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American Republican Palestinian? Poor guy...

Last Palestinian Republican standing, and fact-checking Romney and Gingrich
By Ron Kampeas · January 26, 2012

 In tonight's Florida debate, Abraham Hassan, a Palestinian American, asked the GOP candidates how they would bring about peace in the Middle East -- and added, "As a Palestinian American Republican, I'm here to tell you, we do exist."

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2012/01/26/3091380/las...

I wish Ron Paul would have been able to respond to this question. 

The above link is to an article with the debate video along with an excerpt from a speech given by Obama. 

I hate to admit it but , personally I am closer to Obama on this issue than Romney and ol' loose lipped Gingrich.

"Palestinians are an invented people." Give me a break! By those standards, Americans are also an invented people.  

I implore anybody to look at the Below link, there is a map at the top of the page. Look at the size of the Gaza strip and tell me who got the raw end of the deal. 

I know that both sides are absolutely extreme in their hatred for one another, and both are guilty of truly horrific acts in their past. I argue we will never achieve peace in the middle east until we address our "persecution" of the Palestinians.   This is one of the greatest issues we face today. Certain Arabs will always resent us for our treatment of the palestinians. The best we could hope for is  the US to be frank about our actions and admit our mistakes in the region. 

I'm not sure if the "two state proposal" would ever result in equally strong and prosperous nations. From the below history, it would probably result in more of the same.

 I'm not sure if there will ever be  a solution to the deeper resentment issues at the heart of the conflict. 

I AM SURE , the conflict in the middle east is nothing less than blowback from the unilateral desire to create a Jewish state, after WWII the desire for this would lead to the creation of Israel and the never ending conflict. 

Below is an excerpt from what the  "U.S Department of State" has to say about the middle east and basic history of Israel.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3581.htm
 

HISTORY OF ISRAEL 
The creation of the State of Israel in 1948 was preceded by more than 50 years of efforts to establish a sovereign state as a homeland for Jews. These efforts were initiated by Theodore Herzl, founder of the Zionist movement, and were given added impetus by the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which asserted the British Government's support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

In the years following World War I, Palestine became a British Mandate and Jewish immigration steadily increased, as did violence between Palestine's Jewish and Arab communities. Mounting British efforts to restrict this immigration were countered by international support for Jewish national aspirations following the near-extermination of European Jewry by the Nazis during World War II. This support led to the 1947 UN partition plan, which would have divided Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem under UN administration.

On May 14, 1948, soon after the British quit Palestine, the State of Israel was proclaimed and was immediately invaded by armies from neighboring Arab states, which rejected the UN partition plan. This conflict, Israel's War of Independence, was concluded by armistice agreements between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria in 1949 and resulted in a 50% increase in Israeli territory.

In 1956, French, British, and Israeli forces engaged Egypt in response to its nationalization of the Suez Canal and blockade of the Straits of Tiran. Israeli forces withdrew in March 1957, after the United Nations established the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) in the Gaza Strip and Sinai. This war resulted in no territorial shifts and was followed by several years of terrorist incidents and retaliatory acts across Israel's borders.

In June 1967, Israeli forces struck targets in Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in response to Egyptian President Nasser's ordered withdrawal of UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula and the buildup of Arab armies along Israel's borders. After 6 days, all parties agreed to a cease-fire, under which Israel retained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, the formerly Jordanian-controlled West Bank of the Jordan River, and East Jerusalem. On November 22, 1967, the Security Council adopted Resolution 242, the "land for peace" formula, which called for the establishment of a just and lasting peace based on Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967 in return for the end of all states of belligerency, respect for the sovereignty of all states in the area, and the right to live in peace within secure, recognized boundaries.

The following years were marked by continuing violence across the Suez Canal, punctuated by the 1969-70 war of attrition. On October 6, 1973--Yom Kippur (the Jewish Day of Atonement), the armies of Syria and Egypt launched an attack against Israel. Although the Egyptians and Syrians initially made significant advances, Israel was able to push the invading armies back beyond the 1967 cease-fire lines by the time the United States and the Soviet Union helped bring an end to the fighting. In the UN Security Council, the United States supported Resolution 338, which reaffirmed Resolution 242 as the framework for peace and called for peace negotiations between the parties.

In the years that followed, sporadic clashes continued along the cease-fire lines, but guided by the U.S., Egypt and Israel continued negotiations. In November 1977, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat made a historic visit to Jerusalem, which opened the door for the 1978 Israeli-Egyptian peace summit convened at Camp David by President Jimmy Carter. These negotiations led to a 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, signed by President Sadat of Egypt and Prime Minister Menachem Begin of Israel, after which Israel withdrew from the Sinai in 1982.

In the years following the 1948 war, Israel's border with Lebanon was quiet relative to its borders with other neighbors. After the expulsion of Palestinian fighters from Jordan in 1970 and their influx into southern Lebanon, however, hostilities along Israel's northern border increased and Israeli forces crossed into Lebanon in 1978. After passage of Security Council Resolution 425, calling for Israeli withdrawal and the creation of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon peacekeeping force (UNIFIL), Israel withdrew its troops.

In June 1982, following a series of cross-border terrorist attacks and the attempted assassination of the Israeli Ambassador to the U.K., Israel invaded Lebanon to fight the forces of Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The PLO withdrew its forces from Lebanon in August 1982. Israel, having failed to finalize an agreement with Lebanon, withdrew most of its troops in June 1985 save for a residual force which remained in southern Lebanon to act as a buffer against attacks on northern Israel. These remaining forces were completely withdrawn in May 2000 behind a UN-brokered delineation of the Israel-Lebanon border (the Blue Line). Hezbollah forces in Southern Lebanon continued to attack Israeli positions south of the Blue Line in the Shaaba Farms/Har Dov area of the Golan Heights.

The victory of the U.S.-led coalition in the Persian Gulf War of 1991 opened new possibilities for regional peace. In October 1991, the United States and the Soviet Union convened the Madrid Conference, in which Israeli, Lebanese, Jordanian, Syrian, and Palestinian leaders laid the foundations for ongoing negotiations designed to bring peace and economic development to the region. Within this framework, Israel and the PLO signed a Declaration of Principles on September 13, 1993, which established an ambitious set of objectives relating to a transfer of authority from Israel to an interim Palestinian authority. Israel and the PLO subsequently signed the Gaza-Jericho Agreement on May 4, 1994, and the Agreement on Preparatory Transfer of Powers and Responsibilities on August 29, 1994, which began the process of transferring authority from Israel to the Palestinians.

On October 26, 1994, Israel and Jordan signed a historic peace treaty, witnessed by President Bill Clinton. This was followed by Israeli Prime Minister Rabin and PLO Chairman Arafat's signing of the historic Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on September 28, 1995. This accord, which incorporated and superseded previous agreements, broadened Palestinian self-government and provided for cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians in several areas.

Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated on November 4, 1995, by a right-wing Jewish radical, bringing the increasingly bitter national debate over the peace process to a climax. Subsequent Israeli governments continued to negotiate with the PLO resulting in additional agreements, including the Wye River and the Sharm el-Sheikh memoranda. However, a summit hosted by President Clinton at Camp David in July 2000 to address permanent status issues--including the status of Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, final security arrangements, borders, and relations and cooperation with neighboring states--failed to produce an agreement.

Following the failed talks, widespread violence broke out in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza in September 2000. In April 2001 the Sharm el-Sheikh Fact Finding Committee, commissioned by the October 2000 Middle East Peace Summit and chaired by former U.S. Senator George Mitchell, submitted its report, which recommended an immediate end to the violence followed by confidence-building measures and a resumption of security cooperation and peace negotiations. Building on the Mitchell report, in April 2003, the Quartet (the U.S., UN, European Union (EU), and the Russian Federation) announced the "roadmap," a performance-based plan to bring about two states, Israel and a democratic, viable Palestine, living side by side in peace and security.

Despite the promising developments of spring 2003, violence continued and in September 2003 the first Palestinian Prime Minister, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen), resigned after failing to win true authority to restore law and order, fight terror, and reform Palestinian institutions. In response to the deadlock, in the winter of 2003-2004 Prime Minister Sharon put forward his Gaza disengagement initiative, proposing the withdrawal of Israeli settlements from Gaza as well as parts of the northern West Bank. President George W. Bush endorsed this initiative in an exchange of letters with Prime Minister Sharon on April 14, 2004, viewing Gaza disengagement as an opportunity to move towards implementation of the two-state vision and begin the development of Palestinian institutions. In a meeting in May 2004 the Quartet endorsed the initiative, which was approved by the Knesset in October 2004.

The run-up to disengagement saw a flurry of diplomatic activity, including the February 2005 announcement of Lieutenant General William Ward and subsequently Lieutenant General Keith Dayton as U.S. Security Coordinator; the March 2005 Sharon-Abbas summit in Sharm el-Sheikh; the return of Egyptian and Jordanian ambassadors to Israel; and the May 2005 appointment of former World Bank president James D. Wolfensohn as Special Envoy for Gaza Disengagement to work for a revitalization of the Palestinian economy after disengagement.

On August 15, 2005, Israel began implementing its disengagement from the Gaza Strip, and the Israeli Defense Forces completed their withdrawal, including the dismantling of 17 settlements, on September 12. After broad recognition for Prime Minister Sharon's accomplishment at that fall's UN General Assembly, international attention quickly turned to efforts to strengthen Palestinian governance and the economy in Gaza. The United States brokered a landmark Agreement on Movement and Access between the parties in November 2005 to facilitate further progress on Palestinian economic issues. However, the terrorist organization Hamas--building on popular support for its "resistance" to Israeli occupation and a commitment to clean up the notorious corruption of the Palestinian Authority (PA)--took a majority in the January 2006 Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) elections, with Hamas leader Ismail Haniya as Prime Minister. The Israeli leadership pledged not to work with a Palestinian government in which Hamas had a role.

Shortly following Hamas' PLC victory, the Quartet--comprised of the United States, European Union, United Nations. and Russia--outlined three basic principles the Hamas-led PA must meet in order for the U.S. and the international community to reengage with the PA: renounce violence and terror, recognize Israel, and respect previous agreements, including the roadmap. The Hamas-led PA government rejected these principles, resulting in a Quartet statement of "grave concern" on March 30, 2006 and the suspension of U.S. assistance to the PA, complete prohibition on U.S. Government contacts with the PA, and prohibition of unlicensed transactions with the PA government. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) under the leadership of PLO Chairman and PA President Mahmud Abbas (Abu Mazen), by contrast, remained consistently committed to the Quartet principles.

Despite several negotiated cease-fires between Hamas and Fatah, violent clashes in the Gaza Strip--and to a lesser extent in the West Bank--were commonplace between December 2006 and February 2007 and resulted in dozens of deaths and injuries. In an attempt to end the intra-Palestinian violence, the King of Saudi Arabia invited Palestinian rivals to Mecca, and on February 9, 2007, Abbas and Hamas leader Haniya agreed to the formation of a Palestinian national unity government and a cessation of violence. Hamas' rejectionist policies and violent behavior continued despite the formation of the national unity government.

In June 2007, Hamas effectively orchestrated a violent coup in Gaza. Hamas also launched scores of Qassam rockets into southern Israel in an attempt to involve Israel in the Hamas-Fatah conflict. On June 14, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas exercised his lawful authority by declaring a state of emergency, dissolving the national unity government, and replacing it with a new government with Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister.

The Palestinian Authority (PA) government under President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad has no elements controlled by Hamas. The government is dedicated to pursuing a negotiated solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Quartet principles. As a result, the PA has been supported politically and financially by the international community, and engaged by Israel. The U.S. reinstated its assistance to the PA in 2007 and provides budget and development assistance as well as support for the PA’s efforts to reform and improve security and rule of law in the West Bank.

In November 2007, Israeli and Palestinian leaders participated in an international conference in Annapolis, at which they committed to launch bilateral negotiations towards the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and the realization of Israeli-Palestinian peace. During the year that followed, Israeli Prime Minister Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Abbas and other members of their governments engaged in regular bilateral negotiations on final status issues. Although the two sides reportedly narrowed their differences on some issues, the negotiations were suspended in December 2008 when conflict broke out between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

On December 27, 2008, in response to a sharp increase in the number and frequency of rocket attacks into Israel shortly prior to and following the formal expiration of a 6-month "calm" between Israel and Hamas, the Israel Defense Forces launched Operation Cast Lead, targeting Hamas security installations, personnel, and other facilities in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military operation continued until January 18, 2009, when Israel and Hamas each declared a unilateral cease-fire.

On January 22, 2009, President Barack Obama named Senator Mitchell his and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s special envoy for Middle East peace. Special Envoy Mitchell immediately traveled to the region and has subsequently returned on a nearly monthly basis in an effort to help create the conditions that would support a two-state solution as part and to re-launch credible and productive negotiations. The President has visited Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia and hosted Prime Minister Netanyahu and numerous Arab heads of state in Washington, DC. On September 22, 2009 he hosted a trilateral meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Abbas, and he has written to over a dozen Arab heads of state asking for their assistance in ending the Arab-Israeli conflict. Senator Mitchell began indirect talks between the two parties in March 2010, and direct talks were launched on September 2, 2010 in Washington, DC. Secretary Clinton has met many leaders from the region and has traveled to the Middle East multiple times since her appointment to promote a Middle East peace settlement.

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I know our own problems at home are massive and will be difficult resolve. However, there are some issues we cannot avoid and the middle east is one of them. 

I am very curious what Ron Paul has to say about the conflict in the middle east. Typically the question is about Israel and of course RP always supports their sovereignty. This is respectable, but what about the  sovereignty of the palestinians? 

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Believe me, the Palestinian

Believe me, the Palestinian man was none too pleased. My good friend who is also of Palestinian descent, knows that guy and her entire table at the watch party in Jacksonville included her cousins---the entire table was none too pleased either.

My friend turned it around by posting Ron's stance via a YT on her FB page and schooled those who were hesitant about Ron Paul. Her tactic made opened some minds.

Do you have the link to the

YT video she used?

It's not our business

The Ottomans sold them much of the land not God and they took some in the 67' war which I wouldn't be happy about either if it were my land.

The resentment comes in when foriegn countries buy influence from our corrupt govt that's ends up costing us blood and treasure. Most Americans prefer a fair fight so that comes in to a degree too

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

I agree it shouln't have been of any our business. Unfortunatly

We got involved and now it is our buisiness. We can try to ignore it and walk away but the Arabs surly wont.

This is a critical issue in parts of the world and i wish Ron Paul would have been given time to articulate his position. I know its political suicide to make the argument i made in my post... but it's a realistic position and in line with the "golden Rule"

I read your whole post and

I read your whole post and although not assimilating all of it, I could see no reason why the US and England got all involved in that conflict. Was it because England seemed to give that land to the Jewish people? All I know is that the Jews fought the Egyptians and the Phoneticians, and who knows who else since their history began, and their calendar is over 5000 years, and counting. I grew up Jewish and went to Sunday school and learned all their history, and guess what? THEY WERE ALWAYS FIGHTING SOMEONE! 3000 years before Christ came they were fighting. Some places ran pigs through their temples and threw them in dens with lions, and made them bow down to Kings, or killed them. They fought the Egyptians and even giants! There was no time of peace that I ever learned about. Ever.

Thank you!

It's amazing, some people think War is peace i suppose...

I Hope More Middle East

I Hope More Middle East Brothers And Sisters Support Saint PAUL.

it was insulting the way Gingrich and Romey

treated that Pal guy in the debate...I bet if the guy was Christian or Jew it would have been a whole double standard. Not that either group has it easy in some circles. Boy do we need to get to individual rights and quit this nonsense of dividing people into groups

Obama would have at least given the guy lip service. We really need to turn these haters in the Repug party. It's terrible..

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

I won't read the thread because it is too long and involved

I just want an answer to the question of "What do we do with the Jews?"

This was Hitler's problem. He convinced a whole nation to pack the Jews off into concentration camps. His final solution was to get rid of the Jews.

What is your final solution?

My final solution is to honor God's sovereign authority over his creation. He gave the Jews that land, they are capable of keeping that land for themselves. God is capable of keeping his people and extracting retribution from those who stand against his people, destroy his people or otherwise harm or molest his people. God is capable of softening the hearts of the enemies of his people to bless them for their obedience, or hardening the hearts of the enemies of his people to bring judgment upon them for their dis-obedience.

So, as compassionate people, created in the image of God. Wise enough not to touch God's anointed (because God only uses his enemies for judgment for a season and then he judges the people who allowed themselves to be used for evil) -- it is a no win position to be enemies of God. So, what is your final solution of the "Jewish" problem?

What's your final solution for the Palestinians? Get rid of them

I don't believe that anybody's God gives them the right to kill their enemy. That's just how it works and it's called WAR. A human flaw, not godly...

In my post i said i didn't know what the solution was, but we have to admit the Palestinians have been mistreated for a long time.

lets get real - is the conflict in the middle east all the Palestinians fault? Please don’t say yes b/c that is unrealistic.

just getting back

It is not about whose "fault" it is. It is about the fact that the land was given to the Jews by the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Therefore, any attempt to remove them from the land will be detrimental to the people trying to remove them. God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. No idolatrous society can avoid that reality. God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, is eternal. He is eternally present to watch over his word to perform it. The Jews have given Palestinians the freedom to keep their side of the land as long as the Palestinians don't bomb them and agree to live peacefully with them. The Palestinians continue to refuse to live peacefully with the Jews. The only way God will allow the Palestinians to defeat the Jews in battle is if he wants to use the Palestinians to bring his people out of their own condition of corruption. If he does use the Palestinians for this purpose, he will (at the appointed time) allow the Jews to regain their land. Once again, God will be merciful to whom he will be merciful and people who exalt themselves against his absolute rule over his own creation, will find themselves subject to the laws of nature and of nature's God which operate just as surely as gravity operates. Corruption of heart and mind, produces corruption of body and soul, which produces bloody violent death. The only salvation comes through unconditional surrender to God's eternal righteousness, eternal goodness, eternal justice, eternal love, eternal mercy, etc. Everything that God is is eternal. There is no place of escape from the eternal laws of God except by way of repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (aka the Messiah), the anointed one, the holy one of Israel, the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. That is the final solution. All other solutions result in a bloody violent end.

You are a very deceived individual.

God gave the land to the ancient Israelites.
The modern day Jews are almost all Ashkenazi, who by definition are not descended from the Israelites, are not even Semites, had NO ancestors who lived anywhere near that land, and have no claim(blood/heredity or otherwise) to that land.
It's ALL a scam. And they know it, too.

Look in your Bible. Prove it to yourself.
Ashkenaz is in the line of Japheth, not Shem. They can't be semites or Israelites.
It's in Genesis, after the flood. Read it yourself.
It's right there, but nobody reads the Bible anymore. They just spout what some pastor or "religious leader" told them, and make the unsupportable assumption that modern Israel has anything to do with the ancient Israelites. There's no connection. It was a manufactured lie to fool you. And it worked.

man that was awful, how they treated him

I wonder how would go if that was An American Indian or An African American or a Jew , it would not have went well very embarrasing

I didn't read thread cause

I have to learn but wanted to just I felt sorry for that fellow also.

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