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And weren't the votes

expected from the "youth" supporters from the county that was "commandeered" into a secret vote locale?

..not to mention the numerous districts that suddenly went to "limbo"?...disappeared....like a Vegas Casino Act.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

i posted a few facts that

i posted a few facts that demonstrate how ron paul did better than people are admitting, and try to help explain why his numbers were lower than expected...and i get voted down. i'm starting to understand why people are so turned off by ron paul supporters. so many angry, knee-jerk reactions.

You seem to have been voted

You seem to have been voted back up.

Remember that anybody can join and we have some astroturf members from the other sides. So don't take "early returns" on moderation personally. It might be the other guys trying to foul us up.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Why? has not been answered

Why move the counting for one county to central location.
Why were the precinct counts not released
Why did the recount take longer then the caucus

When you eliminate the impossible, what remains, no matter how improbable is the truth.

Yes virginia, there is a santa claus.

a good indicator would be to

a good indicator would be to compare the NV number of donors form 2008 to this campaign, that will give us a better idea about where RP support is in the state. It would be impossible to have more donors and not a significant increase in votes.

looks like others are asking

looks like others are asking the same question: http://www.dailypaul.com/211911/campaign-donations-in-nevada

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Another good indicator

Another good indicator would be to compare the 2008 turnout for Paul vs. 2012 for those precincts that were made public before the recount began vs. those precinct tallies released after the recount.

Ed Rombach

Biggest Weekend of the year

for gamblers and tourists....

everyone is really busy....

and they decide to hold a caucus.

I think that's the 'set up'.

They knew no one of working age would be able to attend.

I guess that's par for Vegas.....

The house wins again

Freedom is the answer !!
What's the question ?
-Jack Blood-

Yes but...

Shouldn't that help Ron Paul? His voters would seem the most likely to ensure that their votes are cast.


but the demographic shows the turnout to be 70% of the voters were 50+ years old....

It was the retirees who were able to go.

Freedom is the answer !!
What's the question ?
-Jack Blood-

And WHOM , Exactly

...Is "supplying" that "demographic"?

......(In Response to "lenstwo2")
who wrote:
"but the demographic shows the turnout to be 70% of the voters were 50+ years old...."

We must remember...
....."What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas".
That's the Commercial aired on TV?
That's the "mindset" of the locale?

And it's TOTALLY DIFFERENT than ANY OTHER tourism "pitch".

NO...."those" demographics don't apply "here" would be my estimation..and unless you've been there, and have friends that live there......you can't even imagine.
........Anyone care to join in?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

One word : FRAUD

One word : FRAUD

I wonder whats the best way

I wonder whats the best way to show and find out the truth on the results. Tis beyond belief.

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."


the ballots are destroyed by now. These bastards are good at covering up their actions - they are the mob, for God's sake - it is their line of work - corruption.

I'll provide the list so

I'll provide the list so far:

1. Secret, centralized vote tallying at GOP HQ.
2. A 2-day "recount" for Clark County before the original, completed tally was even announced.
3. A large and unexplained 25% drop in turnout vs. 2008 (ballot dumping?).
4. A landslide and televised win in the Adelson evening caucus which was supposed to be won by Jewish & 7th Day Adventist Gingrich supporters, and even after many Ron Paul supporters were turned away by an affidavit on penalty of perjury that you were a Jew or 7th Day Adventist (WTF?).

5. And now we're supposed to believe that Paul got less than 100 additional votes over 2008, when the prior four contests showed large increases in vote totals for Paul?

I'm sorry people, but I don't have to await hard evidence of election fraud. There's enough circumstantial evidence to say we got jipped, *big time.*


Jipped? We was robbed! And this will come back to haunt the GOP in the general election. It's called BLOWBACK!

Ed Rombach

Oh yeah, and there's more: 6.

Oh yeah, and there's more:

6. Nevada GOP Chairwoman, Amy Tarkanian officially resigned effective 12:01am Feb. 5th while votes were being recounted. According to ABC's Action News 13, her resignation was supposedly decided prior to the caucuses yesterday because her husband is running for the US House and wanted to avoid a possible conflict of interest and to help her husband with his campaign. Your guess is as good as mine as to the timing of this resignation. That's the second GOP state chair after Matt Strawn resigned out of Iowa. See the pattern? Make sure the "fix" is in for Romney, resign, and disappear.


I obviously don't know anything for sure but I bet it would be hard for her husband to get elected to the house if she let Dr. Paul win her state. Something to think about.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.


This looks like a whale.

This graph needs to be seen next to another graph

State 2008 2012 Voter Increase %
IA 119188 121501 +1.9%
NH 234851 238448 +1.5%
SC 445677 603856 +35.5%
FL 1949498 1672352 -14.2%
NV 44324 32894 -25.8%

Looks like Nevada forgot a few ballots somewhere. Nevada is already a low turnout state. Less than 2% of their population voted in the Republican caucus in 2008. The NV GOP doesn't have much room for loss of voters, and somehow they managed to lose 25.8% of them.

Add to the first graph that Ron Paul has spent a significant amount of time and money in Nevada, he should have seen percentage increase closer to IA, NH and SC.

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+1. The definitive advice

@ Mashimaro's Probability vs. Proof : I couldn't have put it better.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

let's not forget what they

let's not forget what they did in Nevada to Ron Paul please

To wit (as I understand it):

To wit (as I understand it): For the 2008 election Romney won the NV caucuses with Ron a reasonably close second and McCain a distant third. Then Romney dropped out and asked his supporters to go for McCain. But many of them went for Ron Paul. (Romney was a "native son" to some of the population but McCain had royally tweaked off the whole state.)

Come the state convention Ron had a majority and his people should have picked the national delegation and controlled the state's platform proposals and state party rule changes. But the party machine controlled the chair and the arrangements. The McCain forces staged a walkout. But they couldn't pull the meeting below quorum and trickled back in.

So the chairman dragged the meeting out until late afternoon, then suddenly announced that they had to vacate the room because time was up, announced an adjournment (without a vote, in violation of the rules, and without arrangements for another session), turned off the sound system and lights, and took a hike. It took something like 25 minutes to get the lights and sound back on, and though the venue operators said the convention could continue to use the room, in the confusion enough people had left that they WERE below quorum.

The party regulars kept promising a second session. But they never called one. With time running out the Ronulans tried to get a quorum together but failed. They submitted the (Ron Paul) slate from the convention that would have been a shoe-in if the process had gone to completion. The party picked their own (party machine regulars supporting McCain). The national convention credentials committee censured the NV machine and picked their own slate - composed of essentially the Machine's list.

Ron did not have enough delegates to get anywhere near nomination. So this whole exercise was essentially just to keep him from having ANY delegates at the national convention, with maybe a side-order of keeping his people from having any influence on the party power structure.

(I've built my retirement place in NV but haven't changed my residence yet and thus couldn't be present. How about it, Nevadans. Do I have this right?)

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.


Thhis is the same crap they pulled in 2008 for Insane McCain. The GOP is a private company. They can rig any election for their back room candidate. And RP is not their candidate.

The game is rigged, the table is tilted. The GOP would rather have Obama re-elected then have RP end the gravy train.

America is going to get the candidate they deserve. And RP will get to say "I told you so..."

Probability vs. Proof

Based strictly on numbers, this is simply an unlikely scenario. That does not mean it *was* fraud. There are other explanations that, with the body of evidence we have so far, are plausible reasons for why this happened in Nevada. Unlikely events happen from time to time for all sorts of reasons. Human behavior is not simply about numbers.

I encourage those looking for proof to continue to try to do so and to show restraint in jumping to conclusions until the data has actually been compiled and analyzed.

Will this change the outcome? Probably not. The very best thing we can do is keep on changing minds and getting people out to vote for Paul. If they're defrauding us of our victory, we need to get so much momentum that their deception will not hold. If they're not, well, getting that much momentum would still be what we want, right?

We're talking about something looking "fishy"

which is to say, there is a probability of fraud. Nobody here is claiming we have definitive proof of fraud.

yes they are, and when i try

yes they are, and when i try to offer other possible reasons or just suggest that people take a more thorough reasoned approach, i get attacked and voted down.

You start with probability

Then check for proof.

My thoughts exactly Spear.

My thoughts exactly Spear.

To think otherwise is to hope proof just 'falls out of the sky'. If you aren't looking for it, you won't find it...That's pretty much asking for CNN or Fox to find and report voter fraud purely on their 'good will'. They will not, and so probability and suspicion powers the drive for proof.

Just shows you how many people care

If we could just work out how to get people to VOTE we could have a chance.