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Please don't spread misinformation about primary ballot status and delegates

I keep seeing well-meaning comments from Ron Paul supporters claiming that certain other candidates are either not on some state primary ballots and/or they don't have an opportunity to win delegates in certain states. Illinois is one of the states frequently mentioned in these comments. I haven't done the research in the other states, but here's what I found out from combing through the filings on the Illinois State Board of Elections site (www.elections.il.gov) and having looked up the delegate allocation rules of the Illinois GOP:

1. The Illinois GOP presidential primary ballot will include six candidates: Paul, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry and Roemer.

2. Illinois will send 69 delegates to the GOP presidential nominating convention.

3. Three Illinois delegates will be superdelegates, appointed by the state central committee.

4. Twelve Illinois delegates will be "at-large delegates" allocated proportionately based on the primary vote (only candidates receiving more than 10 percent of the vote are eligible to win any of the at-large delegates.

5. The remaining 54 delegates will be elected from Illinois' 18 congressional districts. Each congressional disctrict elects either 2, 3 or 4 delegates, based on some criteria (probably the number of registered republicans in the district, or the district's previous republican vote totals). The names of the delegates (and alternates) are actually on the ballot, and voters cast their votes for specific delegate candidates. (I was a Ron Paul delegate candidate in IL-CD14 in 2008, so I know what I'm talking about.) In other words, there's no real link between voting for the presidential candidate and voting for delegates. You could theoretically vote for Gingrich for president and vote for Ron Paul's four delegates in your district.

6. Among the presidential candidates in Illinois, three candidates have full slates of delegates (and alternates) on the ballot: Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. Santorum has 44 delegates running, and Perry has one.

So please, when you're making statements about the status of the Illinois primary, deal in the facts. And the facts are that all four remaining candidates are on the ballot, and all but Santorum have full slates of delegates.

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So does that mean

that Illinois doesn't need any more Ron Paul supporters to become delegates?

Ron Paul: In it to win it...

..WASHINGTON, January 29, 2012—During this primary season, many political pundits have assumed that Ron Paul is not actively trying to win the Presidency. To them, he is simply a message candidate who has some interesting ideas but no path to the nomination. Dr. Paul is seen as too much of a fringe candidate by the mainstream media and therefore considered unelectable. The facts, however, say otherwise. This time around, the Ron Paul campaign is more organized, has better advisors, and is actually campaigning to win.

Along with establishment candidate Mitt Romney, Ron Paul is the only candidate who was able to get on the ballot in all fifty states. Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum will not get enough delegates from the states they have qualified for to receive the Republican nomination. Rick Santorum still has very poor name recognition, and Newt Gingrich is one of the most polarizing political figures of our generation , and he could not even get on the ballot in his home state. In other words, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul are the only electable candidates to choose from.

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http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/politica...
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I will give you 1 guess why those other two candidates are in this and it isn't to win as THEY CAN"T!

Anyone?

Is it not true that Santorum did not get enough signatures in

some parts of Illinois to be eligible for all the delegates?

I had read that but I guess it has changed now.

Edit: I guess not, he is excluded in DC and VA

Read the post

Santorum has 44 delegate candidates in the Ill. congressional districts, of a possible maximum of 54.

gotcha

went right over my head.

According to Huffington Post,

Santorum failed to file full slate of delegates in Illinois and Ohio. He is also NOT on the ballot in Virginia and DC.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/virginia-primary-ba...

Do you have a link to where this has changed, Paulverize? I can find no links to that information...

Gingrich is not on the ballot in Virginia and Missouri.

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no, I was just going by a chart

I would say your information looks good.

this chart, it seems it needs more work.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYfmYrlI2fedDJ...

According to the Romney campaign...

Santorum is not on the ballot at all in D.C. or VA, and filed less than a full slate of delegates in OH and TN, and "far less" than a full slate in IL. Gingrich is not on the ballot at all in VA, filed less than a full slate in TN, and won't be on the ballot for the MO primary (though that doesn't necessary effect MO delegate selection).

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/team-ro...

http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/01/11/mitt-romney-spokespe...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Thanks, it seems to depend on where you look for the info

It is different all over, lol

good info..ty

good info..ty