.S. Bases Out of Okinawa!
Submitted by healthnut4freedom on Tue, 01/24/2012 - 17:24This is really outrageous. People ridicule Dr. Paul but these people want us out of their country!
"A 24-member delegation from Japan is in Washington, D.C., this week opposing the presence and new construction of U.S. military bases in Okinawa. Participating are members of the Japanese House of Councilors, of the Okinawa Prefectural Assembly, and of city governments in Okinawa, as well as leading protest organizers and the heads of several important organizations opposed to the ongoing U.S. military occupation of Okinawa.
The famously stingy U.S. tax payer, frequently seen bitterly protesting outrageously wasteful spending of a few million dollars, is paying billions of dollars to maintain and expand some 90 military bases in Japan (and to make those who profit from such business filthy rich). Thirty-four of those bases, containing 74% of their total land area, are in Okinawa, which itself contains only 0.6% of Japanese land. Okinawa is dominated by U.S. military bases and has been for 67 years since the U.S. forcibly appropriated much of the best land.
The people of Okinawa tell pollsters year after year that they oppose the bases. Year after year they elect government officials who oppose the bases. Year after year they march, sit-in, protest, and demand to be heard. Year after year, the national Japanese government confronts the issue and fails to take any decisive steps to resolve it. Year after year, the people of the United States remain blissfully unaware that, as in so many other places around the world, our military occupation of Okinawa is ruining people's lives."
read the rest at
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Japanese-Delegation-Wants-b...
One of the quotes from the article is about Ecuador's president and how he solved the problem "the President of Ecuador seems to have found the magic formula in his proposal that any U.S. base in Ecuador be matched by an Ecuadorean base in Florida."



















While I was in Okinawa in 1997 they picketed 24/7
A friend was in Okinawa recently still picketing. I would say the people do not want us there. On average once a month an American service woman there is drugged kidnapped and gang raped. They are then quietly given disability pay for service connected PTSD MST. I recently read 21% of overseas female troops return with PTSD and 80 -90% are from MST (military sexual trauma). Add on the stories of young Okinawan girls getting the same treatment, rarely makes the news here. While I was there they found,when a surprise inspection was done, an 11 yr old girl kept in a foot locker as a sex slave. There is an overwhelming majority of very young males an very few females and to see military 19 staggering home drunk is normal. We gave one a ride, he could barely walk and it turned out he was from my state and had called me previous to going to Okinawa, small world. I am sure he had no idea how he got home the next day.
One of my sons friends was stabbed on the DMZ in Korea by a S Korean they were rioting, they don't want us there. The people in many countries don't want us there. The TPTB make big bucks on us, they want us there.
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A great new article on Ron Paul and conservatives in general
This is not accurate
I have lived in Japan for about 20 years and from my understanding the Japanese people do NOT want U.S. bases out of Japan, local land developers in Okinawa are the ones that want U.S. bases out of Japan. The ones lobbying for it are being financed by these local moguls who moved in buying up land after the region started to become popular due to U.S. development and now want to build golf courses and resorts on the land reserved by U.S. bases.
Okinawa only became a part of Japan after the second world war, previous to that they were the Ryukyu Islands, a sovereign nation and the natives themselves basically want their sovereignty back. The Ryukyuans themselves for the most part want the Japanese out of Okinawa (and any other foreign control) and could care less about regional stability.
So the title of this thread should perhaps more correctly be "Local Land Developers Want U.S. Bases Out of Okinawa!" and they have the money and power to pay politicians to lobby on their behalf.
Well if there's any indication that Ron Paul is right,
it's in the fact that we've had excellent economic relations and freedom with Japan, willing disaster relief, and the influence that both we have had on them, and they have had on us. Japan has become like another America in the sense that they have similar political struggles and they come from a stunningly similar past to our own, with all the regional warfare they had, and opposition to centralized government. It didn't turn out the way our country has, but we share... an experience and perspective of the power of government. And the fact that they would prefer us to not even have a presence in Japan, speaks volumes about their desire to have control of their own country again in many ways.
this has been going on for 10 years
The people of Okinawa have been protesting for years about getting all of the US military out of the island.
Their elected representatives have been negotating this with the US but have actually been trying to keep the US pressence for all the revenue/taxes. Last year, this very large disconnect between the peoples desirse and their politicans actions led to massive protests in Okinawa.
All the same time the US has been suggested moving these bases to our Pacific Island Terrirotries... mainly a large buildup in Guam. That keeps going back-and-forth with teh decision to leave okinawa or not.
Long story short, the people don't want us there, we don't need to be there... its time to go home.
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Okinawa is the part of Japan . . .
with a history. Call Okinawa the rural Mississippi of Japan or . . . the northern New Mexico (not Santa Fe, perhaps Taos before it became artsy) of Japan, and those who don't understand Japan might begin to understand.
It's been 'easier' to allow the bases there, but the American military has (not all, but too many) NOT behaved well there.
I do NOT blame the Japanese, and I blame the Okinawans even less; they've been exploited and marginalized long enough--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Oh yeh?
If someone built a military base in MY backyard I would drop an atom b**b on em'.
Maybe we should listen to the under-represented
I'm not saying that we are in any immediate or dire risk from an assault by Okinawans, but anytime we leave troops in bases where the people who live there don't want us there and they are under-represented by their own government which may be acting against the will of their own people, there is some inherent risk.
I seem to recall a group of people who were not very well represented by the monarchy of their country which had allowed the US to place bases in areas of their country to which the people in the area were quite offended.
Those people kept demanding that the US remove those bases and after we ignored them for years, they began attacking Americans repeatedly as a way of gaining attention. After several attacks, all with explainations as to why the attacks were taking place, they eventually wound up killing more than 3000 Americans in one day.
The US finally removed the bases these people had found so offensive and despite offending other people in other countries, no countrymen from the country which had been hosting those specific bases have been attacking American civilians.
Maybe there's a pattern.
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I agree with you . . .--
but *we* (liberty-minded people) ARE listening; *they* aren't (as in the PTB who play the U.S. like a chess game)
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Come on Japan DONATE to a
Come on Japan DONATE to a SUPERPAC. We need some big bucks!
I just hope you really know what is happening in Japan
Currently, many parts of Japan are under threat of radiation affects. Many foods, water, land, crops, mountain, basically anything to everything are contaminated. Only Kyusyu(South island of Japan) seems to have very low level of radiation. People are trying to support each other and accepting many affected area of citizen to unaffected area/home/land. We are trying to survive right now. Then TPP threat came in and people are forced to sign the paper. People are losing business, house, life and family...right now.
I strongly support Dr.Paul and I am advocating everywhere but right now Japanese people need more financial support than Dr.Paul.
Many children are started show symptom of radiation affects but nothing much is happening.
I just hope US/World understand that...
I have a friend in Japan who
I have a friend in Japan who told me the exact same thing. He's trying to move away from Tokyo as far as he can. Immediately after the earthquake last year, there were a LOT of US troops that arrived in S. Korea from Japan because of the radiation problem. It was a mass exodus to other US bases throughout Asia. I don't know what the situation is like now, but clearly the US military knew that radiation would be a problem.
Let's hope and pray for the best in Japan.
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I'm surprised that
people are not mentioning how RP accused the NeoCons of isolationist policies with I believe blocades & such. I thought it was brilliant.
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Foreign policy question
I know its tough trying to sell Ron Pauls foreign policy to the GOP but I think I may have found a good way to get them to go along with us. If you ask the question "have you ever heard a liberal say look at europe and how great their socialism is?" Of course they have, then just point out that the reason they have so much money to spend on socialism is because we subsidize most of their defense. We have bases all over Europe. Then send them articles like the one below about it.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/12/u-s-defense-spending-subsi...
Make them pay for it themselves. Lets stop subsidizing Europes socialism. Thats a good talking point to use on any conservative GOPer.
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Yawn
They've ALWAYS wanted the U.S. out. As do the locals living around our bases in most host countries.
Ron Paul will get us out and that's great, but why is this article stuck at the top of the main page?
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So ah, what does Nancy Pelosi Know?
In regards to Newt Gingrich being President Nancy Pelosi had this to say:
"He's not going to be President of the United States. That's not going to happen. Let me just make my prediction and stand by it, it isn't going to happen."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/24/pelosi_on_...
She thinks she knows
Because she is a CFR member as well as a bilderberger and their candidate is Mitt Romney so they can continue their globalist plan.
http://www.meetup.com/Run-Ron-Paul-2012-Mid-Valley-Chapter/e...
Yeah well we gotta keep a
Yeah well we gotta keep a base in Japan to protect them from... the Japanese?
One subject I was hoping to
One subject I was hoping to hear Dr Paul talk about during the South Carolina debates was the closure of the Charleston Navy base in 1996. Paul has suggested that we shut down our bases overseas and build more here in the states. Military bases are great for the local economy and they create a lot of civilian jobs. Hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost when the base in Charleston was shut down, and Paul could have stuck a very powerful chord with South Carolinians had he discussed that subject. I hope to hear him talk about this in the future, more military bases on U.S. soil = more American jobs!
He specifically said "there will probably be MORE bases here"
In response to attacks on his plan to close overseas bases, he said this during one of the SC debates, it made a lot of sense! Ron Paul said exactly what you wish he'd say :-)
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Okinawa and Military
I was stationed in Okinawa from 1969-1970. We had a few instances of japanese college students protesting the bases. Many civilians work at the bases. The island is small widest part is 1 mile across. The bars and motels like the military there and the economy is helped but there are several bases on that small island. there is Kadena Air Force Base and a Marine base and an army base at Machinato and more army in Naha. I got a dose of Agent Orange in Okinawa but the Army does not admit it at this time. They have buried hundreds of 55 gallon drums at Machinato but have not owned up to it yet. No Wonder the Japanese want the military gone. When I was there the economy was similar to ours in value but when I stopped in Tokyo the prices were 5 times higher for everything. If the military left I am afraid Inflation would hit them hard.
http://www.meetup.com/Run-Ron-Paul-2012-Mid-Valley-Chapter/e...
Okinawa was my 1st duty station as a Marine in 2002
Wow, how do I say this! I am a US.Marine Iraq Vet
Beautiful land of the Ryukyu Islands 琉球諸島....
Ohayoo gozaimasu
I love the people of Okinawa, they are very welcome to our presence but at the same time we don't need to have a arsenal of guns,weapons, training and militarized presence on this tiny island. Most natives of Okinawa are different then mainland Japan, many American families have settled here, overall the bases should be downsized.
Check out this info:
In May 2010 a survey of the Okinawan people conducted by Mainichi shimbun and Ryukyu shimpo, found that 71% of Okinawans surveyed thought that the presence of Marines on Okinawa was not necessary. 15% said it was necessary. Asked what they thought about 74% of United States Forces Japan bases being concentrated in Okinawa, 50% said that the number should be reduced, 41% said that the bases should be removed. Asked about the US-Japan security treaty, 55% said it should be changed to a peace treaty, 14% said it should be abolished and 7% said it should be maintained.
Many of the bases, such as Yokota Air Base, Naval Air Facility Atsugi and Kadena Air Base, are located in the vicinity of residential districts, and local citizens have complained about excessive aircraft noise as well as various crimes perpetrated against local civilians.
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MAP OF OKINAWA...RED U.S. BASES....THIS IS A TINY ISLAND...PEOPLE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_military_bases_in_Okina...
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Same here
Okinawa was my first duty station too. I was there 1999-2000. I spent a month of that time on deployment to the Philippines for a joint exercise. We were among the first U.S. military people to return to the Phillipines after Americans fled U.S. bases there when Mt. Pinatubo erupted. The only way we'll ever unoccupy is if natural disasters destroy our bases... or if Ron Paul is elected president.
It's not just Japan..
In more recent years there has been growing anti-US sentiment in S. Korea, especially among leftists.
However, Korea ultimately does want subsidized defense. After all, who wouldn't want free State-of-the-Art defense in the most militarized region in the world? (Ironically, that's where the Demilitarized Zone is)
So if Ron were to pull the troops out of Korea, then S. Korea would freak out and probably send a bunch of lawmakers to Washington to protest it ;)
of been living off and on in
of been living off and on in south korea since 1999. it was unpopular when i got here... it's unpopular today. north korea has the largest standing army in the world. south korea has the second. south korea has absolutely no fear of north korea. it's funny when my mom watches the news about north korea and freaks out. i had to put my korean co-teacher on skype with her and explain this... there have been some serious rape cases here by american troops. i don't no where you got this information but i have many hyungneems (older korean brothers) here and not one i've ever talked to on this subject want american troops here. this country has been invaded by japan and china repeatedly over the last 5000 years. they do not like foreign soliders on their land. and they do not have any fear of north korea. it is true when i first got here south korea was not the economic power it is today. there was more fear of north korea back then but even then they didn't want foreign troops here. now they are completely confident in themselves.
depends on who you talk to
I've been in Korea for the last 8 years and recently returned. The younger generation generally doesn't care about north Korea but the older generation believes they are vulnerable without American defense and I'm referring to those who either lived through the Korean war or was fed all the anticommunist propaganda up until Korea became a democracy.
that's the feeling i had when
that's the feeling i had when i first got here about the older generation. I'd really say the people you are talking about now are well over 50. I am 35 (37 korean age as you know haha) but got here when i was 24. so i have lots of korean friends in their 40's and i never got that feeling. they use to hedge their bets more but when push came to shove (the question has always interested me) they always wanted to go it alone. now they don't care at all it seems. going tomorrow to wonju to see one of my best korean friends. i'll probably see his mom. i'll try to get her take. i get a little nervous with being that frank with older korean people of that age. they're pretty old school as you know--haha.
lol indeed they are! I'm
lol indeed they are! I'm actually Korean myself, though American born, and my mom is totally against pulling the troops out of Korea! The older generation feels like Korea needs the security or perhaps they can do away with the US troops as long they get to keep the weapons/technology, but that's probably very unlikely? ;)