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Did Only 25% of the Campaign's Identified Supporters Show Up? Something's Very Wrong

Something very wrong happened in Nevada. Here's a quote I read a few days ago that had me ready for a huge victory in Nevada.


"We have more IDs than Romney had votes in '08," said Paul's state chairman, Carl Bunce, meaning identified supporters who have committed to attend Saturday's caucuses across the state. He wouldn't give a precise number, but Romney's 2008 vote total in his big Nevada win was 22,649."

That made perfect sense to me because this time around, Ron Paul's numbers in the first 4 states have been 2 to 5 times more than they were in 2008.

This same article supported this with another piece of information.

"The town clerk, she said, has reported being stunned by the number of former Democrats and independents the Paulites have gotten to register as Republicans in order to caucus for Paul. The volunteers have netted 800 new registrations, according to Bunce."

But the final results reported show that Ron Paul only got 39 more votes this time around vs. 2008, 415 in 2008 and 454 in 2012.

Something just doesn't add up here.

Nye County gives us a great opportunity to figure it out. It's small enough to be able to be able to get a complete accounting of the votes.

If Nye County is so passionately for Ron Paul and if maybe 1000 people actually voted for him, it should be possible to get sworn affidavits from at least half saying that they voted for Ron Paul.

It also should be possible for a few people from each precinct in Nye County to be able to say what they saw as the real time vote count at each caucus.

Nye County is the perfect scenario to either prove vote fraud or to identify the huge problem of getting supporters out to actually vote. It's a scale that is very manageable.

Related: Let's take a look at Ron Paul's support in primaries/caucuses so far from 2008 to 2012...

Does this look fishy to anyone else?

Ron Paul Discusses Vote Fraud, 2008

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Anyone think that its because

people have left Nevada? I mean, the economy is upside down there. I would assume lots of people moved away. That is what happens to Nevada when tough times hit.

No, as stated in several posts below,

Nevada's population has grown steadily by all accounts.

Overall population growth doesn't mean much, unless you

assume that it was equally distributed over the political preferences of all candidates.

What would be more relevant is to see the population figures based on age ranges, since polling data shows Paul's support is skewed toward the younger demographic.

If the population distribution in NV is older than it was in 2008, even if overall population increased, it could lead to a decrease in relative percentage of younger voters.

fool me twice, shame on me

We learned that they are willing to fudge numbers last election...and we didn't do anything about it.

In fact, the people here that were trying to discuss how to handle voter fraud were often dismissed..especially in the last few months.

More than 25%, but probably around....


So, yes a full 4 out of 10 of our supporters did not turn out. Sorry.

So which is it?

Does Ron Paul not get as many votes as it appears he should get by his visible support because "he has the most fervent, energetic, dedicated supporters" who would wade through a Tsunami to vote for their hero, but not the numbers they would seem to represent (as we have been hearing for five years from the MSM)- or does he not get as many votes because he has the most unreliable, inactive, apathetic, comatose supporters who don't show up to vote in states he has a good chance to win (as is suddenly the new reason)?

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Either they've been lying all along, or they're lying now (it's possible they were lying both times) or the vote was rigged.

BTW, if they got 50-60% of the pledges out to vote, as YOU even admitted to, that would still be about 15,000 votes - not 6,000. That would mean he NUKED NEWT and was right up with Mitt's 16,000.


you think we had 32000 pledges in NV? you're on crack. Maybe 10-12000 max.

And yes, in some states they'd go through a tsunami and other states like NV not.

All politics is local. You're making the same ontological erros that the national campaign makes, not knowing your local markets.

Are there comparative figures ?

for Identified supporters at IOWA for example?

I would like to see that too!

That would be a good comparison.
Good idea!

The Virtual Conspiracy

I remember reading a figure

I remember reading a figure in December, I think it was something like 15 or 20k.I'll try to confirm.

I've now read this article 5 or 6 times & others of the same sort, it's really depressing...

"Give me Liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry

Donating voters to cross reference NV Support? - Worth a Look!


Select NV state obviosly.
Select Candidate

Donor details that probably voted in NV. Select the 3 digit zip code from the drop down to get contribution details for year 2011.

Notice that RP was second to Romney in total contributions in 2011. 4 to 1 money donated in Clark county and 81 to 25 contributors. (fishy)

There must be other legit local and national political webpage stamps out there that can show commited enthusiasm for Ron Paul in Nevada with diffent people attracted to it to raise reasonable suspicion on obvious voter fraud.

2012 Presidential Campaign Finance
NV Contributions to Paul, Ron by 3 digit Zip Code

I've never seen the FEC

FEC website. I looked for myself and I'm not on here. I've done every moneybomb except for one. ???

same here

and yes, my donations were under $200. Question: Do RP store purchases get logged as donations as far as FEC or Open Secrets website is concerned?

RP R3VOLution


Did you donate over $200 total? If not you won't be on there for sure because that's the minimum FEC reporting requirement.

If you didn't donate over $200 in a single donation, there is a chance there was a mistake and your donations weren't properly grouped as being from the same person.

Either way, if you donated over $200 and aren't listed there, it's an FEC violation, so you might want to avoid advertising that.

Transaction Details

It posts as little as $10 contributions and even posts refunds back to contributor. Example:


My Error! I spread this

My Error!
I spread this thinking I was leading various private efforts to an official site. Sorry for my ignorance! Apparently Nevada HQ is not asking for vote tallies.

The campaign can deal only

The campaign can deal only with hard facts that can be submitted to judges. Otherwise the media will make fools of them.

Why haven't the supporters gathered the proper evidence they were supposed to gather. There was plenty of warning fraud would happen and now that it does, everyone seems to be almost acting as if they were caught by surprise.

What happened to the picture evidence of the results being submitted to other third party central locations? All I see is everyone scrambling on various blogs trying to compile "on the ground" results.

If the supporters did their job, then they would be able to supply all the evidence needed for the campaign to do their investigations.

Do you think the Ron Paul will be able to make the changes to the country that he is talking about as president without you? NO!

Election Fraud

Of course this was election fraud orchestrated by the GOP and or the other campaigns which is why Jack Welch is so sure that Ron Paul is about to be fired so to speak.

If the GOP/other campaigns are behind this, this will follow Ron Paul throughout the election, so hoping that Ron Paul takes Texas is like hoping you spontaneously sprout wings and fly, it ain't happening.

Only an intervention from GOD himself will put Ron Paul in the white house as the POTUS.

Once there was a Furry Freak

Once there was a Furry Freak brother cartoon. One was sitting in a haystack smoking you-know-what. The other comes up and looks at him and says, "God helps those who help themselves". The haystack guy said, "All things come to those who wait." I have never forgotten it, because I loved it, at the time. Over the years, however, it is not as funny. If u do not exercise your own free will, and God-given power, then you are like the flotsam and jetsam--blowing or sailing wildly with no plan nor destination. All things may well come, and run you over half the time, anyway. If, with strength of purpose and and eye to God, one proceeds in a direction of honor and light, success is usually found.
We must work to end vote fraud. We MUST. Seems GOP heads did what they were told, one last time, and got out. They could not stand to be a part of it anymore, seems to me.

If you have a Facebook page

please send the info you posted here in this topic to Ben Swann, he is doing a story on Nevada and possible fraud. Here is the post on Dailypaul....


Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Not sure if I said this on your thread...

I contacted the campaign and they stated "We have a legal team investigating and working our options."

So all of the talk of "NO FRAUD" looks to be bullshit. Just like we suspected.

We will see hopefully.

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I've heard a lot about voter

I've heard a lot about voter fraud ever since I became a Paul supporter. While I wouldn't be surprised (little surprises me), I have been sitting on the fence because I hate to stir up the "conspiracy theory" type of blowback.

This being said, I do not believe Paul came in 3rd in Nevada. In fact, I didn't believe he came in 4th in Florida either, but here we are.

Anyway, I am wanting to put together a website that allows and encourages all registered voters in Nevada that voted for Paul, to come forth and sign a petition stating they, indeed, did vote for Paul. This will allow us to get some kind of a count of the number of votes he received and compare our count to that of the Nevada GOP.

I realize we may not be able to reach all of Paul's supporters in Nevada, and as such may miss some, but if we got enough to show a serious discrepancy, we could take up donations from Paul supporters and hire a law firm to file a lawsuit against the Nevada GOP.

I'm not 100% sure how this would all work out as I have never attempted anything like this before. However, I do know I would not be able to take on this kind of a project by myself and am wondering if anyone out there would be interested in helping. If so, send me an email at carmenrydelle at yahoo.com. (blanks are there to keep robots from picking it up.

Sorry guys

but in Iowa, this is what happened to me. Only 20% of my RP supporters showed up. Luckily Ron Paul still won my precincts...

but 20% showing is nothing abnormal. SADLY.

Pottawattamie County Iowa

"Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism." -Dr. Ron Paul

Ron Paul turns out 1500 to an event....

Newt turns out 150 to and event.....20% of 1500 still beats 20% of 150. You are talking like every other candidate gets 100% participation!

This is a 'no brainier' to solve!

The solution to the problem is a 'no-brainier' for a campaign with as much 'feet on the ground organization' as the Ron Paul campaign!

Already by Saturday night, maybe earlier, the state campaign chair would have instructed each county coordinator to have ready a spread sheet with the responses, collected as they were received, from each precinct leader. Those responses would be from each voter listed on the Ron Paul supporter tracker site, or donor list, and simply give a yea or nay to the question, 'Did you attend Caucus and vote Ron Paul?'!

At the end of the day, the counties would have responses tabulated and totals ready for numbers of supporters who actually attended, how they voted, at which caucuses, what location, the totals for RP, and any other pertinent observations!

Where are the totals?

Where is the state campaign director?

Where are the county coordinators?

Where are the precinct leaders?

That is hands on campaign organization! Every state should be doing this! The life of the nation hangs in the balance! This is not some once in four years Olympics you are preparing for... it is the life and death of a civilization of peace, liberty and freedom! It is the rise and fall of an era!

Come to think of it, Olympians maybe take it far more seriously... apparently some Ron Paul supporters did also for the 'super-fool' Sunday afternoon, instead of for life and liberty!? One would not have thought so.

Let's find out... state director?


Great idea. It should be part

Great idea. It should be part of the official campaign website.

"secret insider vote recount"

"secret insider vote recount" --- HOW MUCH MORE DO YA NEED TO CALL FRAUD?

How does Newt beat Ron Paul?

How does a candidate (Newt) who can't fill a venue with supporters beat Ron Paul? I must be the same magic that McCain used?

That's a no-brainer

It is not just about energy and turnout. Conservatives are still holding out hope that Gingrich or Santorum can be the anti-Romney. They don't like Dr. Paul's foreign policy. So, given Gingrich's big win in SC and strong showing (over 30%) in Florida many are still holding out hope that Gingrich can be the conservative alternative to Romney.

Paul is still a niche candidate in the Republican Party. We love that niche but 80% of Republican voters do not. He has got to continue to work his message and convert voters to the cause. One group in particular is not with us, if you look at the polling across states.


campaign satisified


"When the results were eventually released at 1 a.m. Monday, the Paul campaign pronounced itself satisfied there was no fraud, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal:

Carl Bunce, the Nevada director of Paul's campaign, said he was satisfied with the outcome. On Saturday night and early Sunday, national Paul campaign officials threatened to sue the party over the apparent caucus counting errors.

"I'm content, but it didn't need to happen this way," Bunce said. "It was just human error and some chaos."