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This May Seem Like A Stupid Question but-Are We Trying to WIN?

Please No "Movement" or long haul replies. Yes it is an obvious given that many will keep fighting.

The question is; are we REALLY trying to win the 2012 Republican Nomination for Ron Paul?

VOTE BY AGE

6% **************15%**********43% ***********36%
18-29*********** 30-44******* 45-64**********65 and Older

Florida (CLOSED)Primary, Exit Poll
Source CNN

Ages 45-65+ Total Percentage of Vote=79%

Ron Paul, Florida Primary Results=7% of Vote, 4th(Last)Place

Numerous threads and SuperPAC activity demonstrate there was an RP effort in FL.

Events move VERY quickly on and after Super Tuesday.

Think back to how you felt on Super Tuesday 2008.

Are you satisfied with the prospect of maybe a speaking spot at the convention? A bone tossed at us by Romney?

Do You really think by some miracle the GOP/Establishment is suddenly going to cave to us because they can't beat Obama without us?

Do you think the establishment will get everything they want Obama, Romney, Grinch or Santi?

One Last question:

Any chance one of the many creative folks here at the DP might produce a very slick vid targeting the 79%?




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There will be a "brokered" convention. Simple explanation.

The object is to gather enough delegates that one candidate cannot "win" the nomination outright ON THE FIRST VOTE and then go into the "brokering". Once the first vote is held, and nobody "wins", the delegates become "unbound" and may vote for whomever they want instead of being "bound" to one candidate. If there is enough dissent against Romney, enough delegates are Ron Paul supporters, and Grinch and Sanitarium are out Dr. Paul may very well become the nominee. IF another (neo)"conservative" at the convention gathers enough "votes" he/she COULD be the nominee.

Guess who "counts" these votes as well! I'm still "nobody but Paul" and we need to stick to it!

Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947

Sausages, how would you estimate....

...the chances of success for this "unbound delegates" strategy?

Jack

The Campaign May Be "Trying to Win"...

...But They Are Not Waging a Campaign "TO WIN."

They are waging a campaign to amass enough delegates to somewhat influence the National Convention.

RON PAUL 2012 AND BEYOND - http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

You answered your own question

You don't want a movement or long haul response, which you know is the campaign's strategy. So either you want us to give you a sunshine report pep talk to keep your hope alive or a gloom and doom rant to give you an excuse to give up. You won't get either from me.

But to answer your facile question, yes, we are trying to win.

We are trying very hard

to win this. But the mass media is trying as hard to downplay it all. ARGHHH !.

Denmark, lots more "buts" are in order.

Yes, the mass media is doing some damage, but that's hardly the only obstacle. It's much more complicated than just that.
Jack

Gmason08, An ad is insufficient

I've been analyzing this campaign for some time, and the facts suggest a reality that most are too afraid to admit. There are several deficiencies in the Ron Paul campaign, some of which could be easily fixed, and others of which would require some fundamental paradigm shifts. All that aside, however, the reality that so many fail to acknowledge--the biggest weakness of all in the Ron Paul campaign--is that it is relying on an intellectually-dysfunctional society to vote for it.

Naturally, in a popular election, one MUST rely on votes from the public; there is no other way (except fraud) to win. So in this sense, it doesn't matter how good a candidate Dr. Paul may or may not be; all that matters is whether the intellectually-dysfunctional public can be persuaded to vote for him.

So what would THAT take? On his back-to-the-Constitution stance, you'd have to get Americans actually to READ the Constitution before they'll "get" that. Good luck on this one. They like the idea, but they don't understand it fundamentally enough to stand up and fight for it.

On his "libertarian" stance on issues of morality, you'd have to get Americans to go against what their churches have been telling them all their lives. Good luck on that.

On his foreign policy stance, you'd have to get Americans to go against the war-is-who-we-are mentality that has been programmed into them all their lives, at school, at church, in the National Anthem, in the news, and in history. Good luck on that.

In none of these matters do I mention the need to overcome the unfair media, for that is a secondary issue, however huge a challenge it may be. No, the fundamental here is the need to get an unthinking public to think.

It is at this juncture that I've witnessed a great many Ron Paul supporters make a fatal assumption:

"Oh, no, Jack. LOADS of people are waking up now. You'll see!"

They assume that because they, themselves, are now more "awake" than they were before, we must, therefore, be practically just days away from some great, great portion of America also being "awake". This notion, however, is soundly demolished by the actual evidence.

To keep it short, let's examine only one statistic from the recent primaries. In Florida, 78% of those who voted chose either Romney or Gingrich. In Nevada, about 71% chose either Romney or Gingrich. In South Carolina, it was about 68% who chose either Romney or Gingrich.

So what's the point? The point is that about 70-something percent of these voters are willing to support candidates that are not even remotely friendly to constitutional obedience, to sound money, to responsible peace, and to ending the reign of corruption in Washington.

Thus is the intellectual dysfunction proved.

And my greater point here? No "ad" is going to fix this. Nor will any mere presidential campaign. Indeed, you CANNOT win the presidency by violating the dull paradigms that the public holds so dear.

So what's the solution?

Well, nobody wants to hear it, but the solution is quite obvious: change the paradigms of the public.

But that's an entirely different project from running for president, and I don't see one iota of energy being spent on it. Yes, LOTS of folks are going around declaring, "America is waking up", but this is clearly wishful thinking. Whatever "waking up" that may ACTUALLY be happening is far too small in its scope to have any appreciable affect on any presidential race coming up anytime soon.

Not only is changing the public paradigm DIFFERENT from running for president, but it's also probably three or four orders of magnitude more difficult. (1,000 or 10,000 times harder.)

What ad is going to achieve this?

Now, having said all that, I don't mean to suggest that no new ads should be developed. What I am suggesting is that the campaign's paradigm is far too short-sighted to appreciate the full scope of the problem they are hoping to solve. Some will say that winning the presidency is merely the "first step", but I think I have demonstrated that you cant' win the presidency until you first win the public---which is the much greater task. Thus is the strategy backwards; the cart is before the horse, that is.

If somebody really wanted to win the Presidency right now, they'd hop into this race with the following message (which would certainly not be worded as I have worded it below---but you'll get the point:

"I'm going to do practically everything that Ron Paul wants to do, except that I'm for KEEPING the unconstitutional federal laws against narcotics, and I'm for maintaining our military role as the world's policeman. So don't worry; under my leadership, we can still be the 'Christian Nation' you've grown up in, and we can still be the leader of the whole world, making it safe for democracy---and you'll get to keep LOTS more of your own money."

THAT message could persuade this intellectually-dysfunctional society. Strangely, nobody seems to have the political sense to adopt that message (whether sincerely or insincerely). And Ron Paul, of course, does not believe in such a stance, so it's practically unimaginable (as well as undesirable) that he would adopt this alteration of his position.

Thus, the dilemma: should the focus be to win the presidency, or to affect a paradigm shift for the majority of the populace?

What is now being pursued is the lesser task (winning the presidency), and even so, the numbers so far are not showing much reason to expect a victory.

These are the facts, regardless of how disappointing they may be. I'm sure that a great many optimists out there are holding out hope that while over 70% who voted so far are intellectually dysfunctional, better things await in the states yet to vote. Hope springs eternal, as they say, but I see little rational support for such hope. And there's no need to argue about it, for we will know soon enough.

As I put it elsewhere, it's time to take this nation by the lapels and to dare to talk some sense into it. This is far different from the strategy that says, "I'm just going to let my little light shine so that others will be drawn to me." No, this is MUCH more direct and proactive. And it will never be affective if seen only on television; it must happen face to face, person to person. Why? Almost 100% of the people are much too dull to revise their own philosophies without being personally confronted on the need to do so.

As it is, however, America simply does not want Ron Paul. And there's your problem.

Jack

Thanks, Jack

Excellent, if depressing, analysis of reality.

Unfortunately, even the "Perfect ad" is not going to save the day. Also, closing our eyes to reality and blaming everything on "Vote fraud" isn't the answer. I caucused in Iowa and from what I know about the state, and the GOP leadership, I have no reason to think there was any concentrated effort to steal votes from RP. The pre-caucus polls in Nevada showed RP doing slightly worse than he ended up doing. I have no doubt that vote fraud may occur here and there, but for us to blame every loss on fraud makes us sound like whiners and bad losers. The fact is, most Republicans don't want Ron Paul as their nominee. It's ashame and frustrating but it's true.

It's delusional to think Paul actually beat Romney in Nevada. No pre-caucus poll suggests that would happen. The Mormons voted as a bloc for Romney. Protestants split their vote, with Paul not getting very many. He carried the non-religious vote but that wasn't a big enough sector of voters. He does great with young people, but young people mostly don't vote. It's always a narrow slice of the pie. Look at the entrance/exit polls. The enthusiasm for RP is wonderful but we have to stay grounded in reality. It's no good "visualizing Ron Paul as our president" when that's not what's going on in the real world. If we want to win the nomination--which has always been a VERY UPHILL climb, considering the GOP hasn't nominated a true anti-establishment candidate since 1964--we have to face the facts as they are, not as we wish them.

I write this as someone who's been involved in GOP politics for 35 years and with a PhD in political science--not that that makes me better or wiser than anyone else, but I'm looking at this from a different perspective than someone who first got involved in 2007 or 2011.

JT

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2012/01/the-gop-in-limbo-h...

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2012/01/post-iowa-advice-f...

Bryan, I dont' have time....

...to write much more about it right now, but I DO have some level of hope for what might be done about all this. And the really exciting part is that it would be a ground-up solution, rather than a stop-gap, half-cocked, or counting-on-a-miracle approach.

I believe that if just a few smart, honest, and rational people could get their heads together on this, a viable plan could be devised. It would ALSO take SOME amount of financing since it would have to compete for attention in the limited mental bandwidth of the public.

Still, though, I think I can see a way. I'll try to write back soon.

Jack

In my book

A doctorate in political science and 35 years in party politics DOES make you wiser than most. Certainly an ability to read polls and not blame results on election fraud are marks of maturity and common sense if nothing else. Many here could benefit from a little perspective.

Jack, I agree with your analsyis.

We are indeed working backwards, trying to educate and providing the answer before the question has been asked. I think it's not so much that we don't want to accept this as the truth....but the fact that we do not know what to do about it. Focusing on an election is something that is tangible at least. Changing the hearts and minds of so many? Not so much.

America is intellectually impoverished. But what's more is that Americans are not curious, and we are not skeptical. We can teach people about the Federal Reserve and inflation, and stimulate people intellectually...but until Americans are ready to question, almost any form of government corruption can be explained away as ineptness. Ineptness can always be bargained with. Well maybe the next President will get it right the next time around... if we could just get a new Democrat or a new Republican, or a Third Party in, our problems will be solved... etc.

I've been trying to sit and analyze what exactly got me to come around and change my mind. What was it that opened my mind to even care? I have really only just begun to study economics and truly understand some of these deeper issues. But that isn't really the hard part, is it? The hard part, as I see it, is getting to the point of questioning authority. Getting to that point where everything the government does isn't easily explained away as incompetence/chaos. But once you are curious and ready to start questioning, you can begin to learn more about almost any subject.

It's about shattering the illusion of trust. That's no easy task to say the least. Americans trust our government. We trust our leaders, our military, our schools, etc. We like the 'idea' of the Constitution, but we don't read it or hold politicians accountable to it...because we trust that someone else is reading it for us, and holding them accountable on our behalf. We believe we've already won. We believe we are free-- the freest and most prosperous nation in the world. We are different and unique. Our government and leaders would never turn on our own. Not in America. And certainly not on purpose. It's because we know we're free. So it's not so much about what Americans don't know-- but what we believe we know already.

I am seeing this same problem in the diet and nutrition industry. It's not that we don't know what causes obesity. We have the knowledge to cure obesity (we know what causes it and what solves it), but Americans still cannot overcome what they think they already know about diet and how the metabolism works. So we continue to suffer from obesity, and continue to do the same thing expecting different results. Diets never work. Yet we keep trying, each time thinking next time will be different. We bargain away the reasons for our failures...well, if only I just had more willpower, etc... But we don't ask the basic fundamental question: What if the experts aren't telling me the correct information?

So what tangible projects can we take on to work towards a change of paradigm? I agree, we should be asking that question more. Just waiting until an election is too little, too late. If Paul loses, what are we all going to be doing for the next 4 years?

Wow, hj871!

What a well-expressed post--and what good observations! The book I'm trying to finish writing could just as well be written by you, judging by your observations.

(I couldn't figure out how to email you privately. I thought we could do that here, but maybe not anymore?)

Anyway, here are three quick responses.

1. What got ME to change was a good friend who was willing to stand toe-to-toe with me and tell me she thought I was wrong. Oh, and if it makes any difference to anybody, the point over which I was stumbling was foreign policy on Iran. And that was five years ago! I was plenty SMART enough to figure it out, but it took somebody else working with me one-on-one to get me MOTIVATED to figure it out. I will never forget this kindness.

2. I agree wholeheartedly about nutrition. In fact, I would not be surprised if my studies should ultimately conclude that the American diet is a partial CAUSE of our aggregate intellectual dysfunction.

3. What can be done--tangibly? I'm working on that...on more than one front. Being generally unfunded, I'm without the luxury of slamming this problem until a solution is found, but I did just happen to have a meeting last week with a marketing expert. The question was how to get ANY political message through all the clutter these days, as well as how to get people to "like" the message. The answer was sobering, but really came as no particular surprise. At the end of the day, it's going to cost money. That stinks, but it's true. Whether it costs $100,000 or $100Billion depends upon how successfully the message can be made to go "viral". Remember, it does very little good to get people merely to "come along"; we first need a LOT of people to become leaders, influencing others to change their minds.

I have several projects in mind, all of which overlap to a fair degree. I'm very frustrated that I have the distraction of having to earn a living, because, frankly, these matters are more important than one man earning a living. But that's the nature of the present challenge---that you're just not going to get money from people who don't yet "get" what you're trying to do.

Email me if you'd like to discuss it. jack AT jackpelham.com

Jack

Well..one thing that is wrong

Well..one thing that is wrong about people like YOU is thinking that you are inherently smarter than others and that others are "intellectually dysfunctional" The very fact that you said that is a great sign that you are FAR inferior intellectually than the average tree slug

This notion that everyone who disagrees with you in any area, including politics is either evil or stupid, and that your side is always right is why you will NEVER be taken seriously in the company of adults.

Actually

Actually Jack is the only one in this fight for Ron Paul that had an idea for a better America over all. The implications of his idea could very well have changed politics in this country as we know it for the better. Why did it not work? because it was nonpartisan and we were not going to have it as selfish individuals stuck on party lines. He had Candidates actually signing written contracts to uphold the Constitution. It was gaining momentum like crazy just from his personal hard work and efforts. We as voters let him down by not jumping on board. I would say the ability to do this is well deserving of the title "intelligent".

"They used to come get you and lock you up because you were insane, Now they come get you and lock you up because you are sane"

ATruePatriot,

Thanks for the kind words. Where the Rule of Law Restoration did REALLY well was with candidates. About 5% of the candidates (71 in all) we reached in 2010 signed the pledge. That's exceptional for an email campaign of any kind. Where we were profoundly surprised was that, with about 19,000 pageloads, we only got about 24 VOTERS to sign the pledge.

We were flabbergasted. Clearly, we were working on a false assumption somewhere. We asked for constructive criticism, and never heard a peep about what we were doing wrong. Our final analysis? Generally speaking, Americans are far too dull to recognize the value of a strategy like ROLR. That is, they're just not thinking on that level....so they can't recognize the "math" behind what would happen if they got behind it.

Meanwhile, the fact that such a high percentage of CANDIDATES "got it" is something that we now recognize as a principle of leadership. That is, we should EXPECT that only a small percentage of the society are willing to lead (for whatever motive), and those are the types who are more likely to have done the deeper thinking required to "get" the ROLR strategy.

So where are we now? We suspended our work (which we could barely afford) until such time as we could figure out how to influence the public to change its paradigms. As it is, they are hesitant to sign the Voter's Pledge because they'd be giving up the chance to vote for "the lesser of two evils". That is, rather than fix the system, they're quite content always to choose a bad candidate, so long as he's not as bad as the next guy.

That's pretty dull, of course. So that's our problem.

I don't know of anybody else who is focusing on this problem, yet it seems to be the fundamental. My first step is the publishing of my new book on the American character and its shortcomings with regard to our role as overseers of our own government. I hope to have that published (for free) as an online book...maybe by the end of February.3

Short conclusion: If folks can't be converted from dullness to "getting it" to "driving it", there's no hope. Most Americans are only willing to "come along" with something they "like" (and look how shallow "liking" something has become since Facebook!), but there simply aren't enough rational LEADERS at work to get the majority of voters to "like" ROLR---or the Constitution----or Ron Paul, for that matter.

Jack

Lakawak, you have broken your own rule.

If you can read my post and conclude that I believe that:

"...everyone who disagrees with [me] in any area, including politics is either evil or stupid, and that [my] side is always right..."

...then you're obviously reading your own material into what I wrote. I challenge you to find such a passage in my post.

Secondly, you are playing the "judge not" card (which is increasingly popular in the churches today*), by which you charge with me wrongdoing for judging the behavior of others. You certainly believe me to be arrogant for making judgments as to the thinking and behavior of others. You think that this is inappropriate, and probably even morally reprehensible.

* [Matthew 7 has far more than just its first two words.]

The problem is that you have made judgments against ME based on what (you think) I think. Thus have you broken your own unstated rule....and you seem either to have not noticed, or not to care. (Just in case you missed it, those who point a finger saying, "You are judging!" are themselves engaging in the act of judging. Thus do they break their own rule.)

Further, I find it interesting that you are so sure of your position as to declare for the world that I will "never be taken seriously in the company of adults." Are you going to tell me that you have been appointed as a spokesperson for all adults? Or are you further breaking your rules against arrogance and appointing yourself as such?

As to me "thinking that [I am] inherently smarter than others", I'd like you to show me where I drew such a conclusion in my post. True, I did post actual EVIDENCE in support of my conclusion that most are intellectually dysfunctional, but evidence is different from bald opinion, isn't it? And if you believe that my post was written to toot my own horn, you are not getting that from what I wrote, but from what you are bringing to the discussion.

So I'd like to see you deal with the actual FACTS that I pointed out. Do you dispute that over 70% of those who voted did indeed vote for candidates who don't believe in obeying the Constitution, in sound money, in responsible peace, and in cleaning the corruption out of Washington?

We've heard you in a knee-jerk attack; now let's hear you make a rational argument on the actual facts of the matter.

Jack

LAKAWAK

is a troll all his replies have negative ratings

"Give me liberty or give me death" Patric Henry

And he's a very obvious troll,

at that.

Dilemma :

70% intellectual dysfunction proved, = problem.

thanks for the analysis, real condition , situation.

very humbling, we see ahead a daunting task, therefore feel the need for aid, and to call out & pray, for success & miracles.

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Najam, I'm curious....

What exactly do you think we should pray for?

Would it be one of these options, or something else?:

1. Pray that God will MAKE people vote for Ron Paul?
2. Pray that God will somehow MAKE Ron Paul be president, despite how people vote?
3. Pray that God will MAKE the majority of Americans think differently from how they want to think?
4. Pray that God will MAKE more people volunteer to spread the message?
5. Pray that whoever gets elected, God will MAKE them think more like Ron Paul after the election?

None of these options really work for me, because they would have God MAKING people behave in some way other than they would naturally behave. So I can't figure out why God would do this. It's already a "free" country, where we are free to be as smart and intelligent and as proactive as we wish, so we're already free to vote for Ron Paul if we WANTED. And those of us who see straight are as free as we could be to work together to build real and lasting public support for sound political paradigms.

I don't see where God has ever made unwilling people do good things. Am I missing something?

Jack

PS. The "70%" is a VERY conservative estimation. I didn't bother to account for those who voted for Santorum, Bachmann, Huntsman, Perry, and Cain. Nor did I include those who are Republicans, but who declined to participate.

UnWilling People.

Jack, thank you for your attention and response, now we see more clearly, and the options. Your reminder is very fitting / apt, = "where God has ever made unwilling people do good things".
So, instead of walking into a messy situation (with the intent to clean it) it would be wise to withdraw, and gather fair folks, e.g. into a separate state. But this might incite /or invite the wrath of the union. Dilemma, again.

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Najam---dilemmas all around.

Najam,
It's tempting to look for an "easy way out", but I don't think there is one.

First of all, I'm guessing that the number of people who are truly rational and responsible across the board, and not just on one or two issues, is very, very small. It's probably on the order of 1 in 10,000. At that rate, that would mean that there are only 3,090 such people in the United States.

On the one hand, that's enough people to slip away quietly into some sparsely-populated county out west and to set up their own oasis under the existing state/national governments, but that's not the type of reform we have been discussing, and those folks would still be miserable living under the US umbrella.

It's very difficult to imagine such a small number of people finding an uninhabited island someplace where they could form their own state. And it would be against their morals to conquer the land from someone else. So I see very little option here.

And that brings us back to reforming the culture in which we live. If that seems impossible, we must remember that the closest we have seen to this happened in the years before and after the American Revolution. So we must admit that it is possible.

The real trick would be to get that 3,090 core team not to fall victim to the attrition of compromise. In particular, they would be very tempted to try to find an easy way out---for example, to run candidates for the presidency long before they had a sufficient base of support to succeed. This would distract their energies and severely compromise the strength of their original plan to change the society's paradigm. Just as we are seeing at present, their members would abandon (to some appreciable extent) the goal of trying to convert the thinking of their fellow citizens from garbage to gold, and would instead merely try to change their thinking from Romney to Paul. But this sort of battle is much too superficial to win over the hearts and minds of the people to the extent necessary for substantial reform.

So I don't see any way out here, except to win the entire "war" for the re-rationalization of America.

On a separate note, you may have noticed that the rough number I listed above (3,090) is far short of the number of Ron Paul supporters. This is no oversight. Again, I'm not talking about converting people only to the point where they are willing to "come along", but to the point where their thinking is sound through and through, and where they are effective influencers of others, capable of helping those others to re-work their thinking, too. I think it's fairly obvious that most Ron Paul supporters are not of the second type, but are merely willing to come along.

Jack

Thoughtful.

Jack, thank you for your detailed post. I recalled visiting your RoL page last year when I saw it today. You are a learned man, and onto something very important. I intend & hope to write more later. With best wishes.

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delegates

this has ALWAYS been a delegate strategy...

a CNN analyist just mentioned that Paul could win with [stealth] delegates.

And that's been the plan... Campaign for Liberty was created last election to place delegates into the process across the country.

Iowa delegates can change their mind right up to the last minute. many states are this way.

they may win delegates... but they just might be Paul people.

estanislao

MSM back door

last election PROVED we couldn't count on the media.

And we actually came close last time...closer than most realize.

We had to do this strategy because of the MSM.

AND this strategy gives us TIME to educate the masses... and that's all we need is time.

estanislao

10 Reasons =

10 reasons why even democrats, liberals and progressives are choosing Ron Paul over Obama
http://www.naturalnews.com/034630_Ron_Paul_democrats_liberal...

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Hi Gmason, good morning ! The

Hi Gmason, good morning !
The disconnect is in HOW we are trying to reach the 50-79 age bracket IMHO.
We've neglected to "think" like they think, let me explain why I feel this way. I'm 52 so I come from that demographics perspective, to a point. Let's examine HOW the circumstances of their youth, their "formative years" might influence their decision making and HOw armed with this knowledge we can answer their FEARs.
The years after the second world war, during the Korean and Vietnam conflicts were rife with stigmatisms passed upon the youth. " Drop and cover" during school hours, the "Cuban missle Crisis" and daily bombardment with the truth of the " evils of communism/ socialism" permeated everyday life during those years. Every "police action" , war was fought with the " anti- communistic" theme in mind. Radio, the television bombarded the youth with the persistent message of fear of communisism and the atom bomb.
No small wonder that demographic still holds onto those fears. We see them expressed within the " anybody but Obama" political movement. We SEE them express the abject FEAR of being defenseless to foreign invasion in there misunderstanding of Ron Pauls foreign and defense policy's.
We being from the same demograph, but being FULLY supportive of Ron Paul have obviously garnered enough wisdom to have correctly identified that the " fear of foreign" invasion is actually being done through co-opting of BOTH political parties. A co-opting that is at least a hundred years in the making, and by the very forces that the 50-79 age demographic was taught to fear. They were taught to FEAR it, but not to recognize it, which is why they CAN'T SEE that Romney/ Gingrich/ Santorum are in fact part and parcel to those very forces they were taught to FEAR. It is that DISCONNECT we must address, to bridge the "fear" gap with education upon HOW they enemy slipped in the sack door.
Don't mistake my intent, I'm fully aware that I have correctly identified they enemy within the gates, it is " Socialism" no matter what " form" or disguise it wears. Socialism is juxtaposed to a constitutional republic, the two CAN NOT intermingle without one or the other preempting and eventually fully removing one or the other. Since our Nation, the Republic of these United States of America was founded as a republic, it is incumbent, nay rather it is the sacred and honorable duty of every American to return America to her foundation. Make no mistake about it, socialism is the enemy of a republic, we must not believe otherwise if we would survive as a Republic. If you feel ( anyone in general ) I'm incorrect, I must question your sanity or worse your motives being in America in the first place. I make no appologies, America is a constitutional Republic, if you want to continue to try to further erode this, rather than support a reaffirmation to constitutional rule of law, then you and I are enemies, period.
Ron Paul stand for the full return to the foundation, the rule of law under the constitution. This IS what the 50-79 demographic truely desires, we just need to SHOW them where Romney/ Gingrich/ Santorum/ Obama represent by actions they enemy within the gates., socialists all in varrious forms are socialists nevertheless.
* Gmasson08, none of the " you" statements refer to you personally BTW, I feel I know where you stand on this issue of reaffirmation of the constitution.
*IF I've inadvertently harmed anyone I apologize afore hand, but I stand upon the truths I've
spoken. I must also say, if the truths I wrote caused anyone discomfort, why are you supporting Ron Paul ?

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Thanks for the heartfelt, thoughtful and

insightful comment.

I think by far the lions share of the older demo is on our side but just do not know it because they receive far more lies than truth about RP.

The good news is that once one receives enough of the facts about him then the lies no longer work and most will speak in "older talk" to other olders spreading the truth and refuting the lies. What's not to like.

It does take patient, wise effort for each conversion but it is well worth the effort.

Steadfast as always.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Thank you, but I must bump my Lord and savior

Thank you, but I must bump my Lord and savior for my Steadfast nature, and every good thing that proceeds forth from me. Without GOD I'm am not a good man, nor am I worthy of praise even with GOD, all glory goes vertical.

* At this point even my best friends sigh, and roll there eyes. But resign themselves to the fact that I prayerfully will always refuse kudos by bumping them where they belong, to GOD.

And yes, we "old heads" must be the ones to reach our demographic, we speak the same language.

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Steadfast

I am in your age group and the wall I hit most often is ISREAL. No matter how I approach it they put Israel before anything when it comes to foreign policy. Even their children and grand children it seems. If I hear God blesses those who bless Israel one more time.... I try to point out that we won't be of any help to Israel if we can't even take care of our own they go deaf. Very frustrating. It is like a disease.