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RP2012 Official Campaign Release: Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates - What REALLY Counts!

Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates

Campaign is well-positioned in delegate race

LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign released the following statement regarding the results of yesterday’s election results. See comments below from Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Manager John Tate.

“We are thrilled with the yesterday’s results. Our campaign to Restore America continues to gain ground, and we are poised to pick up even more delegates from Minnesota and Colorado adding to our delegates in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

“As people across the country view the results of yesterday’s contests, it is important to consider a few facts that have not been clearly reported. Not one single delegate was awarded yesterday, instead the caucuses in Minnesota and Colorado were the very first step in the delegate selection process. And there are still over 40 states left to go. The Ron Paul campaign plans to continue to vie for delegates nationwide.

“There are a few significant takeaways from yesterday’s contests to remember:

1) The Missouri primary means nothing. It was a non-binding beauty contest, and the contest that matters in the ‘show me’ state won’t take place for another month. The Ron Paul campaign is well positioned to win delegates in Missouri’s caucus a month from now.

2) As in Iowa where not 1 of the 28 delegates has been awarded yet, in Colorado and Nevada the Paul campaign will do very well in the state delegate counts. We will have good numbers among the actual delegates awarded, far exceeding our straw poll numbers.

3) In Minnesota where we have finished a solid second, we also have a strong majority of the state convention delegates, and the process to elect delegates has also just begun, the Paul campaign is well-organized to win the bulk of delegates there.

“We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.

“We may well win Minnesota, and do far better in Colorado than yesterday’s polls indicate.

“In the latest national poll from Reuters/Ipsos Poll, Ron Paul places a strong second with 21 percent, gaining ground on his main competitor nationally, Mitt Romney, whose support seems to be fading at 29 percent. Congressman Paul’s support has grown by 5 percentage points nationally since January, while Romney has seen a 30 percent decline in his support since January.

“This poll follows a January 30th Gallup Poll showing Dr. Paul within the margin of error of defeating Obama. Also, a January 16th CNN/ORC Poll showed Congressman Paul and Obama in a virtual tie in a general election showdown.

“Yesterday’s contests were significant, but not a decisive or a conclusive end to this race. Our campaign will keep pushing forward and continue to take our message of liberty all the way to the convention. This race after all is about delegates, not about beauty contests.”

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/08/ron-paul-winning-the-b...

UPDATE:

Graphics provided by the RP2012 Campaign team for a more added visual punch, at the end of the article:

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/08/straw-polls-vs-collect...

Straw Polls vs. Collecting Delegates

Last night was a good night for Ron Paul. But it was a better night than many might realize.

The desire to accumulate as many delegates as possible has long been the campaign’s primary focus. After all, this is how one becomes the nominee. But collecting delegates is not the same thing as winning the straw polls, which obviously make the headlines.

Ron Paul 2012 campaign chairman John Tate explains:

“We are thrilled with the yesterday’s results. Our campaign to Restore America continues to gain ground, and we are poised to pick up even more delegates from Minnesota and Colorado adding to our delegates in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

“As people across the country view the results of yesterday’s contests, it is important to consider a few facts that have not been clearly reported. Not one single delegate was awarded yesterday, instead the caucuses in Minnesota and Colorado were the very first step in the delegate selection process. And there are still over 40 states left to go. The Ron Paul campaign plans to continue to vie for delegates nationwide.”

Indeed. Below is a pie chart created by a supporter that shows how Paul’s straw poll performance measures against collecting delegates in particular Colorado precincts. You will notice in each example, the delegates selected exceed the straw poll results. To say the least:

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2012 presidential election strategy

2012 presidential election strategy

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

karl rove is on there right now , and they are talking about state by state synopsis of how obama and romney are going to do in each and which each one needs to win and how.

this is from may 9th 2012

folks I am sorry to say I dont think it is going to matter how many delegates Dr. Paul has at all.

With people like this behind the scenes talking up romney and obama paul will be scorned at the convention in Tampa.

I will donate to the next great big money bomb but I am adamant that they will not let paul have any influence at all.

I have noticed a trend on all of the pbs shows. They dont say Dr. Pauls name at all. Actually all lamestream media i have seen in this month of may they all ignore the fact that Paul is gaining much steam on the grassroots level.

p.s. may karl rove burn in hell

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

How many delegates

did Ron Paul win in Michigan and Arizona?

Not sure, new info out.

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Free includes debt-free!

I signed up

to be a delegate for my area. They told me I would be on a ballot for a delegate??? Don't have a clue as to what that means. I also don't know how the precincts work. I signed up as a township, lol, there is only one here.

I don't know where that ballot is voted??? Anyone tell me how this works?

I have the form to fill out for IN if anyone wants it. It is due no later than 12 noon Friday, the 10th.

mickey45

If you are in Indiana

Contact your local Indiana Ron Paul Meet ups and find out who your State Coordinators are. They will help you figure all of that out. Go for it!

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Info

Does anyone know any independent, non Ron Paul supporter source which verifies the very positive reports on the number of Ron Paul delegates elected?

There Is None

You are playing directly into their game. The media knows people are hungry for numbers, and will do what they always do, make some up. Don't fall into their trap. If you really must know, go see your local psychic and slip her a 50. Her answer will most likely end up being more accurate than the media's numbers.

I can save you $50 (please donate it to Ron Paul's campaign instead). It's impossible for anybody to know how many delegates each candidate will eventually get from the caucus states. Mostly because they haven't been picked yet. All we really know is that the candidate with the highest number of organized and dedicated supporters at each precinct is going to end up doing very well.

Let's say Mitt Romney has 50 votes in a particular precinct and of those 50, 47 held their nose and voted for him, 2 are brainwashed and believe he is the next messiah, and 1 is a business associate of his and stands to make millions from him. Ron Paul has 20 supporters and are willing to dedicate their time and efforts to help him win. This precinct chooses 13 delegates to their county convention. Of Romney's supporters, the 47 say no way to being a delegate, the millionaire says he would lose too much money to take time out to be one, and the 2 brainwashed agree. That leaves 11 more that the dedicated Ron Paul supporters are happy to take.

All we have to go on is the reports that are given from the different precincts by those that were there, and the fact that we know Ron Paul has more dedicated and informed supporters than the other candidates. Those reports are mostly very good, and even the bad ones are mostly better than what the popular vote would have us believe. Those reports can not be verified, but I believe them.

Thank you

for your honest answer. Another question: When is the earliest date that we will know this strategy is working? In other words, when will we know how many delegates have been elected for each candidate from the caucus states thus far?

...but Ron Paul fares the best against the incumbent.

Obama would defeat all of the four Republicans if the election were held today, but Ron Paul fares the best against the incumbent. Obama leads Paul, 44 percent to 40 percent, with 16 percent undecided.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/20-of-republicans-leaning-to-obama/

Just wait for the first

Just wait for the first Paul-Obama debate :D

Summit County precinct 1

adjacent to the slopes in snowy Breckenridge:

Straw Poll vote tally

Ron Paul 8 { 53% }

Mitt Romney 3

Newt Gingrich 3

Rick Santorum 1

2 Delegates : { Ron Paul 100% }

Just MAYBE...

It's a good thing that so many people are ignorant of the process. There might not be enough die-hard Paul supporters to win every straw vote, but there are certainly enough to hang around afterwards and be elected delegates.

The less primary/caucus voters that are aware of this, the better. This could be our greatest weapon. If I understand correctly, at a brokered convention all the delegates are free to vote for whomever they want in the first vote? We could actually win the nomination this way. In fact, I think it is the most plausible way to achieve it

I don't think that's accurate....

... it may take three votes before all delegates are unbound and able to vote for their preferred choice as opposed to the candidate to which they are bound. So, if the votes are close and the delegates aren't pushing the front runner candidate over the top, there will be a second and third round of voting. Dependent on which state you are from, some delegates are unbound after the first round of votes, others the second, but most after the third round.

So as delegates are being unbound, more and more votes should lean towards Dr. Paul, if most of the elected delegates are in fact Paul supporters. There's a link I want to post to the front page fro 4 years ago this is very informative. Take a look. The sound is quite low unfortunately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-BUmVM2Nw&feature=related

Hope this helps.

Not Exactly

You say most are unbound after the third round, but I think what you meant to say is that most of the remaining are unbound after the third round, there is a big difference. As far as I know, most are unbound after the first round and all are unbound after the third round. (??)

You say "if most of the elected delegates are in fact Paul supporters", but you are confusing two different things. I'm sure most of the bound delegates are actually supporters of the candidate they are bound to. When people talk about the hidden Ron Paul delegates, they are referring to the delegates from the caucus states. The idea is that quite a lot of these delegates are Ron Paul supporters, and that come the county/district and state conventions, these supporters will elect quite a few Ron Paul supporters as national delegates, if not the majority or all of them. The Ron Paul supporting national delegates are free to vote for Ron Paul in the first round.

At the national convention, if no candidate can get the 1144 delegate votes needed, then more and more delegates will be unbound, and not only will they be able to change their mind and support a different candidate, but many will have to, otherwise it's never going end. How many Ron Paul delegates do you think will change their mind and support a different candidate? It's more likely that delegates to the other candidates will end up changing their minds. Maybe you can see that this could very well end up being a very wild and drawn-out convention.

Again, these are two separate tactics, don't try to put them together, as it will only get very confusing.

Clarification on Bound Delegates.

You are correct that most are bound only for the initial vote, while a FEW others, such as those from New Jersey are bound for 3 votes.
Where your comment gets cloudy is implying those bound to Romney, for instance, are Romney supporters. There is no mechanism in place to specifically select delegates who are supporters of a given candidate for being bound to said candidate. To that end, if I am a Ron Paul supporter and become an elected National Convention Delegate for New Jersey and Romney wins our state. I am BOUND to vote for Romney at the convention. ( In my case, 3 passes as mentioned above.)If, however the convention IS brokered and did go to a 4th pass I would be released to vote for Ron Paul.
Obviously NJ delegates are a bad example, but the system is still set that way.
Let's look at South Carolina:
23 Delegates BOUND to Newt, 2 BOUND to Mitt.
While Ron Paul's popular vote totals here were not good, he could easily end up with supporters who are selected as delegates. Those folks' votes count for Newt and Mitt respectively for the first round, regardless of THEIR choice. After the first round, they are released. In South Carolina, as in all states, Ron Paul's people are diligent and determined and some quite likely are becoming delegates.
The non-binding states (Both primary and caucus) ARE the obvious target as they count from the initial vote, but those delegates from BOUND states are JUST as important, and if you live in a binding state, you should STILL be working to become a delegate. As long as Romney does not amass the required 1144 delegates prior to the convention, we can WIN this nomination.
Beow is a layout of EXACTLY where we are delegate-wise leading into Maine's final day.
http://carldbradley.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/deception-despa...

Carl Bradley
www.RetakeTheRepublic.com

Found a related link on another DP post

Deception, Despair and Delegates. The real story of primary season to date.

http://carldbradley.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/deception-despa...

And don't forget

Our President is now in 2nd place in the latest national poll, our numbers can only rise and as they do the election will be more and more difficult to steal through vote rigging. Now that our delegate count is soaring along with the polls the pincher effect will begin to make the establishment more and more uncomfortable. I have no doubt that the powers that be will stage violent acts in order to discredit us, I have seen them setting this up for a long time, referring to RP supporters in militant terms such as an "army" while constantly inferring that we are cult-like fanatics.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

What kind of process in the county convention and state one?

Anybody knows that? And how to win the conventions?

hmm

why not keep this plan "secret". why wake up the other supporters to also become serious about becoming delegates ?

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

no need

the other candidates don't actually inspire people to act in the way that Ron Paul does. None of their supporters could be described as "passionate" ...

We really are winning. But the process at the larger conventions still needs to be mastered.

http://www.amazon.com/Roberts-Rules-Order-Newly-Revised/dp/0...

I've thought about this here are my conclusions

Other candidates supporters are not likely to be paying attention to Ron Paul press releases, in fact they aren't likely to be paying attention at all IMHO.

If Ron Paul tries to keep the plan a "secret" then many of our supporters will give up and believe the media lie that the election in Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado, etc. is over and Ron Paul didn't win a single state so he has no chance of getting the nomination despite the fact that we are winning battles on the ground.

If our supporters who have become Precinct delegates in those states give up and don't show for their conventions the media lie will become a self fulfilling prophecy, the goal of this press release is to boost morale amongst our troops by telling them the truth that we are winning in Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, and Colorado despite what the straw polls indicate.

This also helps boost morale for those who have yet to vote, if our supporters believe Ron Paul is doing well and can win the nomination they are far more likely to show up, cast their ballots and try to become delegates.

That's my theory anyway I don't have any insider knowledge it is just common sense last cycle it was more of a "secret" and it worked against us because many of our people didn't realize how well we were doing and became disheartened. This hurt our delegate turnout at local conventions in 2008 which was crucial as the vote was extremely close in certain areas (at least it was in my district convention I believe we would have won if all or delegates had shown up).

sure...

Just don't know how else to get the word out to our people?

I don't thinkit matters

I don't thinkit matters either way. The other supporters of the other candidates have shown to be too apathetic to give a damn about becoming a delegate, so this really just works out better for us.

Exactly...

While it appears that some other candidates have more supporters overall at this time, I truly believe that we outnumber them all in dedicated, enthusiastic supporters.

Their people mostly don't care who wins the nomination as long as they beat Obama. Any of their supporters that are smart enough and dedicated enough to go on the internet, research the candidates and read the opposing candidates forums, already know this.

Their problem is how do they get more supporters like that? Could you imagine if they actually went on TV and told all their supporters to go on the internet and learn more about the process? They would actually lose most of them to Ron Paul instead.

It's only a matter of time for us to win. We know it, they know it, and they are going to do everything they can to stop it, but anything they do will eventually backfire and only give more fuel to our cause. Their days are numbered.

Delegates Explained

Wikipedia has an article on the Republican Presidential Primaries, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_p...

Please check it out! Scroll down to the table below the "Primary Schedule" heading. The table shows each primary or caucus and how many unbound and bound delegates are awarded from each state. What we are excelling at due to the devotion of those who believe in Dr. Paul's message of liberty and freedom, are the unbound delegates. I did a quick add up and counted 469 unbound delegates will be awarded! A nice chunk of 1144!

Unbound delegates do not have to vote for the winner of the straw poll! It is very important if you live in a state where unbound delegates are awarded to educate yourself and others on the process of delegate selection. In many states, you can even nominate yourself! Chances are if you want to be a delegate and understand the process you will get it!

If we get the majority of unbound delegates, as split up as the bound delegates may be. We should get the nomination! Spread the word!

The other candidates

The other candidates supporters are mostly fair-weather fans! We can do this; we have to believe in ourselves as much as we believe in this message!

If these people are right...

...I'll eat a lit flouresent light followed up by a bunch of nails.

Man, I sure do hope they're right. Man, I hope they're right.

if this works...

and Ron Paul gets the nomination, I will be the first to say I was wrong. If it doesn't work, I hope it's never repeated again. It all depends on the other candidates having stupid staff. I would never have imagined that Romney's people could be so damn stupid as to let Ron Paul's team outsmart them like this.

You're Not Understanding the System

This is not an optional strategy to discard if it doesn't work. This is the way the system works in caucus states.

It's also not a matter of us having some secret that the other campaigns don't know about. Of course they know about it. The problem for them is, do their supporters know about it, and do those supporters really care that much, and are they willing to do something about it.

25 free-thinking, well-educated, enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters are better than 50 mass-media-programmed Romney supporters who mostly don't even really like him, aren't that worried which Republican wins, and don't feel like spending much of their time to make sure he does.

That is the strength of Ron Paul's campaign. Sure it would be nice to have double our number and also win all the popular votes, but even if we could get 90% of the popular vote, if every single one of Paul's supporters left without getting any delegates elected, we would lose 100%.

This is why in caucus states, not only do your numbers matter, but their enthusiasm and willingness to work for the win, matters even more.

If it doesn't work this time, then we have to try even harder next time. If you want to make sure you win, there is no such option to not repeat it again next time.