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Voter-fraud. Entry Polls Favor Paul!

Hello, my friendly Paul-ites! I have been watching entry-polls in the three states who have thusfar voted. I've been watching Florida, where Ron Paul seems to have a huge following. Pre-voting polls seem to favor BOTH Paul and Romney (rombot), yet I have a feeling the machine will be taking-away from Paul the votes we've all worked so hard at obtaining for him.
So, I have an idea.
Most of us have some form of video camera, even on our phones, or are otherwise equipped. I'd LOVE it if anyone who does support Ron Paul, or supports LIBERTY, would get out to the polls, but don't leave so quickly. Instead, get the poop on your own polling place(s). Simply ask those leaving ONE question: "Who did you vote for?". Take these videos and post, probably on youtube, so we can compare these real exit-polls to what the media is "sharing" with us.
I think, if we can share them, we can compare them, and if this movement can take off, the media WILL have to acquiesce; will have to admit that Ron Paul IS the popular vote.

Thanks. My youtube name and my twitter name are same as here. So, you can contact me any of these places if you have questions and/or ideas. I think it should be simple, though; just one question, film, post. Stick it to the "establishment"!

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While I appreciate all of the great other ideas there are to record accurately the vote, I think this is the one idea I'll stick with. I agree with other options, such as, a SITE where people can record their vote FOR Ron Paul.
Re: Recording Paul votes, ONLY? In my opinion, it defeats the purpose of obtaining an ACCURATE representation of the vote (ALL votes). I will say this: IF you decide to record votes, please think about this:
Wear NOTHING Paul-related (as if you were IN the polling station, where we are not to display any pro-candidate garb). Do not ask, "Did you vote for Ron Paul?"; instead, ONE QUESTION: "FOR whom did you vote?" and record the answer. It may not turn out how we want it to be, but I would trust US more than I would trust the news. I hope everyone understands why I feel this way.
If anyone wants to ALSO set-up a site where ALL of Paul's voters CAN RECORD their votes, please do. But, it's a different proposition, and is one I'd be happy to participate in too.
thanks!
Anne
Austin, TX (chomping at the bit, waiting for MY chance to vote-in RON PAUL 2012!)




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Florida is a safe haven for the Neo-Cons

they feel we are the most subservient because we are all service workers...

let's prove them wrong tomorrow!

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. -Henry Ford

RonPaulVote.com

I set it up with all Florida counties. Early voters should vote now, the rest tomorrow. You can only vote one time.

It's there if you want to pass it around. I'll speak with Danny and Paul here locally in Pinellas and let them know.

http://ronpaulvote.com/

Just went up 3:09pm today.

Exit Poll Issues

I don't think we could poll every voter exiting the voting machine
Many people won't want to tell you who they voter for (unlike all RP voters)
Many people will lie
It will be unreasonable to get every RP voter to buy or wear a "green" shirt (many will be on their way either to or from work).

I still prefer the vote twice solution over all other suggestions. They could sign an oath subject to voter fraud and perjury (either hard copy or online) to help ensure accuracy. I'm not yet sure how practical this is but if our numbers are different than the certified state results we would have grounds to contest the results.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I am not asking people to hang around polls ALL DAY!

I am asking you to get a SAMPLING of the vote(s) - and perhaps from different times of the day(s).
Also, IF you are in a CAUCUS state, it is imperative that you RECORD (video) YOUR caucus. Get the facts, regardless of WHOM it is won; we need the truth, either way.

OR, we may as well just sit on our hands and cry.... What I am asking is not difficult, nor is it impossible. It is quite simple. Please do not try to add things like "this color shirt" or, "only record Paul votes". as this DOES completely DEFEAT the purpose of this idea.
The MEDIA is NOT recording exit-polls and this is because they would get ANSWERS the do not want.. that being, Paul has taken a LOT more states than they want YOU to believe.

Jeez, just LOOK at Fargo, ND, last night. Look into OHIO, which is a mess, too. This is not usual or normal... and I am SURE it has all to do with VOTE-FRAUD.
So please just do it.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

I like the idea but it should not be centralized

I like the idea but it should not be centralized by posting youtube video results to one website (any website). As you were suggested "a SITE where people can record their vote FOR Ron Paul." This makes the grand tally of results vulnerable to manipulation. And if I was a member of the nefarious opposition, I would readily make such a website available for such a cause.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcGSi286a4&feature=plcp&cont...

I think of few of us a missing the point.

What Anne and I are wanting to find out is, do the actual votes match what we see on the MSM. If our unbiased, and I stress unbiased, results do not match the certified vote tally, then its a chance for us to say "WTF is goin on here" and I promise you if we do it correctly, the judge or Stossel will cover it. If we call them up and say " yeah our facebook and twitter count was differant then the results" or "We saw 90% red shirts at the voting booth and CNN said we only got 10%" they will laugh in our face. But if we document our polling stratagy and stick to an exact polling method accross the board, we may have a story. WE DO NOT WANT RESULTS TO SAY PAUL WON 90% OF THE VOTE JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE IT.

THANK YOU!

I was wondering if what I was saying just made zero sense and was trying to come up with different ways of saying same thing.. because, IF done accurately (and it seems easy to me), we MIGHT be able to get some real coverage on this. That would mean we might also influence some (esp the liars in gop) to not mess with us quite so badly...
thanks for re-wording my thoughts. It made complete sense the way you put it!

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Votes match exit-polls?

So far, NO. Vote-count has NOT been matching exit-polls, at ALL. I'd say was a fluke if once in a while or a few didn't match, but this makes ZERO sense.
I do say, ASK and RECORD ALL answers, no matter who the people vote for. Do not ask, "did you vote for Ron Paul", just: "FOR WHOM DID YOU VOTE?" Record answer, post online.. it will just be a (much more accurate) sampling of what people really are saying, and how people are voting.
Now, there are that percentage of voters who WILL say, "well if she and he and they voted Paul, maybe Paul's not so bad, and I'll vote for him". So, it will (maybe) have that effect. Of course, could be that we'll be getting closer to what I am SURE has been mis-handling, or mis-counting, of votes. Maybe, IF MSM gets it- that we are paying attention and WE are asking what's really happening, they will stop (some of) this garbage?
I'd just like to know what people really say and not what the NEWZEE folk SAY they say. Most polls, prior to vote, are pretty positive Paul. Some are postive PAUL afterward, and i just think we NEED to call the media and the GOP on discrepencies-- IF we actually find them. That is why I think we need a very broad sampling, though; so we can say , in so many (# of) precincts, actual numbers were: whatever it was,
like i said, IF I am wrong about this and am not comprehending what's being said on news, well, I am wrong. But, I look at the turnout(s) for Paul and how even NEWT had to cancel speaking engagements, due to LACK of turnout, and wonder, WHOSE votes did NEWT get? If people are saying, "I voted for Paul" by a good margin-- as IS being reported on news.. well, I'd like a bigger percentage of voters to verify that FACT. I ONLY want honest answers- HONEST polls, because I want truth, unlike we're used to seeing on tee-vee.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

This one was false

But, I look at the turnout(s) for Paul and how even NEWT had to cancel speaking engagements, due to LACK of turnout,

That's not what happened. There was an event that charged $99 per ticket minimum, and sold very few tickets. Gingrich canceled at the last minute due to low turnout, but it wasn't a Gingrich event. Paul was invited and spoke to an almost-empty auditorium. Santorum showed up too, and spoke to an even emptier auditorium.

Google will turn up articles confirming this. Here's one:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/low-turnout-at-...
There are youtube videos of Ron Paul speaking to a nearly-empty auditorium at the event.

And, so, Newt DID have to cancel..

Which means, what I said was NOT untrue.
Guy; your words belie the truth.

I'm happy to report on what I see is truth and what I've seen (plenty of it) as LIES. The lies really bother me.
So, if you want to post something that matters, like truth, fine; just don't try to call me out on something and then provide PROOF for me. That is simply silly!

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

the exit polls for the last

the exit polls for the last three seemed pretty accurate, didn't they? Ron Paul was in the lead early on in the CNN polls in Iowa, and it was accurate in NH.

Yet, he dropped to third in Iowa in the real (or fake) vote tally.

You didn't hear many "wtf CNN said person A was winning and he got third" rants

What exit-polls?

Sorry, but the MSM is, generally, NOT posting exit-polls. It's simply not happening.
And, all the while, we are seeing a lot of problems in vote-counts. Read Lew Rockwell from this morning, regarding what happened in HIS precinct. Paul won, yet? "They" gave it to Santorum, and that was after FOUR re-votes, which Santorum never WON.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Iowa, then NH, and come on--- SC?

Both Iowa and NH polls (exit and entrance polls) were very far off from what the vote count*s* were. Then came SC, which was terribly skewed in favor of News (In SC, it seemed per EXIT interviews, that they gave Newt Paul's votes, and Paul, Newt's votes).
Of course< IOWA blew my mind. Not one thing about IOWA made sense.
One more thing: IF your state holds CAUCUS, please see about being there, in your precinct, to videotape, because there have been at least two instances of "unusual acts" that took place in Iowa.

It's not a huge thing; just videotape a handful (well a dozen?) people coming out of your primary, tally polls, and post. It won't be exactly scientific, but will prove or disprove what we're up against with the GOP and the newz.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

I don't understand your point

When you say the vote counts were off, what do you mean? Exit polls are statistical samples, just like telephone polls before the election except they are asking people as they exit. They don't try to count all the votes at the exit, just a few that they can extrapolate from, just like in pre-election polling.

And what exit polls specifically are you looking at that are so far off? For SC, for example, I checked a couple of them and they were right in line with the official reported totals. (If anything, they were suspiciously close :-)).

Here's CNN's exit polling page for SC:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/sc
Sample size is 2,381. Newt got 40%, Paul got 13% (deriving it from the M/F lines). The reported percentages were 40.4% Newt, 13.0% Paul.

Even that-- exact numbers?

Just does not happen.
Besides, they are NOT making exit-poll videos. THey are doing "polls" which are skewed based on how they want it to go, then it goes that way.
The polls are independent, of a few people (a sampling), generally of GOP ONLY, while indies and dems are voting FOR Paul.
Sorry, but the same (exact same) numbers, yet NO real exit-polls, is not throwing me off. Rather, it is proving one of my POINTS.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Don't be discouraged if Ron

Don't be discouraged if Ron doesn't win Florida. It would be fantastic, but no one, not even the campaign is expecting him to. A whole lot of neocons in south florida. I keep seeing more and more Ron Paul signs though, and they are big ones too. Many more than the last election.

Nothing in FLA would surprise me..

Except maybe a PAUL landslide?
I know he has huge support there, but once people get into polls, who knows what takes over?

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

here's another idea, why not

here's another idea, why not have everyone who's gonna vote for ron paul, wear a specific color that day? surely if there are 2000 ron paul supporters at the polls in green, while there are only 1000 for romney in blue, and 700 for newt in black, it'll be in videos and pictures and if that particular county has romney at #1, newt at #2 then they can't spin it.

Now, how are you going to get the country to do that?

I'd say, if you want to do that, tell everyone you know to tell everyone they know to wear one color (whatever it is).. but, please do NOT count votes or do polling of exiting voters based on that. Surely not even ten percent of voters would get that message.
But, you could write-up a different post asking that they do it. I just don't see that happening.. not 100 percent, for sure.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Something Purple

Purple, as in the fusion of Red and Blue; the Purple Heart decoration for military merit, bravery, and honor; you know, those characteristics lacking in all of Dr. Paul's opponents and rivals?

Maybe even "light purple"...

What is "Red, White, and Blue" afterall.

Thanks

Man..I love this idea. Maybe

Man..I love this idea. Maybe many that do not know of the color will vote for Ron, but at least we could tell a lot..

guess what, though?

1, you will not get people to dress in same color (not a big enough percentage)
2. it really will not mean anything, as others will NOT know to NOT wear same or similar color.
3. WHY NOT MAKE REAL EXIT-POLLS? Why not get some FACTS that the MEDIA is ignoring this year?

IT IS our RIGHT to make these videos, to ask ONE question: who did you vote for, and RECORD the responses. Do NOT harass people, do NOT wear Paul gear. We want ALL answers, NOT JUST PRO-PAUL answers, or we don't have accurate sampling.

Is it that hard to video either CAUCUS (and yes, you CAN, legally do this) or Post- PRIMARY votes? Without this, we will NOT HAVE PROOF.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

color poll over exit poll

color poll over exit poll

yea good idea

wear super man shirts with RP on the front

H*farms4RonPaul

You are NOT allowed to wear GEAR of ANY candidate

to MOST primary places.
So, please; do not promote that. OR, if you do, write another post.
Please JUST VIDEO the real vote(s) or we will never get ANYWHERE as far as this VOTE-FRAUD is concerned.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

Voter Fraud...

I'm also, sick of the voter fraud. We can do something about it. Maybe we could get a grass root plan together. What about having a clipboard with exit polling done by us. Ask them who they voted for and if they would be willing to give us their name and address along with what precinct they belong to. Let's see how many Ron Paul supporters we can get stationed at as many polls as possible. After all they said, that we have a good ground organization. Than, upload it to a central coorindator person. We need to compare that to actual vote reported.

http://dprogram.net/2012/01/22/wayne-paul-talks-about-voting...

I am afraid that's invasive.

I see what you're saying, and i get the rationale as to why, but; people only will (barely) answer the question, and asking for their information is definitely off-putting. I would not give it to someone on the street, no matter how nice he or she was.. and we only need these videos to show the truth- regardless of what that truth is.
I am with others, too, who say; post a site where anyone can go and record their votes, especially votes for PAUL. That's much more voluntary (or seems so) than asking people for their information, which is a bit too much, imo.

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).

No matter what it

No matter what it is—SOMETHING must be done.

Smart minds think alike!

I made a post a few days ago with the same idea! This needs to be done. Once they leave the voting station there is zero evidence of the vote count. But i strongly discourage saying anything about ron paul. This will instantly ruin the results. It must be unbiased.... "who did u vote for?" period. No RP T-shirts or pins. And no spreading the ron paul message. Just ask the question. Think about it, if we get a 50% RP exit poll, and the MSM says we got 8%, any media willing to cover it will NOT touch it if they think its biased in any way.

Exactly!

So glad people are saying they want to do this and are volunteering for same. I HOPE we can get some FLA GOP (no matter WHO the are voting for, though I do think we're more honest as libertarians).. to jump on it and DO IT.
Would you be willing to make a video and post, prior to FLA primary? My videos, no kidding, are TERRIBLE.. so I am asking anyone who can make a (much) better one, which would be pretty easy, to do this.
Maybe a LOT of people need to post videos and ask that they do this-- prior to each primary and.or caucus? Honestly, my vids would be just words, with some odd yt music attached, cuz I am not even a novice.
What do you think about that?

We had SOME proof, but RNC does not care about Rules n Laws- they just break and then change 'em to suit whomever (not PAUL).