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Biggest Question: How Did Nevada manage to lose over 12,000 caucus goers over 2008 numbers?

I find it incredible that the Nevada GOP could lose over 12,000 voters in 4 years.

How is this possible?

If this is the case, Obama is going to crush the GOP in Nevada.

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A Picture is Worth

A Thousand Words:

And in IOWA?

And UNLESS YOU can prove that RP Supporters DID NOT VOTE?
SHADDDUP!....I'll give THEM the benefit of the doubt.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

My precinct

#1000 in Washoe had at least twice the turnout from 08.

Anyway to get percentages from out-state counties and then

compare them to Clark which lost huge amount of voters.

I wouldn't be shocked if the outer counties had an increase and Clark lost (Paul's area of support).

One thing I know is that in Clark County you have to work on Saturday if you are in the hospitality/travel industry, and that stopped alot of people from going to the Caucuses. The Rest of the state is not really affected by travel and thus has time to get out and vote on Saturdays.

Washoe County

had a net loss of 31 votes from 2008 to 2012. Doesn't add up.

Ron Paul GROWTH RATE FROM 2008 to 2012:

IA: 120%
NH: 211%
SC: 385%
FL: 87%
NV: 1%

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

I did expect...

him to thump Gingrich by 2x as many votes. Guess thats what i get for keeping my hopes up.

Are we really all this niave?

The turn-out was there in NV. Lost and missing ballots and voter fraud are the reasons - how could RP get less votes than in 2008 - we saw that RP was drawing thousands for his campaign stops throughout NH and NV, Gingrich had to cancel one of his scheduled stops in NH due to a small turn-out. This election is all about fraud and getting the candidates the establishment want - not the People.

The Jewish lobbyists and pay-offs have a large influence in this State

Preparation through education is less costly than learning through tragedy

Love the post, but you lost

Love the post, but you lost me at "Jewish Lobbyists." That is flat out ignorant. Israel Lobbyists is the apt term. Ironically, the Orthodox Jewish people turned out for Ron Paul. I would be insulted if I was Jewish.

Let me think for a moment

Hmmmmm....They lied?

Simple yet true...

Simple yet true...

"Give me Liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry

I'm sure many have moved from

I'm sure many have moved from Vegas with the economy the way it is.

This makes no difference...

...when it comes down to percentages. The emotion is high due to bailouts, unemployment and the housing crisis. Voters stay at home when everything is peachy, not when they want change

Preparation through education is less costly than learning through tragedy

e United States Census Bureau

e United States Census Bureau estimates that the population of Nevada was 2,723,322 on July 1, 2011, a 0.84% increase since the 2010 United States Census.[1]

According to the Census Bureau's 2007 estimate, Nevada has an estimated population of 2,565,382 which is an increase of 92,909, or 3.5%, from the prior year and an increase of 516,550, or 20.8%, since the year 2000. This includes a natural increase since the last census of 81,661 people (that is 170,451 births minus 88,790 deaths) and an increase due to net migration of 337,043 people into the state. Immigration from outside the United States resulted in a net increase of 66,098 people, and migration within the country produced a net increase of 270,945 people. According to the 2006 census estimate, Nevada is the eighth fastest growing state in the nation.[24]

Someone has already posted

Someone has already posted about this I believe. Population has increased since 2008, so that's not the issue.

To be honest

It's the caucus process.
It was a different kind of mess last time.
Crowded, confusing, even to not so well trained volunteers.
I think many sat out this one as a protest. Even this year, had I not located a person who had a child in the school that was my polling place, I may have never found the library, where my precinct was meeting. There were no signs to direct me there. People kept showing up late, tried to get directly in the back doors without signing in. Many thought it was like a primary this time,,,just vote and go at any time you pleased.

"I don't endorse anything they say"
~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.

Even still, the RP campaign

Even still, the RP campaign was looking at a turnout of 15k+ for Paul, it was that unorganized? To disaffect ~9k people? I find it hard to believe. And it couldn't be any worse than 2008, right? Same process, different year.


High unemployment and foreclosure rates, an unpopular president and yet caucus numbers are DOWN?? Something doesn't smell right.

This is all going to wash out at the state convention.

The delegates to the state convention were selected locally at each precinct.

If there was fraud, it will be rectified at the state convention.

Granted we won't get the press we needed with a strong 2nd place showing, but it will all work itself out in the end.

Of course, that is assuming that we have more of an overwhelming presence than we did in 2008 and we have some supporters in high places so they can't just simply shut down the convention like they did 4 years ago.

I am optimistic about this one turning in our favor.

Regardless, if Paul feels like he has been cheated, he could always pull the third party card out and play it.

The party is at a disadvantage this go around. They know they can't win without Paul on board this time.

I don't have my numbers in front of me

but Clark alone lost around 6000 or almost 30% from 2008.

That's what I got anyway.

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They must have dumped the votes

There's no other explanation. No one in the media will report it.

Too many chem trails, to much

Too many chem trails, to much floride in the water.

It Always Happens Against Incumbents

This always happens when a party runs against an incumbent:
historically, the incumbent usually wins, so the people who choose to run against the incumbent are usually second-tier candidates.

The power-players usually run at the end of the incumbents' second terms when they are facing a free-for-all against multiple candidates in the opposition party.

Turn out and participation is always off in "off" years.

Media coverage is not as intense as more than half the electorate isn't expected to participate in one party's internal nominating process. Less competition means less interesting horse race.

This is all an advantage to dedicated delegates as they only have to win over or outnumber the die-hard party insiders and duty-driven voters. No one else is participating.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

So RP "Votes" Should Have

RISEN...and which "Incumbent" do you refer to?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

12,000 votes is the number that Ron Paul expected to gain

Ron Paul has been increasing his vote totals over 2008 by a two to five times margin. If he increased his 6087 votes from 2008 by three times that would have given him 18,261 this time around, which is about the 12,000 vote "decrease in voter turnout". It's as if they threw 2/3 of Paul's votes away.

In 2008, Nevada held it's caucuses on the same day as South Carolina held their primary. There was hardly any attention on Nevada in 2008. This year there were three full days of media attention on just Nevada. It's hard to explain a 25% decrease in voter turnout.

Tim Maitski
Atlanta real estate agent
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they didn't. GOP dumped

they didn't. GOP dumped votes in NV.

This caucus is the biggest fraud since Iowa.

The GOP has already selected their nominee, Romney. We'll only get Dr. Paul on the general election ballots as an Independent. Too many people around here haven't come around to this yet.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Dude, if the GOP is rigging

Dude, if the GOP is rigging elections, you don't think that will happen in the General? lol.

people go to prison for it in

At least people can go to prison for it in the generals. This is just a "private party event"...like a Fraternity deciding on new pledges. Same laws don't apply.

Also, much harder to do with 2 equally corrupt sides watching each other vs. 1 corrupt party running everything themselves.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

When those who Make the Laws Break them

The reality is those committing the fraud are the same people that make the laws therefore the laws don't apply to them. It's BS if you ask me but that is the truth!

I am at that point where

I'm about to say "fuck it", lets go third party...
And while we are at it, bring in Jesse Ventura.

If Paul went third party,

If Paul went third party, here on the Daily Paul is the ONLY place the name Ron Paul would ever be mentioned again between then and the general election.