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Maine GOP town chair says Ron Paul has big lead in caucus

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/29/news/midcoast/caucuses...

According to the incoming GOP town chair, a Romney supporter, Ron Paul's people dominated her town's caucus and probably lead in the entire county vote.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/29/news/midcoast/caucuses...




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Is it true

the total vote count for Maine's 2008 Caucus was 5,xxx? If so, it really points out how disenchanted Americans are with our politics. Maine's population is 1.3 Million.

Ron Paul's Team is Boston Democrats?

SERIOUSLY?!?!?

First of all, ALL Mainers HATE Massachussetts Carpet-baggers, even insane liberals like my Aunt.

And now you are saying that the Ron Paul campaign HIRED Mass Dems to run the Maine campaign? HELLO?!?!? Ever heard of "VETTING" someone?

If this is true, the campaign is WORSE than incompetent.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

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of, by and for Mainiacs for the rest of us

http://www.dailypaul.com/210299/can-ron-paul-win-maine-yes

I posted a new article which has links to more information about Maine.

You can see that the work is being done of, by and for Mainiacs (who are also doing it for the rest of us).

In all presidential campaigns there are people who travel for the campaign to represent the campaign and to help locals get the job done.

I see nothing wrong with Boston, except the Red Sox and the annoying way they all sound (but as bad as they sound, they aren't half as bad as anyone from Brooklyn) :)

Sorry, meant to be a response to below comment!

Sorry, this posted at the top, I guess because DP had logged me out. This was a response to the behind-the-scenes details of what's going on in Maine below, from Edward Cohen.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

bump.

bump.

Mitt vs Ron

Vote on this poll, Mitt vs Ron...who would win if Rick and Newt finally concede defeat?
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Hey bro...

...Please post the results here as many of us DO NOT DO FACE(CIA)BOOK.

SFFSF

Yes on posts- NO on FBook

I don't "do" the fbook, either, so I would really appreciate ALL of the info being posted here, in order for ME to see it.

Thanks, appreciate that!
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Please videotape ALL votes, for Paul, for USA, for ALL.

They're tied and likely to stay that way.

The freakin' poll doesn't work.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Preventing Voter Fraud

TIP to Maine Ron Paul supporters: VIDEOTAPE Ron Paul supporters entering the Caucus locations to use as EVIDENCE to prove those votes were in fact cast! Seriously, even if you have to stand 100 feet outside the location, if ALL RP supporters who are registered to vote at each location are on videotape entering before the caucus doors close, then no other campaign or Party fascists will be able to dispute the votes RP actually received! Yeah, this is a violation of privacy, but sometimes you have to play by the rules of the ENEMY in order to fairly win the game! I never allow my picture to be taken, but if I lived in a caucus state I would make an exception for this very reason.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

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not a privacy violation

Photograpy/videography of people in a public place where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy isn't a violation of the law.

The key is "reasonable expectation of privacy". If I invaded your home with camera, that would be in violation. If I took video of you while we both happened to be strolling on the public sidewalk, in most cases there would be no violation of privacy.

People standing outside the caucus venue, on indisputably public property would not be in violation as long as they didn't disrupt and didn't block ingress/egress.

That said, the best way to document is to require that the tallies be announced to all who are present and voting. That way, each delegate is a witness to the final vote totals...this has been recommended by the people organizing the Ron Paul campaign in Maine.

The way it's been working, at least in some locations, is that any news media is asked to leave just prior to the vote...but there is no reason the tally cannot be announced to all the delegates, at which point it becomes public knowledge.

This is very good and should

This is very good and should indeed be done.

CONFUSED! Was this an actual Caucus Vote?

I thought the Maine caucuses were from the 3rd or 4th through the 11th? Having one week of various caucuses is bad enough, but this two weeks out is ridiculous!

It said it was a "Straw poll." Is that the same thing as an official caucus?

As far as voter fraud, I will assume that when votes ARE announced that they will be released PER LOCATION. In other words, Unity - 20 total votes. Ron Paul - 8, Romney - 6, Gingrich - 4, Santorum - 2. Just an EXAMPLE! In other-words, people will KNOW if the official tally from their location is correct or not, especially if they took attendance in advance. I mean, Paul supporters are pretty obvious, and I'm sure Santorum voters would be up in arms if their candidate didn't receive any votes. As long as there is an attendance sheet, it will be pretty hard to change the results.

As for the Unity Party Chair - a 20 year-old Romney supporter? Is that a JOKE? ;)

As far as Ron Paul coverage in the Downeast / Bangor area, I believe Paul has the most coverage and buzz, because my Aunt, a raging Obamabot Liberal Femi-Nazi, lives there and in 2008 she even gave him props for having the most visible supporters and local coverage!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

First, congratulate me for

First, congratulate me for getting kicked out of Jews for Ron Paul after defending this website for supporting Palestine.

Second, Maine GOP executive committee and all county committees are backing Mitt Romney. They intend to elect as many town chairs, delegate chairs and county chairs as possible to help elected all national delegates to convention, as they successfully did in 2008.

Third, the brown envelops that have the caucus instructions and reporting forms are being withheld from any potential Ron Paul supporters and have been sent only to Mitt supporters, or nobody at all.

4. Case in point, Waterville City GOP chair, Andy Roy has been ignored by the county and state committee and Kim Pettengill, Kennebec County state committeewoman, sent the brown envelop to Neal Patterson who did not show up at the last city caucus where Andy Roy was elected and chosen to run for Waterville mayor.

5. Case in point, if you look at Monday 1/31/12 Morning Sentinel, front page center, observe color photo of the same Kim Pettengill (above) supervising the Fairfield GOP caucus.
Remember, Kim lives in Kennebec County, and Fairfield is Somerset. What was she doing there, she organized it to make sure that Mitt shitts got elected to chairs.

6. Who did Kim Pettingill send the brown packet to in Waterville? Why Neal Patterson, of course, the 2008 Waterville delegate chair who refused to seat me at the 2008 Maine state convention. Neal is a counterfeit Ron Paul supporter. He will see that Colby students get all delegate and alternate seats to convention, and none of them will attend. He and Kim Pettingill will then replace them with Mitt Shitts. DDSOS. Remember, we killed in 2008 presidential preference,and got skunked in national delegates.

7. Who else is going along with this charade. I worked with Armand Madore on the Jerry Browne campaign in 1980. Many believed that Armand was, in fact, a republican hoping to nominate the weakest dimdem candidate. It mattered little to me or anyone else. 32 years later, who gets appointed Maine Campaign Chair for Ron Paul - Armand's brother, Paul Madore. Who does he hire to staff Falmouth HQ, a crew of sissyboy carpetbaggers from south of the border. What do they know about Maine GOP politics and caucus, absolutely nothing. How is it that in 2008, two guns from Lewiston were hired to head the campaign first district - John Michael and Stavros Mendros. Where did they find Madore - Lewiston. What party dominates Lesiston/Auburn?

Ron Paul's Team is Boston Democrats???

SERIOUSLY?!?!?

First of all, ALL Mainers HATE Massachussetts Carpet-baggers, even insane liberals like my Aunt.

And now you are saying that the Ron Paul campaign HIRED Mass Dems to run the Maine campaign? HELLO?!?!? Ever heard of "VETTING" someone?

If this is true, the campaign is WORSE than incompetent.

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

Mitt Romney owns Ron Paul organizers

First, congratulate me for getting kicked out of Jews for Ron Paul after defending this website for supporting Palestine.

Second, Maine GOP executive committee and all county committees are backing Ron Paul. They intend to elect as many town chairs, delegate chairs and county chairs as possible to help elected all national delegates to convention, as they successfully did in 2008.

Third, the brown envelops that have the caucus instructions and reporting forms are being withheld from any potential Ron Paul supporters and have been sent only to Mitt supporters, or nobody at all.

4. Case in point, Waterville City GOP chair, Andy Roy has been ignored by the county and state committee and Kim Pettengill, Kennebec County state committeewoman, sent the brown envelop to Neal Patterson who did not show up at the last city caucus where Andy Roy was elected and chosen to run for Waterville mayor.

5. Case in point, if you look at Monday 1/31/12 Morning Sentinel, front page center, observe color photo of the same Kim Pettengill (above) supervising the Fairfield GOP caucus.
Remember, Kim lives in Kennebec County, and Fairfield is Somerset. What was she doing there, she organized it to make sure that Mitt shitts got elected to chairs.

6. Who did Kim Pettingill send the brown packet to in Waterville? Why Neal Patterson, of course, the 2008 Waterville delegated chair who refused to seat me at the 2008 Maine state convention. Neal is a counterfeit Ron Paul supporter. He will see that Colby students get all delegate and alternate seats to convention, and none of them will attend. He and Kim Pettingill will then replace them with Mitt Shitts. DDSOS. Remember, we killed in 2008 presidential preference,and got skunked in national delegates.

7. Who else is going along with this charade. I worked with Armand Madore on the Jerry Browne campaign in 1980. Many believed that Armand was, in fact, a republican hoping to nominate the weakest dimdem candidate. It mattered little to me or anyone else. 32 years later, who gets appointed Maine Campaign Chair for Ron Paul - Armand's brother, Paul Madore. Who does he hire to staff Falmouth HQ, a crew of sissyboy carpetbaggers from south of the border. What do they know about Maine GOP politics and caucus, absolutely nothing. How is it that in 2008, two guns from Lewiston were hired to head the campaign first district - John Michael and Stavros Mendros. Where did they find Madore - Lewiston. What party dominates Lesiston/Auburn?

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outside looking in

Thank you for explaining that photograph of the Chair in the wrong location.

I wondered about that when I saw it...

As for the rest of what you write, past affiliations of any current Ron Paul supporter isn't in and of itself suspect.

Heck, are we to denounce you because once upon a time you supported Governor Moonbeam?

Again, thank you for the explanation of that lady in the wrong place, it was curious, and probably ominous as well :)

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not till May

The actual selection of delegates to the national won't occur until May, at the Maine state convention.

The votes for candidates at each town caucus is a "preference vote" and means nothing, really. It's just an indication of who is there.

The real story is who elects delegates to the state convention.

And, it's not really closed in Maine until March. One or a few towns are holding off till then to hold their caucuses.

No, the 20 year old is not a joke. You have something against young people? Do you like older people in charge? How is that working out for you?

Yes, the votes are being announced, if the Ron Paul people have anything to say about it...they've been well trained and many of the people were thru this last time around.

Not really the age thing, but the ROMNEY thing!

Seriously! How do you become the Chair of the local GOP? Isn't that voted on?

I would think the Chair should have at least been able to have voted in ONE prior Presidential race!

This is the problem with the Parties - it's all closed-door behind-the-scenes crap! How can anyone vote on someone who has not proven his / her loyalties to similar values of the people he / she is supposed to represent?

Just saying! I mean, if it is true that MOST Unity Republicans are for Ron Paul, then how does their representative end up being a Romney supporter? They might as well have voted in an Obama supporter!

I may be a vegetarian, but I'll defend to the death my right to eat meat!

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You need to get used to "the Romney thing"

Working within the GOP means working with people affiliated with other candidates.

Those are the rules of the road.

You are right, it's often obscured, backroom "crap"; but we're talking the GOP and if anyone ever promised you a Rose Garden, they either were ignorant or lying. The GOP is a corrupt institution (like the Democratic Party). For now, it's what a Ron Paul supporter has to work with, warts and all.

The fact that a Romney supporter, an incoming Chair, no less, is outgunned in her own town and county, and publicly admits it is very promising for our side. That's why I posted the link to the article.

Do we have any RPers in the

Do we have any RPers in the state leadership?

Yes...

...we have probably a 50/50 split on the state committee if not more up here. Our eyes are on it. We are doing our best. Ron Paul can and will win Maine!

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You are doing great work!

Kliene53,

From what I can see, you are doing great work!

I appreciate the way Ron Paul Mainiacs are exchanging information about each caucus and discussing how to handle different situations.

I noticed that in at least one instance the bad guys tried changing the time of the caucus and you folks caught it and still got more people there.

Rock On!

Not every body in Maine has had a chance to vote yet...

Where we live we vote February 11, 2012.

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I understand that - BUT:

The GOP in Maine stated that the results will be kept secret until Feb 11th, THAT is what I was questioning! Where will these votes be kept for 2 weeks & WHO is watching them? In IOWA, votes were lost, missing, NOT counted & IMO - In 2 weeks, ALOT can happen & will!

Thanks - :)

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the vote totals can be announced at each caucus

In each caucus the Ron Paul campaign is attempting to elect a "Delegate Chair" and delegates.

Between the Ron Paul people in attendance and those in charge of proceedings, someone needs to announce the tallies to all in attendance. This is the plan.

The Town GOP chair opens the meetings in each caucus.

The caucus will choose delegates and a "delegate chair".

The Ron Paul campaign is passing instructions to announce the vote.

There is NO secrecy to those in the room IF that vote is announced. That's a safeguard, since the Ron Paul people then can report those numbers and compare them with what the State later reports.

From what I've seen, the Maine RP people are on top of this stuff, and constantly exchanging information to make sure everyone does the right things at the caucuses.

The concept is important

The concept is important because you don't want the results to leak out slowly, altering the future voting. While I totally agree with the concept I do think the way they go about it is stupid. Just having everyone vote on one day would completely solve that problem. But that makes way too much sense for politics.

3 ???'s FOR THE CAMPAIGN!!!

IOWA - MISSING VOTES!!!

NEVADA - SPECIAL CAUCUS NIGHT 4 NEWT'S BILLIONAIRE!!!

MAINE - RESULTS HELD IN SECRET 4 TWO WEEKS!!!

I LOVE RON PAUL - BUT, I MUST ASK THIS:

WHAT THE HELL IS THE CAMPAIGN DOING ABOUT ANY OF THESE???

WOW - IMO! :)

In Nevada...

We are screaming bloody murder, contacting media, and doing everything we can.

It's also quite possible that traffic will be so bad on Saturday evening near the Adelson school that no one will be able to get near it.

bobspirit, would it be

bobspirit, would it be possible to videocam all entrances of that special polling location? Assuming everyone votes for Newt there, other than that, since it's pretty obvious a pro-Newt location it's not like all the voters are going to go to that special poll, no? Also, no absentee ballot will be cast there, right? Then the main worry is counting how many people go into this place.