Trygve Olson should be fired as Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Advisor
Submitted by ChristsWorldOrder on Fri, 02/03/2012 - 11:22Our truly beloved leader, Dr. Ron Paul encourages his congressional staff to read www.antiwar.com each morning. The main antiwar.com writer, Justin Raimondo wrote this, this morning: "Can Ron Paul be Tamed? No, but his campaign can" Read it here: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/02/02/can-ron-paul-b...
In the article it is disclosed that Trygve Olson, the "regime change" specialist is an advisor to Ron Paul 2012 PCC. It is pointed out that Olson and Rand Paul have a relationship of mutual learning.
As you should know, as good as Rand is, especially in articulation and speech-making (perhaps better than Ron here), he is no Ron Paul when it comes to consistently Constitutional and liberty-oriented foreign policy as demonstrated here with his vote for the santions on Iran-imposing legislation (an act of war according to Ron), where Rand voted for the Kirk-Menendez amendment on December 1, 2011. Read http://comehomeamerica.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/rand-paul-di... for more perspective on Rand's pro-sanctions vote with 99 other clueless senators on this issue.
Without trying to pit Ron against Rand in anyway, they clearly have black and white different views regarding sanctions on Iran.
Please read the article, vote up this post if you think it's important (it is!), and respond with a post whether you think the "regime change" specialist, Trygve Olson, should be dismissed as an advisor to Ron Paul 2012 PCC.
Chime in on Rand's pro-sanctions views and his mutual "learning" relationship with Trygve Olson as well.
Vote this post up for strategic discussion and potential action contacting the campaign to relieve Olson of his advising role. We KNOW Ron is against sanctions, b/c they are acts of war.
Much feedback please. Bump this!
We're a day away from disaster if Paul doesn't place high in NV
And all this energy and time is being wasted speculating about some guy none of us knows, and about a decision or series of decisions that none of us have any control over. This is worse than a fantasy game. Why aren't we entirely focused on actual efforts?
So I'll dabble in my own conspiracy theories. Sometimes I wonder if this kind of discussion isn't driven by neocons and hacks paid by other campaigns to stir up silly controversies and distract the grassroots from action. They have the idea that RP supporters are all a bunch of kooks, so what better strategy than to make it the focus of RP sites in order to distract solid supporters and scare new supporters away.
Sigh, I suppose I see the appeal of conspiracies. They explain so much so nice and simply.
Ron Paul cannot be controlled
Before Ron Paul has handlers turtles will strut about on 2 legs.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
How many current Ron Paul supporters voted for either Obama or McCain?
Does that mean they can't be true Ron Paul supporters now?
How many are old enough to have voted for one of the other savagely bad candidates in previous elections?
Can those people not be good Ron Paul supporters now?
Ron Paul makes the ulitimate decisions on his campaign and I see no reason for doubting the overall effectiveness of his campaign.
The simple truth is he's wiping the floor with the stale elite of the GOP.
He's quite effective with the team he has put together.
Here's to all of 'em!
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Let's go back and look at Ron Paul's first term in office...
I would guess that he made a vote or 2 that wouldn't be pro-liberty.
I'll give Rand the benefit of the doubt and let him play a few political games so he can ensure that he's around for awhile. I bet Ron did the same thing.
Regarding Iran, it's the perfect vote to punt... it's going to pass, he can stay in the good graces of the GOP, and he generally rails against our empire anyway.
Cool it on the anti-Rand stuff. If he's in Congress until he's 75 years old he'll be every bit as good.
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Ron's FIRST term SAME as TWELFTH
This is NOT a guess. This comes from memory - but I'll be checking the record. I NEVER recall Ron voting against liberty. From the very beginning he had an initial question: IS IT CONSTITUTIONAL? If not, then "NO!". He was quite learned before he made his first trip to DC. He went to vote for liberty and always has. Ron is a student.
But we are blessed to have Rand "in the wings"!
There are some tough votes that these guys face from time-to-time. Many of my favorites voted in favor of the free trade agreement with South Korea. Free trade sounds good, but like NFATA, all free trade agreements are several pounds of paper that destroy true free trade.
Ron is unique. But that is because he is a student. I suggest those who want proof of his depth of understanding order a CD of Ron's thoughts about Mises from the Mises Institute. You will find that you agree with Ron as he challenges Ludwig!
http://mises.org/store/Mises-and-Austrian-Economics-A-Person...
Not a Dimes Worth of Difference - Except Ron Paul
Yes...
I don't have the data in front of me, but my impression is the same. Remember that he ran more to make a statement than to win, he wasn't expecting to win. Once he did win, he earned the sobriquet "Dr. No" pretty quickly I believe.
I agree with the OP...
...Olson should be ousted. It's not that I worry about him influencing Ron, that's not possible. However, if given an opportunity to betray the campaign, I have no confidence in Olson's loyalty. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
It's not my call, it's Ron's, but if it were, I'm pretty sure Olson would be on a plane home tomorrow.
Oh vey, my R3VOL,
does ANYONE here honestly believe the Good Doc has "handlers?"
Read between the lines, please:
http://www.dailypaul.com/210786/justin-raimondo-dear-msm-wal...
"Keep your Friends Close, your Enemies, Closer."
let that simmer a bit.
While it is common to dismiss the Doc as a politician because he has always been a Statesman (who's against the State.o) but you don't get to be involved in political action for over 40yrs, beat an Establishment shill candidate in your district hand-picked by the Bush Crime Family, have BOTH Bushes come down campaign for your opponent, against you all the while Nut Grinch is engineering your downfall, and come out kickin' ass and taking names, while voting against ALL Fed.Gvt subsidies in which your Gulf Coast constituency would immediately benefit from in the short run, with consistently progressively larger margin of victory in every subsequent election, without a keen, natural political instincts, folks.
If you want Trygve fired, for just his background, we should also fire Doug Wead, as he was a close family adviser to the Bush Crime Family, and Atty. Bruce Fein, as he has ACTIVELY defended known Mossad assets, and their and CIA's On-The-Payroll mercenary terrorists. Not to mention, talk about being on the wrong side of history, as the paid mercenary lawyer for the OPPOSING side in Sibel Edmonds case.
The Doc knows whom he's swimming with. With Wead, I genuinely get the sense that he has "repented" as he is a born-again Christian in the genuine sense, NOT like Grinch who just wants a larger 'moralistic' excuse for his past infidelities and plain a-holeness. Fein is a pure mercenary, but is brilliant and with proper contacts. In that sense, he's actually more predictable than most. As in, he won't FU over as long as he is 'contracted to not to,' LOL. Hey, it's just the nature of the beast; he is a lawyer, after all.
Our celebrated campaign TV ad director worked on GWB's 2000 campaign whose wife STILL works directly for the Romney campaign, now. Guess we should fire him, too.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaigns/the-man-beh...
Come on folks, there are very few people in America who are in the political business. And yes, it IS a business. Stick around it long enough, you'll probably work with both ends of the political spectrum, be it purely monetary incentive like Fein, or when one genuinely has a change of heart and philosophy, like Wead.
For anyone who are not within our immediate circle of friends and family, the only way we can judge someone is based on their actions and record. as far as ANYONE who are not in Dr. Paul's personal circle can gauge from a far, I can honestly say, using people reading skills and whatever life discernment lessons I have learned along the way, I can definitively state that I TRUST Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul, for anyone I can allot that to anyone not in my own circle, that I can judge from a far from.
It's the same reason why I believe him at his word when he says that he had nothing to do with objectionable parts of the newsletters, knowing what I know about his works, record, writing style, and history of individuals within his political sphere, BECAUSE I've learned to TRUST him.
Dr. Paul has EARNED my Trust.
Thus, I only trust him and HIS judgment. It matters not to me whether Benton, Fein, Wead, Tate, Downs, Howard, or Trygve are "trust-worthy" or not. Because I simply do not have enough publicly available info on them, to make a truly distinct judgment in their regard.
However, what I do trust is the fact that the Doc has trusted himself enough to hire them. So frankly, it matters not whether they actually are 'trust-worthy,' or not.
It only matters that the Doc trust his judgment enough to hire them.
Dr. Paul fired Eric Dondero for reason. So, if at any point he's being crossed, I'd trust that the Doc would immediately do the same, as he did with Dondero.
So please, let us put things into proper context, shall we?
Now if Trygve were directly responsible for some scandal, sure. But not just for being who he was, or is, that one may find objectionable. In a perfect world, if you donated any money to the campaign, of course, you should feel entitled to okaying every hire, as that's your money going to pay for that staffer, but as with these things, we do so in trusting those who's earned our trust, to make the best decision possible, on our behalf.
So I'd ask you to consider what specific action that you find objectionable that Trygve or anyone else on the official campaign staff, may have committed that you deem necessary to fire them. If you can answer that honestly, I'd recommend that you follow through on your personal convictions and follow suit, gather enough R3VOL to get him removed.
If you can't be moved to act on it, then you know you have your answer: there's nothing that Trygve did that would warrant that, no?
Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul
YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANY SYSTEM IF YOU DO NOT GET IN ITS CORE
It is the natural course to be done...WE are not STRONG ...only strong systems can undermine others at the same level of struggle..if you are DAVID and they are GOLIAS and you dont have enough distance to shoot your slingshot what do you do?you have to come close to have a perfect shot...so THIS IS THE PROBLEM..you have to get INSIDE THE BEAST to BEAT THE BEAST!!!...dont be NAIVE..this is a POLITICAL BATTLE..and only by political means you can win..GET ELECTED AS OFFICILA REPRESENTATIVE...it is the ONLY WAY...and do not .I repeat..DO NOT COMPROMISE DR PAUL BY ANY FALSE FLAG!!!dont be naive...and get serious about changing the country...BY THE SAME MEANS THAT THEY ARE USING TO CONTROL IT....by POLITICS!!!!!!!
Trygve Olson worked for Tommy
Trygve Olson worked for Tommy Thompson & John McCain before working for Rand Paul. Can't wait to here Trygve Olson response to this article.
From reading that info about Olson's career activity,
it appears quite obvious that he is a career CIA agent, specializing in foreign policy interventions, and generally being an agent of world destabilization for warmongering purposes.
I'm not sure why he has any involvement in this campaign, since he appears to be a warmonger extraordinaire, and is likely to be an opponent of every aspect of the campaign, and would be extremely likely to be a spy and agent of sabotage.
There is no shortage of advisor personnel, so it would make sense to get rid of any advisors which have a strong likelihood to be moles.
And this guy is likely to be a mole.
Here is what really bends my
Here is what really bends my noodle: He is a regime change expert... is regime change (in D.C) not exactly what we are trying to do? Well, isn't it? Peacefully of course.
It is.
But his experience is to change it for the worse.
Now that doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to change it for the better, so he might know just how to do that too.
The question is, "Would he, or would he instead be a covert mole for the people he spent his life working with?"
You tell me?
Why risk it? Get an adviser who isn't so suspect.
It's disturbing to be
It's disturbing to be sure.... But makes makes me wonder what else is going on that we don't know about.
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Chime in on Jesse Benson's compromise (on this specific issue)
... on this issue re. Rand being a potential GOP VP (for someone other than Ron) and other such nonsense. This is the slippery slope of compromise, is it not?
Jesse is doing an excellent job in many, many ways (how he handled Dana Bash, etc), but not on this specific issue. Feedback please.
Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution
At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!
I have become concerned that
I have become concerned that the Paul campaign has become prep for Rand Paul 2016, or even worse, Rand Paul 2020, after four years of Romney! As if! This is not acceptable to me. I hope the campaign understands that we really want Ron, not Rand to win, this year! Rand is ok, but he can wait. We need Ron to win this year, or to lose trying. I will not support any kind of Romney ticket.
The campaign knows
that if Ron loses, there won't be a 2016 election. I don't think that's their plan.
If Ron can't win at the
If Ron can't win at the convention, he needs to make key demands (opposition to Iran War, repeal of the Patriot Act, No more war on drugs), and then stage a well managed and dramatic walkout and fiery speech in prime-time if they turned down. If he can't run himself at the time, he should endorse Johnson, assuming, of course, that Johnson agrees to these demands.
What about Jesse's ongoing failure...
.. to mention the shoot-out between Paul and Romney in Virginia when interviewed by the media... unforgivable.
Plano TX
Let's ask the campaign to put resources into Virginia!...
Since it's mano a mano in VA, Paul vs. Romney (no one else) and this is the scenario we want long-term! Let's earnestly ask the campaign to put resources (men, money, and material) into Virginia. There is presently zero/negligible money going into the Virginia Campaign and there is no plan to put any money into Virginia. Sorry to say, those are the facts. They need to change, don't they? Is Virginia significant or not, in terms of the one on one uniqueness as well as perception in the media? We cannot afford to be embarrassed by Mr. Goldman Sachs in Virginia where we are already blessed to be in 2nd place before the primary, with a chance to win or do extremely well in a big primary state, 12th largest! Do you agree? Will you contact the campaign asking them to send SOME (if not a lot) of resources for the Paul campaign in Virginia? If you think this is not strategic/important, explain why!
Ron Paul 2012
The Champion of the Constitution
At the cross Jesus Christ defeated sin, death, hell, and the new world order.
C’mon boys, let’s take the plunder!
How do you know they aren't planning
to go after VA? Have you heard from the campaign that they aren't spending anything, there? Maybe they're hoping a bump in the caucuses will bring an influx of money.