COMBATING Vote Fraud
Submitted by A-B--B-A on Sat, 02/04/2012 - 06:10Here are a couple ideas the RP campaign and RP supporters can do to combat polls and especially voting results that just don't quite correspond to reality.
RP campaign members:
1) Record every RP speech and event (even local diner campaign stops) and slowly pan across the room to show everyone, including media. No need for closeup recording. Just pan the room. Have two or more recorders going to validate each other.
So, in each state record every speech and event. That's lots of work, yes, but the results are worth the effort. (RP in the White House!) These videos will be proof of RP's support and will help keep polls AND VOTE tabulations honest. Albeit the weakest evidence out of the bunch, the number of these videos, especially when compared to these videos of opponents, is evidence.
2) If it's legal, send two or three staffers to record opponents' speeches and events. Same tactic: slowly pan entire crowd, showing supporters and media. Compare these turnouts to polls and voting.
NOTE: How many people attend a candidate's speeches and events and the attendees' enthusiasm matter. Staff recordings are meant for legal purposes, but they probably could be for viewing, just as any other video is for viewing. [Anyone see a problem if RP campaign posts videos of RP speeches and events that (slowly) pan the venue?]
RP supporters:
1) Same as #1 above.
2) Same as #2 above. There is no legality issue.
3) Wear hidden microphones (even if only in pockets) especially if you're involved in vote counting or different procedure concerning vote accuracy. There's a breadth of possibilities here. From manufacturing the vote machines to manning a booth to counting caucas votes and delegate distribution. There are many roles. Know yours and do it well.
NOTE: Supporter videos go on the Internet ASAP after the event. (ASAP: as soon as possible.)
**Cases on fraud against RP can be drawn from these video if need be. Probably other evidence would roll in.**
Four states down. Forty six states to go. Let's make the most out of each remaining state.
RP, 2012
Hidden mics is goofy--just use your cell if your broke
Or a camcorder.
If you have some money you would use those cameras in the glasses frames--the pen one sucks.
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A phone would have to be
A phone would have to be held. What makes you think there will be time to hold a phone, focus it and look at your subject while recording? What if recording phones are banned, that someone asks you to put away your phone or, worse, just takes it away from you?
Maybe the hidden recorder isn't looking so bad after all, huh? If nothing else, have a plan b.
And if you do have a recorder, here's advice: Strike up a nice conversation and angle it to get the person's name and title without giving your name or giving only your first name. Present yourself casually, not as though you're aiming to get their information. If the personal info doesn't come easily, don't press on. Maybe you can talk with that person later and say, Thanks for your help, I didn't get your name. Or just ask for the person's name and then say thanks for your help, "Name," have a good day.
Personal info is applicable when you have recorded evidence of fraud. So, merely getting someone's info is insufficient. So, make sure your recorder has a lot of space for recording.
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Nobody is going to watch a youtube with some random garbled
Microphone recordings that claim vote fraud.
You need video with sound. Plus the point of videoing in most cases is for them to see you videoing them.
They won't allow them? So what--it's illegal to record the police and their criminal activities, but you're a fool if you don't do it anyways.
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For anyone who has a Primary in their state...
You can become a "poll watcher". Must be sent by the party or candidate with proper paperwork. There are some strict rules for poll watchers, but they can be a great means to keep election judges and clerks on their toes. I am an election judge and have never had a poll watcher and I would HATE it. I also highly recommend becoming a clerk or election judge so that you can personally see what is going on in your precinct, at least during the voting hours. Just some suggestions.
Candidate Assigns Vote Tabulation Watcher
...or candidate with proper paperwork. Candidate sends person to be vote tabulation watcher.
Wow. Now that information, honeybee, is important. Crucially. Let's get this info out to the the RP campaign, RPers and our DPers and at the start to DPer LegalizeLiberty! LLiberty is a communication hound. He's on the RP scene like white's on rice. He tracks and disseminates RP info seemingly around the clock.
I'm thinking about a method that might work. I'll write it here in a day or two. I have to think this method through.
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RP's crowds are actually Not a good indicator of his support
His crowd sizes are likely misleading.
Unlike other candidates supporters, RP people will drive distances and even over state lines to attend his events.
When you see an RP crowd, they are not all from just that area, they are also from all across the state and often from other states. Many of the same people show up at events close together.
His crowds are likely not quite as big as it seems. If you remove all the people from the audiences that cannot vote for him in that location, the crowds would probably be reduced by a third or better.
I commend the attempt and believe it's paramount
to protect the vote but your idea doesn't help us with knowing who is exactly voting.. Unless I missed where you were actually taking vote registries down.
We need a way for us to track the actual votes per person.
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For Generality, not Specifics
Hey, rp4pres,
Yeah, my post here is meant for generality, not for details such as who votes for whom.
But I worry about campaigns or any entity other than government tracking number of voters. Campaign, because that would involve a relationship with the government, which would meld campaigns with government, create bureaucracy and campaign paperwork and turn campaigns into arms of the government in this respect, in registration. I'd think this arm aspect would work against campaigns ordinary people support financially and in strategy including surprise delegate voting. I just see more cons than pros if campaigns get involved in vote registration.
I think the same regarding nongovernment entities' involvement in voter tracking. Can you imagine the ramifications, the can of worms, that would come from people signing in at FBook or a different website? Privacy could be out the window, never mind the problems public viewing on voting would cause. What a mess.
What my post here is meant to do is to work for the campaign broadly. As for the details such as keeping track of who votes for whom, I have no answer. What do you propose?
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Very good ideas. Maybe we
Very good ideas.
Maybe we can take comparison videos of the other candidates speaking events also to show their lack of support.
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Thanks, RichyG. If you're
Thanks, RicheyG. If you're inclined, would you mind asking other DPers in chat, if you go into DP chat, to visit this page? I figure the more people who know about this operation, the better chances of people doing it in each state.
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These are great ideas
But they should be added to the exit poll strategy. How can we set up a daily paul chat room, just on voter fraud. This is essential for an absolute victory. I will happily post the chapters of my book on vote fraud. Can anyone help get this done? What do we have to do to coordinate this? If we can prove the vote count, the Dr. will win.
Let me make this perfectly clear. The Bush, Clinton, and Obama Whitehouses were purely the result of vote and election fraud.
Let's all get together and get this done.
Exit Poll Strategy
Hey, Dr. K Research,
You've got a chin scratching idea there: exit poll strategy. In a reply I made above, I said I'm against the campaign getting involved in voter registration because I fear this process would work against campaigns regular people support, where Big Money isn't involved. Resources for this activity might be pricey.
As well and as I said above, I'm concerned campaigns would turn into arms of the government and in fact not only bear responsibility in vote counting but more responsibility than the vote stations eventually, which would be an excuse for some congress person calling for -- deep breath here -- government oversight, therefore gov't involvement in campaigns more than the gov't is involved in campaigns.
I don't have an easy answer on this subject. But I do think you're on to something. Please comment more here. I'd love to read what you have to say.
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ABBA, on the grass rooting of this
Yes, you are right. Not the campaign: us. God help em, the campaign is brilliantly doing their job.
We just do it. This vote twice idea from the commenter below also is superb. Imagine combining this with exit polls. Now, in Nevada with ballot stuffing and paid goons, it's difficult after the fact.
We do it, before: NOW. Let all the Paul people in each of the ST states give us their vote in advance. I have a website,
www.healthfreedom2012.com. I can create the function to register all voters there. Someone on this forum offered a domain name like "votecount.org" or something similar for free if we can use it. Let's find that person and i'll register it and link it to the site. If they bring others to the polls, they can add to the count later. We can always confirm this with affadavits after the fact.
We just have to get it down in the next few states. But it must be combined with an exit poll in each precinct/poll station.
Results of those exit polls could be posted here or perhaps on my site. We must get moving quickly. If anyone can find a form that will work for exit polling, send it to me:
drkresearch@hotmail.com
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Just thought I'd see how your
Just thought I'd see if your plans are coming along. Are they and, if so, how are they? Did you see my four ideas below, one of which I think is workable? What do you think about them?
Did I see you comment you're compiling information on vote fraud to write a book? That's great. I wish you well. That project must be mammoth. If you're looking for an editor, let me know.
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Ideas to Combat Vote Fraud
I'll be brief about my ideas because it's late and I'm sleepy.
After thinking about them the past few days, I concluded all but one would violate the anonymity of voting.
Ideas:
1) Live Tallying: Large screen, a projector or computer and two cameras recording ballot tallying when the voter submits his ballot.
2) Post Ballot Turn-in: If not #1 because it breeches anonymity, then after the precinct is closed, anyone who wants to stay behind can do so to watch ballot tabulation, and it too would involve the aforementioned devices. BEST opportunity, I think.
3) After further reflection on RevPac's involvement, I see no way its involvement would work without inviting government overseeing or regulating RevPac. I am, however, up for learning more about this prospect if it excludes government involvement. (But how can it?) This third party invovlement goes for all such involvement, all third parties, whether a website is set up or otherwise. Regarding a website, it could be hacked. Therefore, to prevent that possibility gov't would be involved, likely.
4) The effort would be gargantuan and probably impossible, but it might work vaguely, broadly. It's an outside tactic that could be used as circumstantial evidence: The RP voter takes a photo of his ballot after marking his vote for RP. He sends it and name (on the ballot?) to a Ron Paul data collection "center," which I think would have to be tied into the campaign or else risk being done for nothing. But, again, government oversight or regulation on the RP campaign would be increased. So, probably not.
Feedback?
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First, what a great looking
First, what a great looking and organized website healthfreedom2012 is! Good job, doc!
I'm thinking about a couple methods that would curb vote fraud severly or eliminate vote fraud. I'll post them in this thread tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Probably the latter because I'm going to be busy tomorrow. Besides, I feel I need to think about them more than I have before I discuss 'em.
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Sounds good. Every bit helps
Especially if it's video documented.
I also like the idea of asking RP Voters to vote twice. Once at the poll and once on FB (or other high volumn website) or with RP poll volunteers.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
I will vote for Ron Paul as either the nominee or as a write in.
Thanks for the comment,
Thanks for the comment, BillRow. If it's OK with you, would you mind informing folks on the DP, whether they're in chat or however else to get hold of them, about this post? As I said to RickeyG above, I think the more people who know about this plan, our chances of doing it increase correspondingly to the point of it happening at each event. I think there's a good chance this can happen in each state. At each event in each state? Well, yeah, quite possibly. If there's anything we RPers don't do, it's fart around. We get down to business -- because we see the writing on the wall.
Interesting vote idea, voting twice. Maybe people can vote on the RP's campaign website?
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Can the Moderator be urged to have a separate bar just for vote
Fraud. We desperately need this, and this is the platform. I would gladly post all the chapters of my book. The book is ready.
Gentlemen, we need to work together on this and we have plenty of time.
Will find out about exit polling from an expert tomorrow and be in touch. Keep this thread ongoing.
The poster has good ideas of capturing the caucus audience, esp. for future reference. But we need to confirm on camera the actual votes: wherever possible.
Thanks, Dr.KR, and will keep
Thanks, Dr.KR, and will keep the post up. So that you know, I don't delete my posts. I figure you never know where inspiration or a nugget of information comes from. The past can jog the memory, provide insight or offer a different perspective.
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I'm not sure what your asking me to do
I'm not aware of a DP chat other than these forums.
Regarding the double vote idea; If we could reach out to all RP supporters who have already voted, we could compare these numbers to the states certified results. This would give us preliminary numbers to help plan a fraud lawsuit if appropriate.
Our biggest challenge would be following up with actual voters in the last 5 states. In future states we could have RP volunteers at the polling station handing out flyers and informing people about out effort to address voter fraud (and MSM misinformation).
It's high time we helped empower people to make their voices heard. We could reach out through FB & social media, also through RP's official national database. We could also offer a free smart phone app & text messaging strategy.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
I will vote for Ron Paul as either the nominee or as a write in.
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I don't see a Chat Button or any way to activete in
my Account page. Is it restricted to paid users?
I have been refreshing each forum page in order to communicate or find replies to my input.
Also please feel free to forward or repost any of my thoughts or ideas you think might have merit.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
I will vote for Ron Paul as either the nominee or as a write in.
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A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.
I will vote for Ron Paul as either the nominee or as a write in.