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OWS is not what I thought it was and may not be what you think it is.

I used to try and make the case for us RP supporters participating in OWS when we can but I've come to some conclusions that are worth sharing. After reading this article the following article my mind was blown. I think other conspiracy realists like myself are concerned about this and that is comforting but we really need to keep our eye on them especially when it comes to voting time in California.

I'm watching a live stream of #OccupyOakland and they are saying some pretty scary stuff like, (paraphrasing) "You don't need to be smart to be a citizen in my book. You don't need to know who George Washington is. All you need to know is how to work a camera and to come out here to be a true American."

I believe that they mastered the technique of co-opting anarchist-like organizations including OWS.

It might be wise to inform all RP supporters who still have ties to OWS that they should tip off the smart ones about how OWS in Iowa was co-opted to serve a political purpose.

Here's the link: http://www.theendrun.com/something-rotten-in-iowa-the-hackti...

Here's the UStream where #OccupyOakland is active now: http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland (See for yourself!)

The news media is also harnessing their energy for political purposes unknown. From what I hear, CNN just recently made this rally in Oakland look like WWIII. I'll post the vid if I can find it on youtube.

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It is a mixed bag.

There are good individuals, and bad individuals. It was having an effect, of course it was co-opted.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

OWS is made up of individuals

The views expressed by one or more does not equate to the whole movement you collectivist... :) I fully support OWS.

they're made up of individuals

then you support a collective


If the movement is AGAINST

our government, then it isnt all bad.

you think their ideas are worse than our failed government's????


Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

they are too diverse, and,

if it doesn't make sense to hold anyone responsible because they are too diverse

then it makes no sense to support anyone because they are so diverse

this is why a movement like paul's has figure heads (the pauls, duh), so responsibility can be assigned

a movement that claims no responsibility for anything regardless of potential bad policies they may be espousing, does not deserve respect.

What if the Occupy movement

What if the Occupy movement really was just a grassroots movement fed up with an oppressive and authoritarian government? What if the government were to throw in a handful of bad guys now and then to have the media discredit the whole bunch? What if it was the same media that has been ignoring Ron Paul and telling us he's racist and crazy? What if OWS and Ron Paul supporters found common ground and formed an independent party? And what if that same party pulled disenfranchised voters from both the left and the right as well?

Controlled Opposition

OWS is a massive failure, it was just a redirection of genuine dissent into controlled opposition.

It turned into mobs of people asking the government that created this problem to do more of the same things it did to create the problem, to fix the problem it created.

What is revolutionary about that?

How is that change?

It was a just a safety valve for the establishment, letting out some steam to keep the boiler from exploding.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Thank you for you observations

Thank you for your observations, you are correct. The OWS is and has always been a manufactured "grass roots" uprising, one created by the extreme far left, I.E. socialists.
In fact the entire intent and outdoors for this group is to foster anarchy that will cause a "top down" response resulting in declared martial law, I think that will occur in late August early Sepember this year.
ever wonder why Nancy Puglosi could state Newt would never become president because she had new information? She didn't say the information, or even if the information was about Newt specifically, just that "she knows something". Then a day later she quickly retracts her statement?personally, I think she almost let the cat out of the bag.
Be prepared, but pray I'm incorrect.

Ron Paul 2012

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

If they put us in a FEMA camp for supporting RON PAUL

it's going to be crowded.


Well put

The key here, like you said, is that it's all about co-option. All "they" need to do is have a few key "agents of influence" with strong personalities come in, and then these people can take charge, lead the rest, and ultimately steer the ship. It's no different than the way organizations like the CFR dominate our entire society with a tiny fraction of the overall population. You don't have to control every person, just the leaders. Or, if you just want to discredit an organization or movement, you can just send in one bad guy (or a handful of bad guys) and then use the media to point to them and discredit the whole bunch.

I hope everyone reads that very important article you posted. (http://www.theendrun.com/something-rotten-in-iowa-the-hackti...)

In my opinion The "Occupy" movement has NO interest in freedom

They strive for exactly the opposite. They protest the status quo for giving them too many freedoms! They want the Government cheese and are willing to enslave themselves in order to get it.

Oh I agree

Just saying that many of them are at least well-intentioned in the sense that they genuinely know that something is corrupt/wrong and in their minds they think they are doing something righteous and productive to fix it. However, as you say, most of them are our ideological opponents in the sense that they are collectivists and think big government is the solution instead of understanding that it is the problem. They propose more government power in response to problems created by too much government power.

I just want to differentiate between the well-intentioned but naive/ignorant, and the literal infiltrators/operatives that really push things over the edge, making sure that the "Occupiers" play right into the hands of the very forces they think they are opposing (even more so than they already are with their already-misguided solutions and demands).

I do think the latter have been present since the very beginning and played a major role in "founding" the "Occupy" movement in the first place, so in that sense it was co-opted/doomed/counter-productive/false opposition since the start.