The campaign says things are going their way, but it dont see how Ron Paul can get a large chunk of, for example, Colorado delegates when he only got 12% of the votes. Is this really goiing to translate to more delegates at the convention?
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only way to explain it.
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Know why... lighten your day
Delegates are not a party salaried position.
Each state vote is essentially just a straw vote that may bind the candidates to vote in the first round or more....
... or at the other extreme the state rules don't bind them at all. ie Iowa.
There is a very good reason for this. Anyone who crys about it (or the constitution) is by definition "unamerican". (See talk radio and tv hosts for examples)
It is assumed that each candidate has local people "supporting" him and there is "real" support....so they will stay and "run" for the delegate position.
But you know the media lazy american. They not only don't want the job, they don't want to stay for the delegate election process. (ironic: the media created this mindless beast but is about to be undone by them.)
Why is it necessary?
Is it fair if a majority of people live in the city that the rural areas are not represented?
A democracy would destroy representation by the people.
The delegate system is necessary to get true popular interests to the platform.
As a democracy is a disaster, that brings us to the other reason it is essential to have a delegate system:
If it takes a majority to win the nomination... think about how it is achieved when there are 4 candidates splitting the vote as currently polls show. e.g. Romney doesn't have more than a plurality in virtually all polls. If that holds how do they break the tie?
The delegates have to be able to change their vote.
So some states send them unbound. Some unbind them only if the vote goes more than one round...etc.
Philosophically, some states leave their delegates "unbound" for the first vote (Iowa) because it could empower their delegates to cut a deal for the state. If their votes will put a "Romney" over the top on the first round and prevent a second round upset... well, they get to name their price don't they.
Other states insist their delegates represent the interest of the majority for three rounds (e.g. Florida). And then they concede that the dead lock may be so extreme that they should be unbound for the good of the party. (Not to mention that if the state party Bosses do their job, they can "Direct" the negotiations for the delegate votes to the favor of the state.
Enter the Ron Paul delegates. Hope that lightens your day.
I will level with you from
I will level with you from Arkansas. There are NO, that is ZERO delegates that go to National unless they have already committed to whomever wins the state primary. Last time I was an RP delegate to state convention, but only Huckabee delegates could get picked to go to the national convention, because he won. That was that. So, unless you have ESP on who will win, PLUS you lie and say you are his delegate, there is no chance of going.
That doesn't hold water in all States
Who "picks" them in Arkansas? Party bosses? >..or a delegation vote of which you were a minority in 2007?
The campaign is right on this. Become a delegate and get to know the other RP delegates before the convention so you can coordinate the votes.
and know your Robert's Rules of Order...
Each area elects their
Each area elects their delegates to the state convention in AR. It is not done at the state convention. We were already elected by then.
True Cricket but....
if Ron Paul delegates can win the state convention (obviously you all did not) then Ron Paul convention winners can pick anyone they want, to go as delegates to the National Convention.
The trick is, you have to have enough delegates at that State Convention to win the Convention chair and the Convention parlimentarian that are YOUR people. If not, of course then you will lose the convention and thus Huckabee delegates would go.
You have to have a Parlimentarian and somebody willing to step in as State Convention Chair, and you need to know this far in advance of the actual state convention, you cannot just do a last minute draft of someone. You also need to know Roberts Rules of Order like the back of your hand and be prepared to use them from the minute the convention starts, or you will be done.
This is NOT rocket science people. The people who go to conventions are BIG BOYS, they are state senators and state representatives, and use Roberts Rules of Order on a daily basis. They know the rules in and out.
But if you know them, you can still win and even if your state was won by Santorum or whoever, when it comes down to it, if you can get your people to be National Delegates, even though they swear to vote for the winner, the national GOP rules state that NO delegate can be bound. therefore vote for Paul anyway and thats how you win.
true enough
...but the rule for being unbound doesn't apply to all. Historically they have gotten away with binding if the state leaves one delegate "unbound" as it meets the not "all" criteria. This is fact.
But State binding rules ARE different. Iowa doesn't bind in round one.... Florida holds it for three rounds.
Obviously they have to be unbound to break an impasse of a plurality.
It isn't like the delegates are "misrepresenting" their oath. They swear to bind by state law.. that's fine. This convention is going to round two... and then most become free.
Enter Ron Paul delegates.
Joe..this is not the way it
Joe..this is not the way it was. If it has changed, then fine. I was elected as a delegate to go to the state convention. It did not matter who I was a delegate for, when I was elected, but they knew I was for Ron. I mean I had to say who I was for, but they just needed delegates. For ALL I KNOW, I was the only RP delegate at the state convention, because ONLY delegates for Huck were called up. He won the primary, and that was all they cared about. (I actually forget now..but I am pretty sure there were none for whoever came in second). NO one had a chance to go to National unless their candidate won. Never a mention of any RP delegates...
Sounds like you need to get with the rules committee chairman
from your state without letting him know you are for Ron Paul. "I just want the bet person to defeat Brack Obama"
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It's a 2 part plan-b
To keep it simple, we can break it down like this
Plan-A: Ron Paul secures enough binding delegates (1445 or more) to "lock" the nomination in the first round of voting at the convention.
Plan-B:
1.) Pray none of the candidates secure enough binding delegates (fewer than 1445) to "lock" the nomination in the first round of voting at the convention. (Santorum win in MN and CO helped us with this - preventing a Romney win).
2.) Gather/Elect/Send 1500-1600 (or more) passionate die-hard RP delegates to the convention.
Round 1, some/many of these RP loyalists will be bound to one of our opponents.
But in Round 2, with more than 1445 loyal delegate votes, Ron Paul is the 2012 GOP nominee.
That's the short and curly scenario. Longer scenarios could go 3-4 rounds of voting. But the more delegates we send to the convention the less likely it is to go that far. We Win with delegates! The more we send, the merrier we will be when all is final.
It's the End of the Line for Ron Paul and his supporters
http://youtu.be/OmtlqB0x59Y
yup...
...that's my understanding as well.
FYI ALL THIS IS A NEW POSTER ONLY 3 WEEKS
Take note
I have a question....
What happens to the delegates pledged to a candidate when that candidate officially drops out of the race?
I'm thinking that they become unpledged, is that right?
I know candidates can "instruct" their pledged delegates to vote this way or that, but a candidate who's dropping out cannot actually bind his delegates to another candidate, can he?
What I'm thinking is this. Suppose Romney fails to gain delegates by the convention, but Romney and Santorum combined have 1144. Could Santorum drop and out and guarantee that all his pledged delegates would vote for Romney? I think not. I think if Santorum dropped, he could instruct his delegates to vote for Romney, but they would become unbound, correct? In which case they might not vote for Romney (if they are closet Paul supporters who got elected in IA or MN et al), but rather for Ron Paul.
If that's true, then it means that we don't have to worry about the three establishment candidates combining before the convention if one of them doesn't have 1144. We'd still have a hung convention on the first ballot, after which most of the pledged delegates are unbound, and could vote for Paul. Yes? Am I reading this right?
No
No, they can't force their delegates to vote for a given candidate. The delegate is bound to vote for THEM. After the first vote, they are able to vote for someone else.
Eric Hoffer
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Ok, thank you...
...but if the candidate to which the delegates are pledged drops out, does that mean that those delegates must STILL vote for the dropped-out candidate in the first round at the convention? Or, do they become unpledged when the candidate drops out, so that they can vote for whoever in the FIRST round at the convention?
Actually not that complicated
OLD PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE DELEGATES
When Santorum won the popular vote in Colorado, they asked those that voted for Santorum, do you want to be a delegate?, that means you have to go to the regional conventions and vote and the state conventions and vote and ultimately the GOP National Convention and you have to be sure you want to do that every time. THEY DON'T, so then they ask for volunteers and who voluteers, but the young eager Paul supporters. So even though Paul may not get the popular vote, he is crushing it on the delegate count.
I would give you a 99% chance that we have more delegates than Romney right now. If not more, right about even.
Its a bit like saying you won these free classes at MIT, and all you have to do is show up. If your 70 years old, you could care less about those classes and you dont want to take them. If your 21, you're reaction is when do I go!
Most of these states are not committed delegates, meaning that they can vote for anyone, even if they are suppose to vote for Santorum in Colorado.
Some states require the delegate to vote for the winner of the caucus, but the only threat they have is to kick you out of the party if you don't vote for the winner of the state. HA HA HA...thats not much of a threat. Your delegate vote is still good, who cares about getting kicked out later.
Great reply.
You have to remember that many of the older folks are BRAINWASHED not really Neocons. If there are youngsters there, getting involved in the party and you have been polite and respectful, they will stand aside. At least, they would last time.
It is true even for me. I have been through it once, got chewed up and spit out and I don't ever want to go through it again. I would and I will if it comes to it, but I am sure hoping for some younger, more energetic supporters to do it.
Whatever else I said a minute ago, the last word I want to get in is
LOVE!
I wish this were entirely true. I just got off the phone with a
26 year old, he asked "Why did we not have a primary, I was too busy to caucus and I am a young voter."
He did not show because it was a caucus.
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true but...
i am talking about the young Paulbots that show up in the first place.
I think if they were a Delegate and had the ability to go to the national convention, and believe me if you can go, the Paul campaign will pay for National Delegates food, drink, hotels and transportation, you would go.
I think the national convention is in July or early August, and so not to mess with school that it would be a much valuable experience than anything you could learn in college. BTW, most professors would give the a-ok to go, even at a GOP convention for the learning experience.
It's a complicated process.
It's a complicated process. Some delegates are pledged some are unpledged, some are hard, some are soft. While the "delegates awarded" counts usually show pledged delegates, our strategy is for Paul supporters to take all available delegate slots. If no one candidate has 1144 hard, pledged delegates at the national convention, then there will be a vote among delegates, after each round of voting, more and more delegates will be freed up (become unpledged) to vote for whichever candidate they want! Our job is not just to become pledged delegates for Paul, but to become delegates for ALL the candidates that we can, once freed up, we can then turn our support (vote) to Paul. It's a long shot, but NOT as long as most think, it's a numbers game, we have to fight to be the delegates and prevent non-Paul supporters from being delegates. It IS looking more and more possible all the time. Just be determined to be a delegate for any candidate, and don't worry about all the popular voting.
Maine is BIG
but it looks like the strategy is working.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmgvhuQclM7bdFJ...
Let's win Texas and California.
http://www.ronpaulvotecount.org/voting/voting%20affidavit.pdf
working?
How would you say it is working using that spreadsheet? All it does is confirm the fact that we are last in pledged delegates...
It doesn't highlight the fact that some of the other's delegates are US
OFFICIALLY 10 or so delegates away from
second place seems to confirm that.
Let's win Texas and California.
http://www.ronpaulvotecount.org/voting/voting%20affidavit.pdf
Thanks for the spreadsheet Ed
I have bookmarked it so I am hoping that it will continuously update. The media are all over the map so it is good to see these real totals.
I don't suppose you could get together with Michael Nystrom and develop a spreadsheet for the caucus States showing the results from each caucus to be entered by two or three activist witnesses from each caucus could you? This could be coordinated with other RP communities like the Ron Paul Forums and Revpac and would give everyone a picture in real time of the true totals from every caucus. Then if there were any concerns about the votes there would be hard evidence to back it up rather than the merely anecdotal evidence we have at the moment.
To organise it would simply be a matter of registering the activists for each caucus who will be known and vetted in their own State. They could personally enter their vote count from their laptop with a password protected spreadsheet right after the caucus closed.
I am just a 71 year old geezer from Scotland but this idea seems worthwhile to me so I am putting it out there and hoping it will be picked up by some young(er) go-getter like yourself Ed who can run with it and make it happen.
Thanks again for the spreadsheet on the votes and delegates it is really excellent!
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Let's win Texas and California.
http://www.ronpaulvotecount.org/voting/voting%20affidavit.pdf