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Scary Sign that we're winning

I'm really freaked out by this.

(Reuters) - Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday.

These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference.

The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.

Article here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-fbi-extremi...

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Ponder about this


and the possible implications if only a part of it is true..

Excuse me but,

Aren't we broke?

We went off the gold standard and then went flat broke.

Some people in government are ignorant and, they will one day wonder why there is no paycheck for them either.

In Liberty

"Legal convictions of such

"Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said."

That's why this is propaganda. It's da boogeyman!!!

Scary Yes, but...

I would just like to remind everyone, especially those who are angry, that you should not jump to conclusions about everyone in uniform. When the time comes (hope it never does), when battle lines are drawn, there will be those in uniform who support the people and those who don't. Remember, a tree is recognized by the fruit it bears. Do not be so quick to judge. Do not lop everyone into one group or another. Be watchful and wary, sure. Remember, there are still many good people who wear the uniform of Police, FBI, Military, etc. If the crap ever hits the fan, be careful not to alienate those who are trying to help or want to help. Do not give them reason to justify violence. I've read a few posts in this thread that worry me slightly...and yes, there may come a time when there is no other option, but for now, our quest is one of peace, education, and common sense. Being reactionary because you are angry will only lead to trouble. For now, let us focus on fighting with ideas and passion.

Make your vote matter this year. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil! Vote your conscience, vote for Liberty, vote for the Constitution, VOTE RON PAUL!!!

They say anti-government like it's a bad thing?

I still pay my taxes though, not because I support the government but because I don't want to get wacked.

According to the logic expressed in this thread:

I can campaign for Ron Paul, but it's ok if I vote for Mitt Romney.

I can support the 2nd amendment, but I can also support gun control laws.

I can oppose ObamaCare, but I can support mandates.

I can oppose war in Iran, but I can sign up to go fight them.

I can FIGHT for PEACE.


(doesn't your logic look silly now?)

You can NOT serve two masters. CHOOSE one: Liberty or Tyranny. You can't have both.

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

You all need to chillax!

As in all fields and in all walks of life there are good, bad and indifferent. I am not a police officer but am a registered nurse and deal with law enforcement on a daily basis in the ER. To broadbrush any group is not only factually incorrect but just plain stupid. What about groups like Oath Keepers: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
Obviously these guys are trying to uphold and defend our constitution.

This article is laughable

They're trying to paint a "scary" picture of regular Americans but it's not working. Nice try...

Just building their case so

Just building their case so they can take some action under the umbrella of the Patriot Act. Damn domestic terrorists :D

Let the propaganda begin.

"They're just doing their jobs"....

hey, guess what? ""They're just doing their jobs" is NOT an excuse!

Is our society so mindless that we no longer recognize the difference between right and wrong? Is it really all about a paycheck? As long as someone's gettin' paid, it's ok because they're "just doin' their job"?!?!?!?

Nazi soldiers were "just doin' their jobs"
The TSA is "just doin their jobs"
the IRS is "just doin their jobs"
Obama is "just doin his job"
Bush was "just doin his job".....

Do you see where this kind of thinking leads?
stop being so damn complacent!

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

Give Me Liberty or Death!

is what the American spirit was born with.

You may not have to die (yet)...

But you will need to be BOLD enough to lose your job.

If the State/Local Police see the evil destination of the road we're on, they will draw their line in the sand.

They will DISOBEY orders.

They will JOIN the PEOPLE.


When you realize the education system is the golden goose which creates obedient, thoughtless adults to be used as human resources you will opt out of the system and encourage everyone you know to do the same.

we need to join forces w/ the sherrifs

The sheriff's are the only ones who aren't out there being revenue officers for the state. Sheriff's are the only law enforcement I support; they are to be peacekeepers, and I personally know many honorable men who are sheriff's. We should do all we can to support our local sheriff's and let them know the constitution is on their side.

Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.



This should be part of the long term strategy of the campaign for Liberty. These elections are small and the DP crowd could wield a strong influence when it comes to getting non-establishment types elected. This would be a huge blow to the federal dictatorship.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

Here's an official (?) quote from....

Soverign Citizens United. It's all new to me, but they say this about violence. Maybe they knew they would be labelled violent ahead of time:

"We do NOT endorse non-payment of taxes or violence to achieve these changes. "

"We do NOT endorse giving up a social security number and we do NOT endorse violence against the police or the government."

Source: http://sovereigncitizens.org/about/




Come out and playhay...

Can you count, suckerssssss???

-The Warriors(1979)


The PIGS are aggressors....

they want us to fight back.... it's a big thrill to them. I just hope they know what they're getting themselves into... poor piggies.... THEY might be the ones getting locked up someday... and oh how they will cry and cry... and we'll just be sure to remind them of their history of wicked deeds against U.S. citizens as we kindly refill their slop buckets... to hell with all of em! It's either you stand with liberty or you stand with tyranny. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN. Make your choice.

Go ahead, vote it down, pretend that you can be on the side of the cops AND liberty. (Wouldn't that be like me supporting Ron Paul, but voting for Mitt Romney?).... Wake up, folks. The police are NOT your friends, if they were, they never woulda let things go this far.

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

So basically,

what you're saying is "you're either with us or you're against us"

Now where have I heard that one before...?

Also, the whole "if you don't have this opinion, you MUST have a completely opposing one" argument isn't going to cut it. If you really think things are as black and white as you portray them to be, then I have to wonder how well you understand individualism.

On that note, stop acting as if you know how every cop operates, because from what I've read from you on the subject you don't have much of a clue beyond popular generalizations.

A signature used to be here!

On the contrary, there is

On the contrary, there is certainly an inbetween. In fact, it has been said that the way a movement thrives is through the passive acceptance of whatever reality the most active and insistent group believes. As a result, only about 10% is truly required to enact real change. The key is the mobilization of an irate minority. Focus your anger at the root of the issue, which is the overall government intrusion that is NOT created by individual police officers who have a vested interest in keeping their jobs and providing for themselves and their families.

Chill the f--k out man.

This is the Daily Paul. Is that how Dr. Paul would act?

I'm not Ron Paul or Jesus Christ

I've had cops pull guns on me, stick their hands down my pants, and humiliate me. They do this to anyone they please. Enough is enough, we have to draw the line somewhere. I will no longer sit back and tolerate their abuse of authority. This is how the Nazis rose to power. I will not cower before them. I will NOT lick their boots! I'm a FREE individual, dammnit!

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

You're generalizing. You

You're generalizing. You aren't looking at people as individuals, and you are therefore making false hypotheses about the way individuals behave and interact. That particular police officer who you so rudely insulted did not pull a gun on you, stick his hands down your pants, or humiliate you. Your comments are no more just than any preemptive actions made by any government. You act aggressively towards individual police officers who have yet to do you harm.

You have to live this philosophy. None of this works if you don't.

You are incorrect

Unlike the U.S., I was never the aggressor, I never attacked the cops, it was just the opposite. It was the cops who pulled me from my car without constitutional authority, it was the cops who violated my 4th amendment rights by searching my car and sticking their hands down my pants! The COPS pose a clear and present danger to the united states of ME... and many others. I feel that many of you are still misunderstanding the whole idea that a cop can not serve two masters. He only has one, his paycheck, and he'll do whatever's expected in order to get that check. When will the Ron Paul movement understand the pitfalls of forming alliances with people who can not truly embrace the ideas of liberty? Did we not learn our lesson with whole Tea Party fiasco? When the neocons started to infiltrate our group, many of you thought they were actually coming over to our side, instead they hijacked our message and distorted it. Now the "tea party" is just a bunch of neo-cons who don't understand the first thing about liberty. We helped them elect a bunch of "tea party" house and senate members, and what did most of them turn out to be? That's right, power hungry Neo-Cons. The cops are no different. Don't trust them and BEWARE OF ENTANGLING ALLIANCES! (I'd hate to be the guy holding hands with the cops when the revolution comes).

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

You still don't get it. YOU are a socialist. You have engaged

in nothing but "group-think" throughout this thread.

You do not see people as individuals, you are seeing them only as a group. You are using your personal experience with some of them to paint the entire group that way.

While you are scratching the surface of institutional problems with modern day policing, you can't extrapolate that to all of them are "the enemy."

You might need one of them one day to stand up for YOU who might once again find yourself being violated, harassed, and molested.

And if this is your attitude towards them, I GUARANTEE if you ever get pulled over again, you will have a similar experience.

You can blather all you want and wax unpoetically about "with us or against us" but you are doing so the entire time by sweeping generalizations, and ignoring individuality.

Dr. Paul admonishes people when they accuse him of racism because he says that is impossible of Libertarians. We don't see people in groups. We see only individuals.

You rants here are proof that you are NOT following what Dr. Paul believes. You are infected with the socialist thought-virus.

You are so closed minded to seeing people as individuals, you are leading yourself down an angry and destructive path. Sure, your trauma played a big part of that. But that was done by bad people, who happen to be police officers.

And finally, I leave you with this:

From your comments about "doing it for the paycheck" you show you are absolutely clueless. I challenge YOU to try doing their job for the peanuts they get paid to do it. From someone who had an officer in my family, I can tell you first hand, it isn't for the money. He worked 50 hours a week, 4 on 3 off, random schedule rotation, little sleep, in a dangerous environment, dealing with thugs and murderers, all for $971 a month. "He did it for the paycheck" RIIIIGGGHHTTT.

As a police officer and Ron Paul supporter...this group will get

you no support in law enforcement. Not because of their beliefs but because of their violent acts toward law enforcement.


Hey officer...

How do you justify arresting people for violating drug laws?... It's part of your job if you're a cop and it's why I'm NOT a cop. If you REALLY support LIBERTY you couldn't be a cop. I have ZERO respect for anyone uphold unjust laws. I'd spit on every cop in the U.S. if I had the chance. If you guys REALLY cared about liberty you'd join us in ENDING the war on drugs, not perpetuating it.

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."

You don't know him

And threatening to spit in people's faces via Internet comments is no way to start a civil conversation. You'll win more friends with logic and empathy than rudeness and aggression. I've thought about the same thing your comment is about many times, and I see what you're talking about. Anyone who justifies his actions with the phrase 'just doin mah job!' scares the daylights out of me. Those are the people who turned the valves on to the gas chambers in Auschwitz becuase 'they were just following orders". However, you are ignoring the fact that most Liberty-minded Paul supporters weren't born that way. If he is on this site, you both have a decent amount in common. There is no need for in-fighting.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

How do you know he arrests

How do you know he arrests people for drugs?

That's a prime example of how to get your ass kicked.

And the one kicking would be justified in doing so.

You have no idea what this gentleman is like, what his beliefs are, how he does his job, what laws he has to enforce, nothing.

I don't lick boots!

I don't care what his life is like. He chose his job and he CHOSE to uphold unjust drugs laws! Every cop knows that's part of their job, stop living in a fantasy land! If you wanna go around licking the boots of whatever shiny badged officer says they "support" ron paul, go right ahead, but actions speak louder than words and if ANY cop REALLY supported liberty, they wouldn't be a cop! You can't support the constitution and ignore it at the same time! WAKE UP!

"sometimes I hug the coffee table when no one is looking."