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Does a brokered convention hurt us?

There is a real possibility that we will go into the convention with no one having enough delegates. Then they go into 1 round of voting and if no one comes up with enough delegates (Dr. Paul or Romney are unable to make a deal), then all the delegates are "released" and they can even draft a Jeb Bush, It becomes a free for all.

My concern is an obvious one. Another Bush in the white house would be enough to make me move out of the USA

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The only possible harm in Brokered-Convention?

-- that I can see is this: IF too many states succeed in removing Ron Paul delegates from their rosters, we would end up with NewtSantoRomney, which is a win for Obama (again).
If the GOP had any sense, they would welcome Dr Paul and all of his supporters AND delegates, so they would remain relevant, would add a lot of party-members, AND so they could garner a win. Regardless of what GOP polls state, there is no way any of the others will take Indy and Dem votes away from Obama, so if the GOP is stupid enough to ignore us (and, boy, do they ever seem to be acting stupidly these days) they will get what they deserve. The problem with this is WE would also get what they deserve!
Now, what would this mean for us? Obama. In my opinion, that's reason enough for the GOP to expand their tiny little minds. Somehow, we have to convince them of this. Otherwise we are just preaching to the choir. It feels good, but who does it help?
Or, as some have suggested, Ron Paul could win as third party candidate, However; he IS the only true Republican with true Republican values on the ticket. So, why they don't want him (ahem) is beyond me. If he were to run as any sort of Indy, he will not have the ability to debate Obama and whomever the GOP (s)elects. That is HUGE in politics.
I think it really leaves the GOP and the USA only one choice and one chance for a "win", and that is Ron Paul, of course!

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

If it is a brokered

If it is a brokered convention, the campaign has to stand firm, and not negotiate. My thinking on this is, the cabal pulled a coup and is using the media tring to maintain this illegal coup aided by the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and SOPA.

The way Ron Paul wins, and we win, hoping most of the delegates are Ron Paul friendly, then hold the line and force the others to come our way. The campaign will have to use the convention to pull a coup of sorts to make Ron the nominee. He must make the run against Obama. It's the only way to save our Constitutional Republic.

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home
http://www.texasuncensored.blogspot.com

I think...

...we've reached a point of critical mass. All it takes is for us to each find 2 or 3 more people who will vote for RP and we can win this thing. I know everyone won't find 2 or 3... but if we can AVERAGE that...some people find 20, some find 5, some find none... but an average of 2 or 3 each and we're the majority.

All we need is MORE TIME. The longer and more protracted and undecided this election is... the more time we get to win the hearts and minds of the people.

Just my 2 cents.

NO! In fact that is realistically the best we can hope for.

We could be so lucky as to be there with Romney, Gingrich and Paul.

We actually need Gingrich to stay in because this country is not smart enough (at this point anyway) for Paul to beat Romney alone.

If Gingrich drops then it will be tough to have a brokered convention because the GOP machine will get Romney a quick win.

But with the party fractured 3 ways, a brokered convention is a likely outcome.

THEN the sparks will fly.

I think at that point our man could WIN the nomination.

Let's face it - the republican party is going through convulsions. It's nearly in a death spiral.

AND - mark my words - IF Ron Paul is not mominated then Obama wins. Period.

THIS is the message we need to get to every dumb-ass establishment republican out there.

But their thick, dense heads probably won't heat it anyway.

Then they will get what they deserve for 4 more years.

The shame of it is that those of us who DO support the correct candidate are going to be stuck with Obamacare all our lives.

We can put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the stupid republican party.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The Answer is NO!

Here's some previous posts w/good info:

http://www.dailypaul.com/208898/its-a-2-man-race

The above really spells it out by the numbers.
We are in it to WIN !!!

http://www.dailypaul.com/203887/help-me-understand-what-a-br...

there are many links within the article, also
try this one, same advice:

http://www.dailypaul.com/209235/i-havent-seen-a-real-compreh...

Happy reading.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Remember that after the

Remember that after the primaries end their is a lot of time before the convention, and the candidates will be bargaining on behalf of their delegates while they are still "pledged". If Romney and Gingrich each have like 40% of the delegates, it doesn't matter if they would all vote Ron Paul if unbound, the establishment will likely have one of them take a backseat (most likely gingrich) and give up their delegates to the other for a clear majority. The chance that this makes it all the way to a second, unbound vote at the convention is very unlikely.

If there is a brokered convention

They will likely do all they can and even bend the rules to stop Paul.

So you will need a miracle and be extremely steadfast to have a chance.

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a brokered convention makes America ask...

who, when, what, why, and how!

Dr. Paul shines when we ask those questions!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Unless all the polls are wrong

a brokered convention is probably our only shot at this point.

At 14% in the latest national poll, getting 50% of the delegates is going to be near impossible. But having a brokered convention where Paul supporters have signed up to be delegates for the others is the key to winning this.

Signed Up For Others -- That's The Key

Is the campaign taking steps toward this end?

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

yes

Are you working to become a delegate for your state?

I Would Love To, But Have A Health Problem

Please trust me when I say it's not a cop out. I would be thrilled to be part of the delegate process.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

We want a brokered convention

when delegates become unbound, they could be in for a nasty surprise....

I hope you are right

It's not possible to know the outcome of a brokered convention.

Probably we can foresee, at this point, a brokered convention won't be good for Mr. Mitt.

What every other candidate needs to keep in mind is that Ron Paul's delegates will stick.

That could be big trouble for every one of his current opponents.

It's very possible the convention would see a new candidate, a consensus candidate for all the non Ron Paul delegates.

Anyway, what matters most is amassing as many Ron Paul delegates as possible.

Pat Buchanan Said A New Candidate Out Of Nowhere

is a fairytale.

I'm sure I'm misquoting somewhat, but he said that when he worked for Nixon, Nixon told him "Whenever you hear that the establishment is all lining up against X, bet on X."

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Never say never

It's a guessing game at this early stage.

The candidate probably would not be "out of nowhere".

It could be a Christie or Daniels, as just 2. Both are known, considered popular and often touted.

The Ron Paul opponents don't excite the base. Each has strong opposition among activists.

If it gets to a second ballot and in the absence of a deal making probably Romney a winner on an early ballot, it's very possible that it becomes a brokered convention and all bets are off at that point.

Ron Paul is the wild card. The stronger his position, the more delegates he has, the better. That's all we can know for certain.

Bump. Let's talk about this now, to

avoid that rollercoaster effect later.

A brokered convention seems likely and might or might not hurt us, depending on the outcome. There are lots of scenarios. One of them is that a "dark horse" candidate is considered. Maybe Jeb, as someone suggested below. If someone else, then my guess is that it will be Rand Paul for no other reason than the hope that the GOP will be able to buy our votes that way.

And you know what?

Ron would be my first choice for sure, but Rand would be an .... acceptable defeat. And by that I mean victory when you consider everything.

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

PAUL/PAUL 2012

If there is a brokered convention, how about Rand Paul for President with Ron Paul as VP advising his son - I couldn't think of a more dangerous team to Obama and the GOP establishment. How about PAUL/PAUL 2012. Double whammy! This would be a surprise attack!

After they nominate Mittens

Ron Paul should drop the GOP like a hot potato and go third party! He would pull in so many different groups and keep this revolution alive! Here's a good read:
http://usawatchdog.com/can-ron-paul-win-as-a-third-party-can...

A brokered convention does

A brokered convention does not hurt us. If Ron Paul doesn't enter the convention with 50% of the delegates, then we'd want a brokered convention as the next best thing...Read about the nomination of Warren Harding; he was the darkest of dark horses, entered the convention as the third or fourth choice, and emerged as the nominee on the umpteenth ballot.

Paul's trump card at a brokered convention

But the pledged delegates (almost all of them, I think) must vote for their candidate in the first round, right? That cannot be negotiated. So if one candidate has a majority of pledged candidates (plus those few who are unpledged from the beginning), then there's no possibility of negotiation.

If it's brokered Paul will threaten with running 3rd party and that competition would make a republican win very unlikely. In effect a brokered convent will choose between nominating Paul or letting Obama be re-elected!

No third Bush can possibly become president. Not a chance. The delegates want to nominate someone with a chance to win against Obama. They want whats's best for their party, after all.

Looks like they'll pull Mitch Daniels

Instead of Jeb. Newt talked about a "more distinguished and central" role for Rubio at the last debate. They could play that card, as well.

I think not!

If the first round doesn't select a nominee, then we'll find out how many of us RP delegates there really are! That's why we all need to get moving!

"The only thing we die with is our own personal integrity!" LRH
Vail, CO
Freedom and Liberty for Eagle County, Colorado. www.flecc.org

I Dont Understand

I dont understand this strategy? so RP supporters are actually signing up to be delagates for other candidates in the hope of a brokered convention? isnt this extremely risky and could backfire?

I really hope for a brokered convention

ron paul 2012

Doesn't change anything

You can't know whether or not the convention will go past the first ballot.

In any event, it doesn't change the goal for now.

The goal for now is to help Ron Paul amass as many delegates as possible.

Either he can win on the first ballot OR with a large enough bloc of delegates he can prevail on subsequent ballots OR...

The whole point is to give him and his delegates as much leverage as possible.

Fortunately

Dr. Paul should come to the convention with AT LEAST enough candidates to play "king maker". If he has enough candidates to push somebody over the 50% mark, he could be the most important man at the convention, and if he doesn't like the Bush theory he can shoot it down and choose someone else.

OR He shows up with second most delegates, say, 20-30% and then they really have to listen to him, because the convention will never get to 50% if they don't.

I have heard this theory

I have heard this theory before and read an article where it would be possibly Jeb Bush...this may be what they are trying to do to derail...only time will tell, time ti get to work

Those that didn't go thru the primary

didn't spend any money, didn't campaign, didn't get on the ballot, no delegates should NOT be allowed to just show up and try to be the nominee.....

they'll do it according to rules

Shoulda, woulda coulda.

It's the rules of the game. Sure it's bogus, but it's not like it hasn't been going on for a long time, right out in the open.

The argument against restricting the nomination to only those who went thru the primaries is it's sometimes going to be the only way to break a deadlock.

A better solution is to get the government out of the party building business. It's plainly corrupt.

The taxpayers shouldn't be forced to subsidize both major parties during their conventions (it's something they've voted themselves while excluding all other parties and independents). It's a huge series of subsidies actually; the GOP and D's scored an extra 50 million grant for each host city to spend as they see fit to "enhance" the convention experience. That means more than 100 million is being spent on each major party convention.

Primaries are another example of subsidy.

There's no reason for the taxpayers to pay for a party's selection of candidates. That should be up to the party and done at the expense of those willing to support the party.

Also do away with the bogus campaign finance laws.

Take away those things PLUS the free media windfall they get because the media is gutless and continues to provide maximum coverage to their convention lovefests.

Take away all that and the stranglehold of the major party elites is broken.

Primaries only started to figure prominently in 1960 and only because Nixon and Kennedy had no other reasonable route to get the nomination and both used the primaries, thus kinda inventing the presidential primary.