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For Those Of You Who Were Here In 2008

Was there similar talk of?:

-It's all about the delegates.
-The campaign has a secret strategy to win.
-It will be a brokered convention and we'll win in the end.

I'm scared about hyperinflation and about World War 3. I don't want to lose this opportunity.

Aside from the better vote totals, is there something different this time around that makes everyone confident we are going to win this nomination?

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This time...

MANY more people know about Ron Paul. We used to have to use signs that asked, "Who is Ron Paul?" Now, folks not only know about him, but like him. The numbers are different and the momentum is greater.

It is all about the people - keep getting the word out!

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." - Romans 12:18

Brilliant article that explains why we love Dr. Paul:

I was here

The worst thing about 2008 was the hyperbole about vote fraud. And the worst thing about 2012 is the same: the hyperbole about vote fraud.

It's so sad because it's what Ron Paul talks about all the time: you can't fix the problem if you haven't diagnosed it accurately. Our problem is not some super secret powerful cabal of evil men controlling everything. Our problem is the misunderstanding and misplaced faith in bureaucracy of our neighbors, friends, and family. We all have such neighbors, friends and family.

As long as we keep calling it fraud when they vote for corrupt politicians, we'll probably also keep ignoring or unfulfilling our responsibility to educate our fellow women and men.


I,am very confident we can win. The main worry I have is obviously the PTB pulling a Bush/Gore type fiasco and once something like that happens in this country where investigations need to take place. Well we all know how they like to drag their feet and play games. As long as we can stay diligent and keep a close eye on everything I believe it's going to be a great year for Liberty. We really need to keep an eye on votes. Other than that all we can do is keep working hard to get people to see the brilliance in Ron's message and make sure Ron has enough finances to go the distance. Besides the others that you mention. Delegates etc. IMO..

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Topics are all-important yes.

Topics are all-important yes. I was here then and am here now for the same reason: to help arm and focus the raw power of Daily Paul passion, so that small government ideas will win.

Just 16 words, but they are precise.

I shut my mouth on topics not in my wheelhouse. I try not to type just to hear myself speak. I try to amplify and augment wise opinions on those areas in which I have significant experience: media, marketing and market research, economic policy, politics, fundraising and volunteer management.

Why, for example, do I spend so much time voting down and rebutting wrong-headed opinions about polls being fixed? Because I am so impressed by the raw firepower that DP members bring to this cause that I want to help ensure the fuel you burn is so pure it maximizes how hard and fast your engines can roar for Ron Paul.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

This is a continuation of the 2008 campaign.

The campaign never ended and it will continue. The venue used was the campaign for liberty which kept the torch lit. If you don't know what the campaign for liberty is, go check it out.

The talk was about chickens

I now have 12 hens and a rooster because of DP in 07/08. The talk was about Chem trails, 911 Truth, Bohiemian Grove, Secret Societies, Healthfoods, Boycots, Painting towns with rEVOLution banners, meeting Ron Paul, Meetup wars, survival when everything crashes, everyone but Ron Paul being a liar, about being a delegate (I vainly hoped Ron Paul would be forced to go Indy, I was WRONG, and I regret not joined the GOP. I was afraid to join the GOP. So not only was I wrong, afraid, but I was stupid). We talked about energy and Ayn Rand, and music, and talking heads on TV... really, it's very much as it was, sans some popular commentators, YouTubers and cartoonists are now gone. We did have allot of people offering their businesses and all kinds of vids about how to make your own Ron Paul signs, banners, cards, phone banking, sign waving... and meeting Ron Paul.. the thrill of it all. Michael Nystrom made more posts, and they were great.. I still think of the turkey that came into his yard, and his picture of Lychii nuts... what a great trip that had to have been.

I hope Ron Paul wins so we can keep DP going for 8 more years!

good times

computer: $1,799.00 ( original Air )
internet connection $2.17 ( cup of coffee )
inspiration: free ( liberty, sound money, voluntaryist philosophy )
Having a place where intelligent minds work out the problems we face: priceless!

A and C

I don't remember a "secret strategy", but there was plenty of hyperinflation and about World War 3 talk then, as well as war with Iran.

"is there something different this time around that makes everyone confident we are going to win this nomination?"

Yes, there are more of us now, people were attracted to Obama (people hated Bush) like moths to light, gold wasn't worth nearly as much, the Fed talk was more fringe then, Mises/Autrian school was foreign to most, Sep-Oct 2008 hadn't hit yet, Islamophobia was at a fever pitch (when is the terror threat level anything but orange at the airport?)...

Thank you newer supporters, stick around.


was talk about these things, but the truth is that those of us that started attending these caucuses and primaries were under the impression that they were being conducted fairly and open.

I speak for myself in saying that we were uneducated for the task at hand because the orchestrated fix, which we still see today, overwhelmed us.

We are in a much different position and have beat them back into fair processes on many fronts. Yes, we still have a long way to go, but I'd say it only takes one Ron Paul supporter/delegate to expose or stop the corruption of 30 or 40 party insiders. That's power

The delegate thing WAS the secret strategy

Then there was the
mystery millionaire donor."
I am not confident. I know it is unlikely, and yet I choose not to sit idly by and let the Puppetmasters have their way.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

yes, yes, and yes

At least, here on the DP, all of that talk was very rampant. I don't know/recall how much the campaign may have played into it, but the DP and the grassroots were definitely consumed by such talk.

We (the grassroots) had a "DVDs for Delegates" program which created educational DVDs designed to be mailed out to all the non-RP delegates prior to the convention. Quite a bit of work went into that program. Many were sure that these DVDs would persuade enough delegates to switch their votes that RP would indeed win the nomination.

At the convention, the McCain goons tried to lean on state delegation heads to not announce RP's delegate totals. Some went along with that; some did not. For those who did not, the people running the convention sometimes cut the state leader's mic before they got to announce RP's total. Some RP delegates did cave and switch their votes, believing that it was for the long-term best in order to win some favor with their state GOP stalwarts. Others held firm. Then, the convention people (IIRC) did not display all of RP's delegate vote totals, resulting in further erosion of the impact of our achievements.

It was pretty bad.

Many of us knew, well in advance, that it would be, and tried to prepare our delegates for the worst. I think, overall, that we did alright. Could have been better had we known more specifically what to do; could have been worse. I know our Oregon delegates did great and I'm proud of them all. :-) And our then state chair, Vance Day, was not having any of that delegate suppression nonsense; he announced both totals out loud. (RP's total was not _as_ loud, but I'm not complaining.)

I don't expect a brokered convention this year unless somehow the party stays fractured between 3 candidates for a long time. That seems unlikely. People are herd thinkers. They tend to mostly vote for "the winner" once someone pulls out into a significant lead (McCain 2008, anybody?). Money and media attention tends to dry up for the rest. We fought that as hard as we could manage in 2008, but you can't fight the whole country.

The upcoming caucus states are very crucial. We must do all we can there; if we win even ONE, the game changes. Of course the bad guys will be working hard to stop that, so stay on your toes and KEEP CAMPAIGNING.

Lastly, do NOT let Florida get you down. We aren't expecting the moon (eh, Gettingrich?), we just want to do as well as we can with a limited engagement there. I'll be perfectly happy if we get close to 20%. Getting 33%+ and the win will be damn near impossible with the media pushing the warmongers 24/7.

Then it's on to the caucus states where our ground game is on it already. Ron was just up campaigning in Maine, in fact. Ground troops become much more important there. Think Iowa. :-)

What is begun in anger, ends in shame.

One big similarity is seeming

One big similarity is seeming non-stop threads about voter fraud. No doubt it happens but many of these posts just like in 08 serve only to distract and demoralize.

Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.

"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor

You say you want a revolution?

Here is an email I saved from last campaign. Yes, we had a strategy but this time we have the real power to implement it and more.

Subject: You say you want a revolution?

January 30, 2008

Every movement in history has faced some time of testing, some experience that either forges it into something strong and unified, or forces it to fade away into the history books as another failed experiment. Dr. Paul has written to you that we are heading straight for Super Tuesday. Our opponents are free to beat up on each other and wear themselves down while we gather our supporters and prepare to storm the convention with delegates.

Last night, over 60,000 people stood up and asked for an end to the runaway violation of our liberties. But contrary to the impression you may be getting from the mainstream media, no national delegates have yet been won in Florida. Those delegates will only be awarded between February 6 and April 30 at delegate selection caucuses, and many of those delegates will be supporters of Dr. Paul.

Ron Paul is the only candidate not to give up on any state in the Republican race, and just as we competed strongly in overlooked states like Nevada and Louisiana, so too will we compete in Maine, Minnesota, and other states that the so-called "top-tier" candidates are content to ignore. Now, as the focus shifts to Super Tuesday, Rudy's campaign is crushed, Huckabee is losing momentum by the day, and McCain and Romney are fighting over who is the most liberal.

We've been here before. In 1776, despite a courageous effort at holding onto the city, George Washington ceded New York and quickly retreated to New Jersey. 1777 brought the British recapture of Fort Ticonderoga, as well as American defeats at Brandywine and Germantown. And then, during the winter of 1777-1778, Washington and his army faced perhaps their most humiliating moment, forced to endure a harsh Pennsylvania winter with limited supplies at Valley Forge. The American revolutionaries dealt with their defeats, focused on their goals, and emerged from Valley Forge as a force that would defeat the most powerful nation on earth.

Our momentum is building. Each one of us, from Dr. Paul himself down to the grassroots supporter who donates the last $5 he or she can give, is focused on the goal. Early in the struggle for American independence, George Washington wrote: "Perseverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages." Even then, Washington realized that a fierce struggle for self-government can only be won with a spirit of determination equal to the challenge. Today, in the midst of our new revolution, let's consider Washington's words once again.

The task before us is enormous. The foes of liberty are deeply entrenched, and they will not relinquish their power without a struggle. But fighting in our favor is the unconquerable human spirit, the innate desire to be free. We must embrace this inner strength, dig in our heels, and persevere, just as Washington and his rag-tag colonials, the first American grassroots patriots, did before us. And if we must pass through a Valley Forge or two along the way to victory, let those times of testing temper the steel of our determination.

If Ron Paul is to continue his fight for liberty to the Republican Convention, we need your help in two critical ways: 1. Become a precinct leader today: It's easy, but more importantly, it's vital to Ron Paul's success: https://voters.ronpaul2008.com. 2. Donate: Just as the Continental Congress supplied General Washington's troops in the field, we too must raise as much money as we can to equip our grassroots supporters. Help us win this revolution and usher in a new era of freedom, peace, and prosperity. Donate today: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate?c=013008

Matthew Hawes, Policy Assistant Daniel McCarthy, Internet Communications Coordinator Jonathan Bydlak, Fundraising Director Ron Paul 2008

Yes - Choices 'A' and 'C'

I was here every day in 2008. There was lots and lots of:

"It's all about the delegates."


"It will be a brokered convention and we'll win in the end."

At the time the assertion was that the primary votes didn't matter, because Ron Paul supporters would take control on the floor using some sort of parliamentary procedure.

Often accompanied by lectures against the doubters who worried that the popular vote mattered, and who were told they didn't know what they were talking about because they didn't know how the delegate system really works.

Didn't pan out.

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I miss your cartoons

The other day I was thinking if I was a cartoonist, I would draw a picture of a ocean of Ron Paul supporters in their Libertariana, Constitutionalist, Blue Democratic, Indy tee shirts for Ron Paul in black and white, and a little island with Ron Paul Republicans all in color, with MSM reporting about the Ron Paul Republicans in the polls against Romney/Newt Neocons. Maybe the sea of followers would get the picture and join the GOP?

We were learning how much we didn't know!

And the neocon Islamophobia was in full swing. People weren't as poor, or tired of the wars yet.

The Federal Reserve topic was still viewed as fringe by the GOP.

Campaign for Liberty was born to attempt to educate more people, but unfortunately that was the only role, as it couldn't endorse RP candidates.

RP R3VOLution

A great deal more focused this time,

And I have to give credit to the influx of talent here and the campaign. Thank you newbie's

double post


All I remember are the

All I remember are the blimps, spray paint logos, V for Vendetta references, and Break the Matrix TV.

It's run alot better now. (still as fun)

my diy adventure blog: dickdoesit.blogpsot.com

Don't you guys remember "DR"

Don't you guys remember "DR" Steve Parent and the caucus/delegate process? That was a huge drama that took away from the often promoted delegate process. Steve really did try to get people to understand that it was all about the delegates and Robert's Rules of Order...but his personality created HUGE drama (pro and anti)
The secret strategy I remember was the millions of dollars a few people promised. (one who is still on the DP) but I don't remember one word of a possible brokered convention.

I remember that drama

I never understood the anti-Dr Steve stuff. It seemed like he was really trying to educate political novices about how to get involved on a precinct by precinct party basis. Some didn't want to hear it and as I recall there were sort personal attacks against him. It got weird. I stopped reading those threads. Kind of turned me off the site.

I think there are a zillion little things that we've learned

since the last run. They all add up to a better oiled machine. When we fire up the DVDs4Delegates machine again, Im sure that will be smoother. As some have mentioned, this time we can walk out our front door without being gagged by "Hope & Change/ Obama". No one needs to Google Ron Paul anymore, they all know who he is and like him or not can see that there really IS a concerted effort to black him out. I think we're wiser this time. When the weird stuff comes flying at us, our reaction is more rational and measured. We have Jon Stewart, Judge Nap and others showing a lot of people what the MSM misses and why. I don't know- Ron Paul 2012 has the same soul, same heart but stronger arms I think. 4 years of a declining State of the Union coupled with 4 years of Ron Paul exposure has given us a much better field position.

No is your answer

There was no particular chatter. Also, the campaign had way more flaws. After Iowa, many people realized how bad the establishment was and is. Many of us had so much hope going into Iowa and our hearts hurt bad. We kept up the good fight. Dr. Paul did real good on the west and would have won Nevada if not for fraud.

In 2008, we say poll manipulation as results come in. Weird things happened. It was an eye opener to many of the people who had just woken up. There was no clear delegated strategy. This time the campaign is different. It is up to us to help beat the establishment.


was a kick in the groin, as well.

I don't recall any prominent

I don't recall any prominent winning strategy or a substantial understanding of delegates, nor do I recall discussing brokered conventions with any seriousness.

Incredible progress.

Now I am confident that the only way the convention won't be brokered is if RP wins enough delegates to carry it. Nobody else will.

I have a good feeling that RP will be debating Obama one way or another.

News coverage

if you can believe it was totally non exsistant. Now even though most of it is so so to bad. With some exceptions. People at least know he is there. He had a hard time getting in some debates. NH .. Fox omitted Dr. Paul from their exclusive debate. Remember Hanity was chased with snow balls because of it. There again was no news covering anything Ron Paul did or said except the old newsletters to bash him. He did do pretty well in the latter primaries. But, the msm never gave any of it coverage. They went totally for McCain as the presumptive winner after Huckabee dropped out. At the national convention Pauls delegates were not even given a chance to vote if I recall.
Things have changed from the last election. He actually is getting more air time now in the debates than he did back then. If you can believe that also.

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"

can somebody help?

i need info on a meet-up group for orange county, ca. also any info on a gop group in this area would be great. maybe it's just me, but i'm having a hard time finding these.


hope this link gives you the information you seek:

O.P.O.G.G. - Fighting the attempted devolution of the rEVOLution
Ron Paul 2012...and beyond

a thousand thank you's.