Depressing and discouraging
Submitted by mdr5256 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:14Why hasn't Ron Paul won a single primary? Every night before a primary I hear about how much support he has so why doesn't it translate into enough votes for a win? Something in the campaign strategy needs to change and quick. Santorum's win is indeed beneficial to us in the sense that it shows it's an open race. But the clock is running out. It's now or never. We need to tailor our message into something the American people understand and care deeply about. We all know Dr. Paul is right. But we live in a bubble here at the Daily Paul. A bubble full of Ron Paul supporters. It skews our perception of how much support Ron Paul really has. We need to not become more mainstream, but tailor our message for a mainstream audience.
When Dr. Paul speaks about malinvestment, housing bubbles, interest rates, and other financial terms, my father who watches the debates has no clue what he's talking about. It goes right over his head. I'm sure that happens to thousands of other people all over America who don't read economics books as a hobby. I'm frustrated. I live in New Jersey so there's not much I can do from here. All I can do is donate the little amount of money I have and hope that it is used wisely.
Wasn't this post here earlier?
Whas up. Your headline isn't helping...
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This is why the campaign needs to change its media strategy
We need older voters and those who are asleep to the message of Liberty to wake up to our message.
Like it or not many of these people listen/watch Hannity, Rush, Beck and by boycotting these shows the campaign is only hurting itself by missing an opportunity to reach these audiences we need.
Instead the campaign should have Ron, Doug, or someone else from the campaign on these shows daily. Be prepared for their usual attacks and provide a friendly answer that gets the message of Liberty out and converts the listeners.
Its soooo obvious its frustrating!
I don't think it is that obvious.
Last night at my caucus in Colorado there were about 150 people there and about one third Ron Paul supporters. Many of the establishment people were 50 to 75 yrs old and the Ron Paul people were mostly 40 to 60. The youngest Ron Paul people were either brought by their parents, or we're at least there to vote for Ron, but not to volunteer to be precinct chairmen or to be delegates. So when people say that this is a revolution of the young, I just don't see it. I see people with children and grandchildren being the ones who donate, volunteer, go to meetings and who showed up last night to be delegates. We did take the house though, as almost every precincts delegates were elected as Ron Paul delegates. We even have a college in our town, but the "young people" are hard to get involved.
Your father
might be willing to listen to your explanation of the things that Ron Paul is talking about. The crowds at his gatherings seem to understand his message but he may not be intelligible to many without someone translating it for them.
Ron Paul isn't going to change his message to any large extent so it is up to his followers who do understand it to break it down into pieces that the ordinary American can understand. It is especially helpful if you know the person and can address their personal concerns and show them how Dr. Paul's policies will help the country and them.
If you are not that clear yourself just how these policies will help the country and your father maybe ask someone on the Daily Paul for specific advice on these subjects. A lot of this is up to each individual supporter since they are the ones who know the people they are dealing with.
Dr. Paul must talk in general principles and we have to apply them to personal situations. The more we do this the clearer the policies and their effects on the economy become and we gain in confidence that they will work.
I hope this helps.
"Where the Welfare State is on the march the Police State is not far behind."
Melchior Palyi Hungarian Economist
Believe me
My father knows everything about Ron Paul because I won't shut up about him. I was just pointing out that some older, blue collar people probably have no clue what he's talking about when he talks about bubbles, interest rates, and other financial terms.
Blue collar people are not
Blue collar people are not stupid. It's time you change your perceptions and stop using generalities. My hubby is blue collar, and a musician. I doubt if he has ever read a financial article deliberately in his life.
He is 64. But he understands what Ron Paul is talking about, and is able to translate that into coversation with coworkers.
I'm glad that you can't stop talking up Ron Paul. But, if you have an attitude that blue collar people are less informed than you, I can assure you that they will detect your attitude and be less willing to listen to you.
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I know what you mean.
A win doesn't look very likely at this point.
Alright...STONE ME! I could care less.
The talk of voter fraud and other things raise a few points;
- if there is voter fraud- prove it, don't just talk about it.
- no one has an accurate way of assessing who really voted for Ron Paul and someone with skill in knowing how to assess it should've been prepared this time around. But no one did so all we're left with is speculation.
Also, don't count on college students. They supposedly support Ron Paul but that doesn't translate into voting for Ron Paul. The same thing goes for military types- just because they donate to RP doesn't mean they voted for him.
Maybe some of you remember the mess that happened in 2008- Iowa, the phone lists of potential voters was "lost" so phone banking couldn't effectively happen. NH...some precinct "lost" the RP votes and Ron Paul said that a re-count, statewide, would cost something like $80,000 (or was it $34,000?)
Most people that support the other 3 candy-dates don't have enough brains in their heads to realise they're being deceived. They also probably think Amerika is "the greatest and freest nation" blah, blah, blah so when someone comes along and tells them- this country is in deep trouble and heading for worse they don't want to listen to it. Waking up is painful.
You're correct about the "bubble" of RP supporters.
I truly think I live in an area with idiots and brain-dead (one of my specialities) but that may very well be a portrait of America- just tell 'em who to vote for based on the one that says he's going to make a America great again as THE LIBERAL, LEFT-WING DEMOCRATS HAVE DESTROYED IT. Throw in a few comments about Israel and vaporizing Iran and you'll win!
So, as someone once said, "it's sooner than you think".
Take courage- never in my life did I ever expect to see so many people opposed to the Fed, war, and the police state. Now that the farce called the "Tea Party" is pretty well overwith the faithful can continue on with the message of liberty.
Now don't laugh too hard but a much more costly way of saving the country will require a lot more time and probably be much more effective. Get married, have kids (5 would be good) teach them about freedom and liberty, homeschool them. Become as frugal as you can (it's hard) and by the time you're a grandfather or grandmother you would've help create many children that will help save this place.
I only wonder what's going to happen after this November. Ron Paul will have retired from politics and there doesn't look like someone of his character will replace him. Rand is definitely out of the question. Johnson's a joke.
Lew Rockwell would probably not want to run...he'd be excellent too.
Maybe Tom Woods- he's perfect.
Cheer up!
Think how Santorum felt trailing Dr. Paul in delegates until yesterday. Now all those expectations of success but he isn't on the ballot in some states. A day in the sun means more sunshine.
Rest assured the extra daylight on his support of Specter, being removed from the Senate by the Tea Party, his wife's Titus violation of infidelity. (in religious leadership that may be something he forgives her for, but removes his ability to be in a place of moral leadership.)
And after Maine, he and Newt may both be trailing Dr. Paul.
Stop thinking the Republic is a democracy. Lincoln didn't win by majority. Clinton didn't win a majority. He could get second place all the way and if Newt, Ricky and Mittens split the rest as pluralities (projected!) ...then the majority is taken by either a coalition or the unbound delegates in the second round.
Guess what: it is not stealing a nomination if the same majority that caucused for Santorum or Newt or Romney elected a Ron Paul delegate. It is the nature of breaking the impasse of a plurality and getting to a majority... some delegates MUST change their vote.
Cheer up and look forward to Maine, Virginia and Texas. And God help Romney if Newt or Rick bail and all those Ron Paul loyal delegates are free to vote Ron Paul in the first round!!!!
He haven't won any states yet due to
Vote fraud and Media fraud. All proven by now, just research it now.
He will win states soon enough, Maine as one example, and the fraud hopefully will get exposed in time.
Keep fighting, even harder now !
Ron Paul must become President !
Does vote fraud only occur
Does vote fraud only occur when Paul gets low numbers, or do you apply it too when the other candidates get low numbers? I.e was there vote fraud against Romney in MN?
Thank you for some realistic
Thank you for some realistic people to come out in this thread. I haven't been coming to this site much because of the extreme side people have been taking.
We are battling with the classic human behavior, social influence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_influence
The media can represent a feeling of a large audience to humans. Consisting of long history, large amounts of case, many employees, and great exposure, there are many traits to the TV. Constantly, the media can reinforce social normalities and maintain the status quo.
When keeping off of Dr. Paul sites and influences, you can see that politics is still about trying to solve problems. Unfortunately, even discussing ways that the states can fix problems, reinforces the fact that government has a role to be a problems solver. No one talks about getting rid of all traffic laws, because most people agree they do make you feel safer. Then arguments break out on how traffic laws can be shaped to do a better job.
The entire movement is trying to break these influences but it's very tough without battling back with these same influences.
My personal guess, aka opinion, is that the movement needs to focus more on battling the fact that FEDERAL government is NOT ALLOWED to make these changes. Dr Paul does do some of these things, but I would love to hear more. I like powerful words like "Illegal" "Punishable". Also, the movement needs to continue to be about spreading the message and doing so in a group like fashion. I think we have fallen off of the movement, and sank into the politics of the situation. Battling racist comments, delegates, voter fraud, the establishment.
We should try things like to get friends together to explain in a more social like manner to individuals or other groups. I've been posting quotes of Thomas Jefferson to try and use other power influences to back up my points. Sadly, I don't think I ever got any responses on here to those quotes. :( Jefferson is a powerful figure and can be used to our advantage.
Trying to use social influence to battle against other influences will be a powerful thing.
I never expected some amazing turn around when learning and joining this movement. I found out about this through the spreading of the message so naturally I think this is a viable method to our success. We just need to continue down this path, president or not.
I tend to agree with you to some extent
I know that we call foul when ron paul doesn't get the votes. I do think we are a little overzealous with the cheating. However, I truly believe that Iowa was rigged a bit. The establishment was terrified of him winning to the point were they weren't even hiding it. The reality is there are a lot of sheeple out there. More than you think. they hide behind closed doors where only a TV blares 24 hours a day.
Two points
One: I noticed this yesterday and again just now. I tried to mod UP the original post and instead, IT WENT DOWN. You want conspiracy? There is one for you - the echo chamber is making it impossible to mod up anyone who doesn't go RAH RAH GO TEAM GO or doesn't scream VOTE FRAUD at the top of their lungs.
Two: To the post at hand - all campaigns have ups and downs and Ron's was never going to be a conventional one. I agree with you that an effort needs to be made to better direct the message to those demographics he has not done well in - older voters - as they are the ultimate arbiters of the process. It is well and great that RP has swayed many younger voters, but they are the future and not really the 'now'. They just do not turn out in numbers sufficient to make a difference at the polls. Some will say we are picking up a disproportionate share of delegates (vs our vote totals) and that will certainly help. But the best thing that can happen right now is to win Maine and then take the next three weeks (give or take) and target those older voters. Stop focusing on events at universities and go to some senior centers!
Ultimately though a lot of what happened in 07/08 and is happening now is not just about becoming POTUS. It is about trying to change the future directoin of the republican party (and independents and maybe some dems). We are trying to turn an aircraft carrier on a dime and its just not an easy thing to do. You sound fairly young - probably the best thing you can do is to get involved in the local party establishment and drag as many of your friends with you. NJ is a cesspool (as is NY) but change from within can happen.
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Consider this
While you are reading the post others elsewhere may be voting it down, then you click to vote it up and the refresh causes the net score to fall. No conspiracy, just a page refresh.
It's perfectly reasonable when you consider that the +/- count is not changing in real time.
I'm keeping your post in the "how to win" file
I have a huge confirmation for you. First, you are right that we need to reach people, we in the field, with Dr. Paul's message. It has to be explained: how they can benefit.
Here is an example. I called a prominent person in the educational system in Staples, MN. He said he heard of Paul but didn't know anything. Knowning he is very interested in health freedom I sent him both the standard videos but also health freedom material, including the link www.healthfreedom2012.com. Followed up twice with phone calls to make sure he got and reviewed the material. Here is what happened, as an email sent to me by R.P. of Staples, MN:
I was inspired enough by some of this information to attend my first political caucus in Staples and support Paul. He did well in Mn, even with a second place finish his numbers have climbed steadily.
He is now a committed RP man and is going to campaign for us, with a now-sent load of super-brochures.
Said R.P., with much gratitude,"I really never got involved in the political process before. But thanks to the information you sent, I understand now. I really haven't had a chance to investigate anything until you sent me this information."
People: do this with a few million people, and it's over: we win.
Now, the big revelation comes from what he found at the caucus in Staples, MN. It will explain precisely why we 'lost' the straw vote. Stay tuned. I will post this shortly.
thats a great individual example
and the proper way of doing it. You identified a potential supporter. You identified a key issue for them which RP would be their best choice and directed/gave them material to accentuate that. You did a follow up (ok, twice) and the guy ended up voting for RP.
You didn't lecture them. You didn't hound them. You did not oversell.
Good job!
Now if only we can find a way with the 'oh my left turn blinker is still on? for 10 miles? ' crowd!
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In fact, there is a great power: it's the power of follow-up
Combined with caring, enthusiasm, and love. I told a worker to send RS both emails and superbrochures. But a few days later I felt an urge to follow-up. They weren't sent at all. And this was a man whose interest was piqued. So, I rushed off the Health Freedom stuff plus ronpaulflix and some key YouTubes. He watched them and sent them about.
We need to give our DP'ers are Post called the Power of Follow-Up. There needs to be another post, "Americans are too shy." We have to call our friends. We have to ask them, "Have you heard of Ron Paul." This is the bravery of the real war we are in.
I can probably assure us all that had he gotten that packet of SuperBrochures and bumper sticker he may well have helped us even more, bring a friend or two:
Here was the Staples Caucus result:
35 voters, 24 Sant, 6 Grinch, 5 Paul plus O MR.
He told me, clearly, most of them had never attended the caucuses. There were two big blocks: Sacred Heart Catholics and a Pastor who brought his congregation. Morale:
We have to be brave enough to reach the Churches and give them literature, also speeches, about the only true Christian man on the block.
I feel the same way mdr5256
Ron Paul's economic plan is great but it's the way he puts it across to the people. He does a very bad job of it.
The number one problem in this country is jobs. Ron Paul has to mention jobs, jobs, jobs over and over again until he is blue in the face. He has to be the guy that's known as the jobs guy.
Instead, he'll say, don't you want liberty? Yay! Don't you want freedom? Yay! People don't want to hear that. They want to hear about J-O-B-S. The worst thing he says is that he's the champion of a sound monetary system, a gold standard as it is under the constitution. When people hear him say that, they go, whaaaa???
So how would YOU explain it Sean?
As a number of posters have said it is up to the supporters to individualise the message. Dr. Paul has his role and we have ours. Read Dr. K. Research's post here and that is how you do it. If all of us do it this way there is no stopping the wave.
I have read a lot of posts about how Dr. Paul can improve HIS delivery or telling him what he should say but really it is the supporters who have to break the message down into the applications that people need to hear about.
It's the People who will win this not just Dr. Paul. We have to break with the mindset that the government has to look after us or the leader has to do all the thinking and tell us what to do. This is exactly what Ron Paul is trying to break people out of.
"Where the Welfare State is on the march the Police State is not far behind."
Melchior Palyi Hungarian Economist
Unless the people wake up, we must be content
We have the earnest contentment of knowing we are on the right side of the argument. It does take constant labor to keep our spirits amidst the adversity of the age, but we wouldn't have it any other. If you are advocating true principles, than there should be a measure of joy attendant to your positions! Depression and discouragement? That belongs in the realm of those who live lies, not in the Ron Paul camp, whether a discontented winter, or after a success and breakthrough, Ron always wins!
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it
- Gandhi
They even acknowledged Ron Pauls massive delegate count...
on a national show saying ONLY RON PAUL HAS A MASSIVE number of delegates. to which one of the other cohosts said, O boy...in a fading depressed voice.
Please realize that a Paul place in these states
Is much more important than they are for Gingrich and Santorum. Paul can get delegates from any state; Gingrich and Santorum are cheated about 13% and 20% of all delegates respectively, thus they can only make up for the delegates they won't receive. Romney placing high is the only thing that sorely hurts our chances at nomination, and the 70% anti-Romney factor has played well with that.
Ron Paul won last night
Ron Paul has the most enthusiastic support as well as lots of numbers, and that will win him the nomination. Read Ron Paul's press release from today here: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/08/ron-paul-winning-the-b...
Ron Paul will end up winning Minnesota by having more delegates than anyone, including Santorum. So there's a win. He may also win several other states that have already voted here.
The reason he doesn't win these straw votes, like last nights', is because the older voters get ALL their news from mainstream media and you know how MSM portrays Paul.
Paul is doing great - I'm sure people saw that he is polling 2nd nationally.
Keep up the AWESOME work everyone! The Revolution is upon us. Ron Paul will be our next PRESIDENT!
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In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
Time to face the facts. What the GOP fears most is what America needs most.
Neither Santorum nor Gingrich can win the nomination for one simple reason. Neither of them can collect enough delegates to win.
Neither man can be the nominee because neither one was able to get on enough states' ballots to make a difference. (564 delegates that Newt can't win, and over 700 delegates Santorum can't win ).
The media and the GOP are praying to God that the American people continue to remain ignorant of this fact for as long as possible while they try to come up with a strategy that will bury Ron Paul before Romney is forced to face him on stage alone and the commentators are no longer able to marginalize Paul by giving all the questions to everyone but him.
Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are the only two candidates that made it on the ballot in every state. Romney will not beat Obama, he's too similar except he will raise taxes on anyone making 40k a year or less in favor of giving himself lower taxes. Independents are going to run to Obama if Romney is the alternative.
It is a two man race between Ron Paul and Romney for the nomination.
It is also a two man race between Ron Paul and Obama for the White House.
It's time Conservatives and people with any functioning brain cells in their heads started backing the only real candidate that will beat Obama and save America. And whether you like it or not, that candidate is Ron Paul.
The facts can't be twisted to point in any other direction. The delegates decide who gets the nomination and you can't get delegates if you aren't on the ballots. It doesn't matter how much money gets pumped into your campaign by special interest groups. The facts are the facts.
IMPORTANT FACTS:
Fact : Gingrich and Santorum cannot win the nomination no matter how much they get in " popular " votes.
Fact : Ron Paul will decimate Obama on his Foreign Policy stance alone. Add in his economic and defense policies (Policies that Obama ran on in 2008 and abandoned once he got in the White House so no one would be stupid enough to believe he's going to follow them in his second term) and you have an un-beatable candidate in the general election who the bulk of the American people will vote for when they finally get a chance to see the man unfiltered and unbiased by the media.
America is broke and the average American is tired of hearing about another war on the horizon and seeing more dead soldiers coming home in coffins for no reason...all the while the freedoms they are dying to " protect " are being stripped away from us by our own government...one by one.
Obama has ‘0’ chance of beating Paul and Washington knows it. The GOP knows it. The corporations that own Washington know it too so they instruct the media outlets they own to hide it from you.
But now you know. Gingrich and Santorum are mathematically incapable of winning the Nomination and Romney can't beat Obama in the general election.
Ron Paul is the only choice we have. It's just nice that, for once, he's the RIGHT choice and not just the " lesser of two evils ".
YES, DOUG WEAD FROM THE PAUL CAMPAIGN SAID THIS! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKpRctPHyc
IMPORTANT NOTE: WE NEED TO FUND PAUL UNTIL THE OTHERS ARE OUT
I don't see how Santorum or
I don't see how Santorum or Gingrich are completely eliminated just because they were not on two or three state ballots. If you have official numbers and a source. Post them. Otherwise, this is just hot air.
PS: If winning was an impossibility, why would debate moderators on CNN not bring this up?
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YES, DOUG WEAD FROM THE PAUL CAMPAIGN SAID THIS HERE IN THE VID
YES, DOUG WEAD FROM THE PAUL CAMPAIGN SAID THIS! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKpRctPHyc
Rick and Newt CAN'T BE NOMINEE! They need 564 delegates and they won't be able to get them. Call the Paul Campaign if you like, but Paul's spokesman said it here!
Just please STOP
You are hurting us posting this everywhere.
http://www.capitalfreepress.com/4580-gingrich-santorum-missi...
Current delegate allocation as of today:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates
There is plenty of delegate to be had by anyone in the race. If it was impossible, the news would be all over it. Just think for a minute.
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Ron Paul is the ONLY anti-war
Ron Paul is the ONLY anti-war candidate!
That should get him over 50% right there.
It is media bias and smears (newsletters) I believe, but also fraud like in Nevada.
welcome to the REPUBLICAN primary
Being anti-war isn't good for much in the REPUBLICAN primary at this time. Most of the minority of pro-war Americans is the GOP base. That's who is voting for the chickenhawks instead of RP.
This should not be news to anybody at this point.
What is needed IMO is a stronger, clearer vision of national defense under president Paul. Bringing the troops home is not a vision of national defense, just a vision of ending our empire overseas. I'm 100% in favor of that, but it doesn't communicate to the average Republican voter what the defense will look like. They need a picture painted.
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I am more depressed and
I am more depressed and discouraged towards the majority of Americans who did/do not vote for Ron Paul. I mean come on, do majority of American people are this naive? I came from a country where the government officials are brazenly corrupt. At least, they elected a new president a couple years ago and he began chasing those government officials who are guilty of wrongdoings. Currently, the previous president is under house arrest due to election rigging from previous election and corruptions. We ousted a dictator and a corrupt presidents through people power! We may be a third world country, but we fight for our rights! Come on America wake up!