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ATTN Veterans and Active duty soldiers. Desperately need Advice.

I wrote a similar post to this a short while ago but an article (http://armedforcesjournal.com/2012/02/8904030) I read on Drudge today caused me to try again. If you commented on my other post feel free to repost if you wish.

I am an MSIV in ROTC and about to commission as a 2LT in the Army as and Engineer. I contracted back in '08 when I was a "Star spangle eyed" neoconservative before my older brother help me begin my "path to enlightenment" by giving me Ron Paul's "The Revolution: A Manifesto". Since then I have continually researched and educated myself on the Constitution, the Concepts of Liberty, Austrian Economics, and both 'revised' and unrevised looks at world history. I now know that (most) "War is a Racket" (Important read for all liberty minded people)and am having a hard time dealing with the truths I have learned and working in the military. At times I feel like I'm committing treason when I don't agree with all the war mongering talk of my superiors. Knowing how these wars for profit are based off of so many lies and simply aren't successful (what ever that is) how can I justify killing, ordering to kill or getting killed and putting my friends and family through that? How can I support my mission if(when) I get deployed in a unjustified war? I.E. If we invade Iran because they "have" nukes and I read the IAEA report and know better than to buy all the war propaganda. Cadets I know view the Constitution as a 'tradition' and irrelevant. They have no problem with this new NDAA act. Right now correcting this view is one of the reasons I want to stay in. I hope to be able to make a positive impact at some point on the Army if worse comes to worse.

To be clear I love the Army and its culture. I joined to serve a nation that I was proud of. I am wholeheartedly committed to my job and the soldiers I will serve. But right now I cannot morally justify serving when I know the truth. I am hoping I could get some advice on how you dealt with these issues in your service and in hindsight if you have any recommendations for me. This is constantly on my mind and I cannot find any peace with the issue.

On a separate note, while I got the ear of likely some quality soldiers, if any of you have anything you would like to tell a 2LT before they got to your platoon, especially if you were a CO or PSG, please share that too. I.E. what you hated/liked about your PL.

Thanks in advance for your response.



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Stay true to your oath of office.

I certainly hope it still says, "...defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC."

I once heard that Mei Lai would have been worse had a Warrant Officer Helicopter pilot trained his weapons on US troops to prevent them from killing more civilians.

It may again come to that. Never obey an unlawful order. BTW, watch "Last Resort" on ABC, sir.

Retired Master Sergeant Vietnam Era Veteran

I sure hope I meet and get to

I sure hope I meet and get to work with some NCO's like you.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Ha. Well, my simple answer is

Ha.

Well, my simple answer is this. I don't really know. I often wonder the same thing. I'm a platoon leader and I rock my Ron Paul Revolution bumper sticker. I'll be at BN headquarters next weekend, can't wait to see how that goes over. haha.

There are things I keep in mind however. For instance, there is a great responsibility in me. Not only do my men expect me to make the right decisions, but so does my country. Read your commissioned oath, it's different than the enlisted oath. That's for a reason. You are expected to make decisions. I'm not saying that you need to disobey lawful orders, you don't. But when something begins to cross the unconstitutional, I personally have trouble keeping my mouth shut. Some of the training I see taking place, some of the indoctrination, it makes me sick. Keep your head on right, and spread the message to those who are receptive to it, and to those that it is appropriate for someone in your position to tell.

By doing so, you may not necessarily change them, but you WILL keep them from changing you.

Thanks for that. Seems the

Thanks for that. Seems the general consensus is stay in and fight for change from within. What kind of training and indoctrination are you talking about (so I can know it when I see it/prepare for it)? BTW regulation wise your in the clear with a bumper sticker, can remember what reg but I know I read it.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

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"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Tell your men about Thompson, Andreotta, and Colburn

who intervened at the My Lai massacre.

From my own experience

Keep a journal/diary. I found it helps to express thoughts and emotions even if just on paper. It also helps keep you sane and can encourage you in ways you can't imagine.

Keep a copy of the constitution with you at all times. This is after all what you are giving an oath to protect and defend.

Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and others when you know you are in the right. Are you in this for a career, or to serve? One can argue that by serving you may never have a chance at an illustrious career. You will either be seen as a principled officer, or a trouble maker. Ask Ron Paul about this.

As far as how your enlisted guys will look at you. That's hard to say. I respected every officer who respected me and the oath they took. I had problems with arrogant and know it all officers that thought because they had gold or silver on their uniform, they were somehow better than me.

Treat your troops fairly, listen to their concerns, listen to those who are battle worn (NCO's) they will steer you right. Don't be afraid to laugh, cry and be one of the guys.

I could go on and on, but I hope that helps you some.

Oh yeah, one last thing, get to know your chaplain very well. Regardless of your religious preference or lack of, they are a world of information and an invaluable resource.

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Thanks for the advice. I here

Thanks for the advice. I here you on the difference between the 'careerist' type and those there to serve the soldiers. I will certainly strive to be the latter.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Forget about all that and

Forget about all that and lead your men and women with honor and dignity. When the tough calls have to be made...feel confident that you make the right decisions based on what you have learned. Be proud to be a United States Military Officer.

Truth before all else.....it is what will allow us to emerge with dignity and honor.

Take care of you and your own

That's the only advice which works.

I have no concept who or what is some of the abbreviations you use freely; you know what those things are, I don't.

Be aware that you are enlisted to fight for something I don't condone, and be aware that I'd like you home.

That aside, by all means, take care of yourself. I want you whole, I want you back home...F the superiors, it's not worth your life!

Just say "NO" to antidepressants.

No matter how bad it gets, and I suspect it may be very hard some days, deal with it like a man. You made your choices, you will deal with the consequences and rewards. But when they want to numb you so you feel better, say "NO."

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Obviously... or this sarcasm?

Obviously... or this sarcasm?

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

No it's serious

Once on, you are on for life.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I wouldn't imagine ever

I wouldn't imagine ever starting a drug addiction... but I guess I haven't been there yet.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

It's about gun rights.

The military tries to get people on anti-depressants, that way when you get out, the VA can take your gun rights.

Thats interesting... I have

Thats interesting... I have to keep an eye out for this

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Bump cause there has got to

Bump cause there has got to be more of you out there....

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

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"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

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"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

If you wish

send me an email w/ a contact phone and I will call.

Won't discuss such things here.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

it is best to remove your email address.

you can write to gmason08 by clicking on the name. that will take you to contact info.
peace.

Ah... I didn't know this.

Ah... I didn't know this. Thanks. Already sent the email though.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Agreed

please do that ASAP

No longer need the info and it does not belong up in a public forum.

Thanks HVACTech

Good/quick call

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

done

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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

You and I have a similar background...

"But right now I cannot morally justify serving when I know the truth."

Yes you can sir. You don't know everything (nor do I), and you can't change the policy maker’s agenda. However, you can change the moral and lives of the soldiers you are about to lead. Many of them are just as aware of the flaws of the policy makers, regardless, we are all the end users and we are needed on the front lines just as much as those who choose a different path to defend liberty. Obey your orders sir; be courageous and strong in your leadership. A military engineer is a fantastic way to be the change that is needed. Do it well sir.

"I am hoping I could get some advice on how you dealt with these issues in your service and in hindsight if you have any recommendations for me. This is constantly on my mind and I cannot find any peace with the issue."

I served in a different war, but the agenda is always the same. Protect those soldiers that you are about to lead without a flinch. Be a good example; know the constitution inside and out and why it's worth defending. Be honest and loyal. Understand the downward spiral from our tradition (original intent - Jefferson/Madison) to the big state Keynesian fueled crony socialistic empire. Again, officers/enlisted that are this aware already exist in droves and more are needed.

Don’t forget the support Dr. Paul gets from service members and why. Do excellent work defending, preserving, and maintaining our tradition and follow all lawful orders. You have a rare opportunity; use your awareness to your advantage. Keep your mouth shut when needed, say what needs to be said when appropriate. Serve well sir, hoah!

That something I havent though about before.

"Again, officers/enlisted that are this aware already exist in droves and more are needed."

Thats a good point. Just like were trying to get liberty minded people in at the smallest level, why not take over the military with the same.

"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

We are taking it over, and we will continue to do so...

...I'm still involved, I know

This is The Battle of Cannae once again, only this time its in the mind, the heart and soul. The policy makers have the cards, we have the truth.

Do well sir, defend the constitution, take good care of your troops.

Hoah!

As a former warrant officer who

"worked" his way up through the ranks...I would recommend that you continue your obligation but do so in a meaningful way. The people need a young Lt. like you to bring morals to your troops. Keep them safe. Teach them. You are now a leader of young men. Do what you know is right by them and stay away from the "dipsh*ts" who profess to be brave and bloodthirsty. (They are the ones who will lead from the rear). You would do well to be like Ron Paul and advance his ideas!

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
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You are carrying a heavy load. I cannot

imagine what stress this entails. I'm bumping, hoping your post will catch the eyes of others in a similar situation, or those with real experience to share.

By now I think you know that the essence of living a moral life is, where humanly possible, to cause no harm (the nonaggression principle) and to share in the positive improvement of life for all other peaceful humans. My very best wishes for you in whatever peace/liberty path you choose.