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Did Only 25% of the Campaign's Identified Supporters Show Up? Something's Very Wrong

Something very wrong happened in Nevada. Here's a quote I read a few days ago that had me ready for a huge victory in Nevada.


"We have more IDs than Romney had votes in '08," said Paul's state chairman, Carl Bunce, meaning identified supporters who have committed to attend Saturday's caucuses across the state. He wouldn't give a precise number, but Romney's 2008 vote total in his big Nevada win was 22,649."

That made perfect sense to me because this time around, Ron Paul's numbers in the first 4 states have been 2 to 5 times more than they were in 2008.

This same article supported this with another piece of information.

"The town clerk, she said, has reported being stunned by the number of former Democrats and independents the Paulites have gotten to register as Republicans in order to caucus for Paul. The volunteers have netted 800 new registrations, according to Bunce."

But the final results reported show that Ron Paul only got 39 more votes this time around vs. 2008, 415 in 2008 and 454 in 2012.

Something just doesn't add up here.

Nye County gives us a great opportunity to figure it out. It's small enough to be able to be able to get a complete accounting of the votes.

If Nye County is so passionately for Ron Paul and if maybe 1000 people actually voted for him, it should be possible to get sworn affidavits from at least half saying that they voted for Ron Paul.

It also should be possible for a few people from each precinct in Nye County to be able to say what they saw as the real time vote count at each caucus.

Nye County is the perfect scenario to either prove vote fraud or to identify the huge problem of getting supporters out to actually vote. It's a scale that is very manageable.

Related: Let's take a look at Ron Paul's support in primaries/caucuses so far from 2008 to 2012...

Does this look fishy to anyone else?

Ron Paul Discusses Vote Fraud, 2008

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That says it all right there.

If only 10% of supporters showed up in one precinct then we can only surmise a similar low turnout in others. So much for vote fraud. Voter apathy is a better explanation.

Is this so?

You mean there are 20,000 registered Ron Paul supporters in Nevada and only 6175 turned up?

good luck surviving the surgery table

when surgeons get equivalence of some half of their pay because of inflation

we'll c if they give a sht about her life then, let alone her 'choice'. forget the baby's choice for a moment.

Has anyone tweeted Bunce about this?

He has a twitter account (cbunce31). Everyone who has a twitter account, please bring this concern to his attention!

I'm not a twitter user, but I created a twitter account this morning and tried to send him a tweet asking about the list of identified voters. Can someone who uses twitter tell me if that tweet got out? What hashtags should be used? Let's call some attention to this.

I am NOT "gonna go out on a limb," and EMPHATICALLY state

that NV Caucuses were STOLEN. Period.

Stop living in denial.

Just like in Iowa, when the official RP2012 internal polling and the exit poll conflict with the final result, which always either flips the Doc's number with the next RINO scumbag for either 2nd or 3rd, you know it's screwy.


Dr. Paul is not some fluffy in-denial politician who wants to hear inflated numbers for his ego. He is as straight shooter as you get. He is all about Reality! We all know this!

And guess who his internal pollster is: Fritz Wenzel, who worked with Zogby International, arguably the ONLY trustworthy 'scientific' polling company! Barring his Noe scandal, as far as Wenzel's actual professional polling work goes, he's very good at what he does.

For those of you who maybe inclined to search DP, I've made a few threads in regards to how all polls are by definition "push polls," but of those, Zogby still remains the best in the nation. And, Fritz used to work with Zogby. So that should tell you something.


Given all this, it is damn near INCONCEIVABLE that RP2012 official internal polling would be off by 'that' much.

And for those living in denial it's time to wake the F' up and get active, especially if you live in the next coming caucus states. No if's, and's or but's.

My dearest R3VOL, we CANNOT let this shenanigans happen, again and again and again!

With or without the official RP2012 campaign doing this on their own, for EVERY election coming up, including the primaries, we need R3VOL attending caucuses and primaries to FILM EVERY PRECINCT!

Especially at Caucus sites, film every ballot count and recount, then set up a central tabulation center of your own for your county precincts. So that you'll have a centrally tabulated vote count to compare what the official GOP country party's numbers are, as well as the final State's tabulated numbers.

We ALL know this, if not should already, that at the caucuses are not where it is, or can be stolen. It is at the usually secret GOP party HQ central tabulation locale, as was the case in Iowa.

And please, don't live in denial with Iowa. It WAS stolen. Period.

Now at Party HQ central tabulation locale, they're merely getting phoned in the final tally numbers from respective precincts. The ONLY way we gonna have proof or 'catch them in the act' is, WHEN the on-the-ground caucus ballot count is finalized and is publicly announced on a projection screen or wherever they're counted in a room with campaign and R3VOL reps observing, and we're able to compare the number being called OUT from a precinct to the party HQ.

So, I'd recommend that 1st, establish your own local R3VOL central tabulation locale or procedure. Then, RECORD the final tally at your local precinct, then Tweet it, email it, or whatever. Publicly send that number out with a very short video verification on YouTube or some other public video upload site with Precinct number and final count.

As for the Party HQ central tabulation locale, DEMAND that either the official campaign AND MINIMUM of TWO (in case the count goes on like in NV, and one needs to rest; you cannot let anything get out of your sights! 3 is really ideal) grassroots R3VOL representative there, during the count process.

Just ask yourselves. How in the world can NV GOP be expected to be taken seriously when they didn't even announce a result, before RE-counting?

How can here be a "re-count," when there weren't even a "count?"

Ask yourselves, WHY would the NV GOP NOT publish what their initial numbers are, unless they don't want the rest of the world know what the initial results were?

That, should be a common sense "WTF!"-moment.

Then to make matters worse, regardless of whether Amy Tarkanian, the Clark County GOP Chairwoman, previously scheduled to help out her hubby running for Senate race or not, it is politics.

What you DON'T do as a political operative is 'resign' AT MIDNIGHT as the Clark County GOP chair in the middle of a controversial "recount," especially considering the circumstances of Iowa GOP chairman 'resigning' after the stolen election and botched count there. Which communicates to ANYONE, that a possibility also exists that Clark County, too can be stolen!

If you WANT to raise 'conspiracy theories,' yes, be a MORON and declare a "re-count" when you've never released an initial final tally. Then, in midst of vote fraud rumors flying high, have your county party chairperson, in middle of a two day long recount, 'resign' at midnight!

Besides, whoTF resigns at midnight? Can you make it seem anymore shadier if you were writing a pulp-fiction?

When it walks like a fraud, quacks like a fraud, it's a motherf'ng fraud, capice?

No denial R3VOL. Get real here.

And, does ANYONE credit Mr. True who exposed the fact that Iowa awarded Wrongney erroneously, is a Ron Paul supporter?

Mr. True goes to the heart of this movement's integrity! Representin'

Like it or not, if it weren't for Mr. True, Wrongney would still be the declared winner. He exposed it, even though it doesn't help the RP2012 campaign and in some sense, can arguably harm it, as it kept Frothy in longer.

But his integrity compelled him to do what was RIGHT, just like the Doc would. So proud of him for that.

But the real point of all this? If such glaring fraud happened in one precinct in IA, you better believe the high likelihood of that happening else where in IA.

Now I personally contend that the Doc won in Iowa. But regardless, it is because of the integrity of the R3VOL that the final result got fixed. Think on that for a bit.

So consider that reality: how much ballot count integrity and recording and publishing the record publicly can maintain the fairness of the caucus process.

So recap:

1. Establish a R3VOL central tabulation procedure for ALL your precincts in your caucus state.

2. DEMAND that you have minimum of TWO R3VOL reps at your caucus state's GOP HQ central tabulation locale. As the final tallies from respective precincts are being called in, make sure you communicate with a R3VOL at EVERY precinct to confirm the number being called in via Tweet, email, text, phonecall or whatever.

3. At the respective precincts, have minimum of TWO R3VOL record EVERY count, recount, and final vote tally. Then publish it publicly, immediately.

Anything I missed, please recommend your ideas.

This NEEDS to be done folks. Now go get'em R3VOL! Go! Go! Go!

We MUST WIN the Presidency. Period. Just remember, otherwise, it's WW3 starting with Iran abroad, and NDAA PoliceState at home.

That should be your motivation enough.

Now let's go win this thing!

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul


Video record EVERYTHING!

So do something about it

Carl Bunce, the Nevada chairman, has a list of committed voters. A large percentage of the actual voters will be on that list. If any Ron Paul votes were discarded, chances are it could be proven based on affidavits from those voters, and with that list someone could zero in on the precincts with the most unlikely vote totals and start getting some hard data with a few phone calls.

Someone who is on our side, who works for the campaign, has the data that can prove fraud, if fraud occurred. Tweet him. (I'm not a twitter user but I created an account this morning and tried to do that.) Contact him on facebook if you use facebook. I'm going to create a facebook account and try to to that next.

BTW, where are you seeing the RP internal polling data? Is it published?

I'd ask you to read again,

look down to steps outlined in what can be done, as per your "So do something about it"

"Tweet him. (I'm not a twitter user but I created an account this morning and tried to do that.)" - then, open a Twitter account. They're less 'directly' tied into the police state panopticon, unlike FaceBook. Plus I found it to be a better RSS than RSS.D

"Contact him on facebook if you use facebook. I'm going to create a facebook account and try to to that next." - thanks

as for internal polling, look down to the portion about Fritz Wenzel. You can look it up yourself: I believe he's on Brian Wilson Show on WSPD regularly to update the R3VOLution on the numbers. Their internal polling for NV was 24~25%.



Just read your "I created a twitter account this morning, just to contact him (cbunce31). I don't know what hashtags to use or anything else, but someone explain it and I'll tweet again." after I posted this.

Thanks. that's the ticket!

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Good luck with that. It is

Good luck with that. It is good advise!

Vote count

I am a delegate, and in my district Romney got 39 votes, Paul go 14 votes and the other two got 0 votes...that is why I am very confused by the numbers that show up overall. A vote count of 53 people is a good indication of the overall scheme and that overall scheme does not represent my district. Thoughts?

Dizzo, did you report your

Dizzo, did you report your vote count to the person on DP who is asking for vote counts from each caucus site?

Could you list your precinct and site, and name

If not here, then, email me: I am writing this in a book on election riggnig.


Look, they are hurting our hearts, all of us. The Gingrich numbers are fabricated. Adleson, 13 million, etc. could easily bribe this up.

Two resignations? Come on!!

Not one single major news organization ....

has reported or even hinted that there was fraud in Nevada. We are on our own in this and its only going to get dirtier now that the major news organizations and the national GOP know they can get away with it.


My precinct (1000) had at least twice as many people as 08. Sure, most of those voted for Romney, but we got 2nd. The final count at that location had us in 2nd. When I got home, the local news says turnout was down from 08. I thought that was weird.

You only had a net loss of 31 votes from 2008 to 2012

in Washoe County. Not bad I'd say if I was a delusional crackhead.

Ron Paul GROWTH RATE FROM 2008 to 2012:

IA: 120%
NH: 211%
SC: 385%
FL: 87%
NV: 1%

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

Help this thread out


Can we help this thread out - he is actually doing something that could provide solid evidence. If the campaign had approximately 20,000 pledges and only 6,000 supposedly voted, this spreadsheet of votes recorded by RP supporter could help.


This indeed is an opening to be followed! Good job! A list means names. Names mean possibilities to contact people. This opening needs to be used.

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Probably trying to ferret out

Ron Paul supporters to find names to compare them with delegate lists....I don't trust it.But thats just my opinion.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul

People here should stop

People here should stop trying to justify the low vote count by blaming the young people. Young people who donated what little they have to Ron Paul. Young people who went door to door campaigning for Ron Paul. Young people who handed out brochures for Ron Paul. All these young people who worked so hard for Ron Paul would not take the time to vote for him...I think not.

People need to look elsewhere for the low vote count.

Everyone in Nevada who voted

Everyone in Nevada who voted for Ron Paul should submit a sworn affidavit to the campaign and let the them do the vote count. Certified copies should also be sent to the Nevada Board of Elections and the Nevada GOP. IMHO

I hope you're right

and I hope they're planning to do something about it.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Young People

Sleep in.

An "early" caucus is not ideal for getting young votes. Just sayin'.

There isn't much we can do from here. Supporters in NV will have to verify what they can.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

What's with the Zeroed-out Precincts?

I was watching the @NVCaucus on twitter, and when I got up this morning (Monday), I am greeted with 75 new tweets for precincts, but most of these last precincts were goose eggs across the board:


I think I found good data by exporting data from: https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1WbvfXb...

and building a spreadsheet.

291 precincts with zero votes for all candidates.

That's one big trouble box.


Young people sleep in?

What a beautifully stupid blanket statement to make about a whole generation.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Are saying?

Are you saying they wouldn't even set an alarm clock for Ron Paul? Man,if this is the case this country is in serious trouble over the next 10 years.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

This just doesn't seem to be too hard to figure out.

Every caucus should have a Ron Paul representative insist before the caucus vote, that an onsight count is going to be verified at the close of the caucus. If they don't agree, sound off loud and clear and document. Do they not do this now? If not, good grief. Then it's just a matter of adding up the caucus total and comparing to what the GOP reports as "final". If they don't match up, you've got a problem. If they do match up, you don't have a problem. I know that Ron Paul has at least one person who would volunteer for this duty at each caucus site, so why not figure this %&#$ out!

alan laney

The people of Navada

Need to rise up and demand a re vote. Tptb have already covered their tracks. The recount before the count was finished missing votes ect. Demand a re vote

So not every 'passionate' supporter votes?

Given the passion of Ron Paul supporters you'd think they'd show up to vote. But if Nye county, for example, could only garner 450 supporters into voting, then there is a huge problem.

And who said there were only

And who said there were only 450 Ron Paul voters in Nye county...the GOP...the MSM?

The Results, cactus1010, the results...

... so that would be easy to verify: were there or were there not just 450 RP votes in Nye? Even if the Nye population is not high, one does expect more than 450 votes.

...the end is nye :)