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Salon.com: The Screwed Gen-Y becoming Libertarian, NOT Liberal!

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Monday, Feb 6, 2012 | Salon.com

The Screwed Generation: Libertarian, NOT Liberal

Ron Paul's popularity has doubled in the past four years for one simple reason

By A.J. Dellinger

There is an old adage that says, “If you’re young and conservative you have no heart, if you’re old and liberal you have no brain.” The idea is that young people tend to make decisions more on idealistic views or out of passionate attempts at charity and altruism. While there is some truth to that for Generation Y (meaning people born in the ’80s and ’90s), the results are manifesting themselves in a totally different way.

We are the generation that continues to pay into Social Security with every paycheck but suspects we may never see the benefits of it. We are the recipients of degrees that don’t mean much from educational institutions that teach less and cost more. We are the casualties of wars that have gone on for over half of the lifetime of 2012′s first-time voters. In short, we are the screwed generation. The decisions of those before us has left us with an uncertain future and little opportunity to fix things through traditional means.

The ever-present skepticism of youth is even greater within the collective consciousness of Generation Y. And how could it not be? With our first real chance to make a splash in the world, we got behind Barack Obama in overwhelming numbers. He was a candidate who promised progress in every issue that the under-30 crowd found to be important: end the wars, defend gay rights and provide universal healthcare to the American people. While he’s made some steps forward, it’s been slow moving. Meanwhile, the House and Senate have deliberated on bills that would censor our voices on the Internet, a medium on which my generation relies heavily for communication and pretty much everything else. Just as we organized online to support Obama in 2008, we organized the protests against legislation like SOPA and PIPA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement uses the Internet to broadcast its events and actions...

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Author tries to add his own progressive window dressing.

He is right on about the younger generation being more libertarian, his bit about them supporting more government programs in overwhelming numbers is a serious piece of projection and wishful thinking on his part.

No, it's not wishful thinking at all...

I posted this link here yesterday. If you are part of the younger generation, you would fall into the 20%. Take a look but, prepare yourself for a big shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=VxHfYNTrnic

Those are students

College students are idiots, just wait till they start earning a paycheck and paying taxes.

You shouldn't be able to vote until you have paid a sum cumulative amount in taxes.

JMO.

Sounds a little fishy

The universal health care point almost makes it sound like an article to upset republicans. There are so many psyops running against Dr. Paul in the media, I suspect this may be another twist.

The comments on Salon are just so bad, so self serving, it breaks my heart that we have come to this place.

Right, someone tell the author that universal health care is

socialism. SO if that's what Gen Y wants, they're still addicted to the myth that Big Gov't is capable of providing sustainable solutions.

Who knows, this article could either be genuinely misguided or a deliberate attempt to upset/befuddle real libertarians.

Did you know Rupert Murdoch was (or still is) on the board of trustees at the Cato Institute?

I think it's genuinely

I think it's genuinely misguided. I'm instinctively for universal healthcare, to me that simply means: everyone has access to the care they need when they need it, no more, no less. When people are ill I think it's wrong to saddle them with a huge bill that ruins the rest of their life. We can do better. In that respect everybody is for universal health care, that's basic empathy we all have.

I also think health care works better if people pool money together to pay for it. If you don't get sick, you've lost some money, but if you do happen to need that expensive surgery you're glad you did. So far this sounds like your typical liberal argument, right?

But getting the government involved is something else. Does that really work? The idea is the same, pool money just in case, but why do it through taxes? If people pay tax for their health care but their local hospital is still understaffed and undersuplied... maybe they would've liked the possibility to just give that money to their local hospital. Bottom up instead of top down where it first has to pay for administrators on a federal level, then state level, local level and finally maybe reaches your hospital. Unless someone in the chain decides different.

The only universal about that is that everybody gets paid, but nothing really happens in return. In my country we've had real universal healthcare (paid by tax) and a hybrid public/private system a lot like Obamacare. The first one worked, but got way too expensive. The second was even more expensive with even worse service. Obamacare is not 'like' socialized healthcare, it's worse because now on top of all the administrators, insurance companies now get a cut too before finally maybe it trickles down into actual care.

And that's when libertarian arguments start to make a whole lot of sense. Instead of 100 euros a month to that system, why don't I just subscribe to my local hospital: pay them 10 each month for access if I need it and peace of mind if I don't. Or let it be more if they need, at least I know that it gives my neighbors the care they need. I bet you get more effective care at less cost and everybody can see where the money goes. That is a free market.

Liberals are afraid of the free market, because they associate that with big companies, big pharma, big banks. Libertarians know that it's actually them blocking the free market by nagisting on regulations that favor big business over true private initiative.

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thanks for sharing your valuable insights

and experiences. I hope the trend is that people will learn from failures of forced systems. Humans are naturally cooperative and self-organizing and supportive of each other if allowed to freely act.

You're welcome. I do believe

You're welcome.

I do believe that's the trend. Ron Paul is just one part of that.

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Wrong. Universal healthcare

Wrong.
Universal healthcare done through gvnmt is socialisam, otherwise it is just a human idea of ideal world. Just like the idea of freedom for all. for example, if your father or grandfather is ill you'll pay him the treatment whatever the cost is and despite the fact that he is or he is not paying any insurance, right? Now, just enlarge this attitude to all human beings. Got it? Well, that's the point of charity healthcare as teached by our great man, Ron Paul.

[Government Sponsored] Universal Healthcare

Generally speaking, when one uses the phrase "universal healthcare" he is referring to a gov't program under which every human being in the country is given healthcare. One goal of humanity should be providing for the medical needs of all, or "universal healthcare," it's just not a goal that can realistically be achieved thru gov't force. Seems like a disagreement on semantics.

"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend... on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign." - Mother Teresa

Agree. A human sociaty SHOULD

Agree. A human sociaty SHOULD take care on healthcare issue, BUT NOT THROUGH GVNMT. Local societies are and should be responsible for it . the way to do it is negotiable localy.

Not sure how "should" applies here

Do you mean there is some kind of moral imperative we ought to abide by, where we ought to take care of each other's physical needs? Do you limit it to medical care or do spiritual issues and even dwelling maintenance (i.e., bettering overall circumstances) apply? "Should" I watch a single mother's children for her so she can work?

I subscribe to the notion that God gives people gifts so they can help each other according to their gifts. Some are gifted in the healing arts, others are interior decorators, other simply smile at everyone. For us to express our gifts is natural and good. But to saddle people with expectations is not.

So I don't exhort anyone to care for the sick. If they want to, they will and they do. I know of plenty of people who were cured of cancer because macrobiotic "dieticians" ministered them back to health.

"Should" they have done that? Sure, if they wanted to. "Should" everyone go into the ghetto and plant flowers? If they want to. "Should" I go into a nursing home and listen to old people talk about their grandchildren. If I like. Ultimately, I think listening to our hearts is the only "should." Then everything else takes care of itself.

Cheers.

Huh, I see your point. Maybe

Huh, I see your point. Maybe I used the wrong wording due to the fact that English is not my first language. Anyhow, I fully agree with everything you said. As to further explain the idea, every community, in my opinion, should (sorry:)) have a healthcare facility (both conventional and alternative medicine/treatment included) that is available to ALL local population, funded and governed localy of course. Religious feelings and local church organization could only help in this matter.

Semantics

Yes.

If "universal health care" is cherished as an ideal just like "freedom," then I would think the kind of health care being referred to is self-preservation above all.

Because the desire for freedom is inborn and so is the survival instinct.

If we acted on that instinct we'd quit courting disease with disastrous lifestyle choices like smoking and eating hot dogs.

Charity also comes as an instinct to most people, but no one can afford the mainstream medicine served to us by the Govt-BigPharma-BigAgra complex. In bygone days, people picked herbs from the field for their ailing neighbors, cooked for them, and nursed them back to health. Nowadays you might go to jail for taking such liberties.

Bingo. That is why we should

Bingo. That is why we should alow to use ALL nature products to heal ourselves and our neighbours, and to establish a Nature-ruled-medicine and corespondent hospitals, all funded localy without any gvnt involvements and tax free, of course

That'd be nice

Some spas and retreats offer these kind of services, but you rarely hear of them being locally funded, and hardly anything is tax free anymore.

I don't think so. I was born

I don't think so. I was born in 60's ( X generation) and can confirm that most of my generation is moved toward healthcare for all approach.

another Leftist atttempt to

another Leftist atttempt to put all young people into the "progressive" basket of: gay marriage, baby killing, godlessness, state enforced mandatory "diversity" and supporting leeches from your own hard work.

sorry comrade, not all young people are like that.
marriage is between a man and a woman.
abortion is murder.
my rights come from Divinty.
the fruits of my labour are all mine to keep and use as i see fit.
property is sacred.

.ro

If you change Gen Y to Baby

If you change Gen Y to Baby Boomers, the stories would fit both. When I was 21, we had been at war more than half of my lifetime. The first person I knew who went to Nam, I was 11. He didn't even know where it was on the map, but we had been there already for quite a while.
When I was 21, my spouse then, was just returning home from the same war.
At that time, we faced rationed gasoline because of an oil embargo. Inflation was rampant, with wages not keeping up.
Meat was so expensive that it was a once a week luxury.
And then came the recessions, unemployment, higher medical care, higher education expenses, higher everything.
We faced knowing that we were paying into Social Security, with little hope that it wouldn't be looted before we retired. AND IT WAS LOOTED !
All the while, we protested for peace, which we accomplished for the most part, until the Bush's came to power.

So, can we please stop playing into these games that divide? I don't see any generational warfare, although news articles seem to be desperately trying to provoke it.
Wake up folks. In case you hadn't noticed, we are all in the same boat, and the only people who have come out of this wealthier are the same people who ripped off the boomers.

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Than explain why most of the

Than explain why most of the old ones are voting for neocons if all generations are the same.

You cannot of course, cause they are not the same. the article is, actualy, brilliant.

Why?

Because they are getting all their news from the traditional sources and as we all know by now, those sources are trying to suppress the liberty movement and any positive coverage of Ron Paul. Generation Y gets its news from social media and the internet, so they have bypassed the bias filter of the MSM.

Exactly. The problem is that

Exactly. The problem is that you cannot change it, unfortunately for olders. This is also main reason why gvnmt wont to put the control on social media.

SO NEGATIVE!

So many of these comments are so negative! Yes, there are so many problems! We all need to use the information we do have to enlighten those around us! Encourage the youth that are working hard & making sound choices. Teach the youth that do not understand(as for me, my son in college is a truth-seeker, & studies facts, also brought me out of my neo-con ways to Ron Paul's Constitutional truth). Yes things are not as they should be, so it would be up to us to help shed light on the truth! Let's smile & get to work! Look @ the youth @ the Ron Paul rallies! They are our future leaders also, the ones we want to lead the country! Rejoice in the ones that are and not the ones that are not! A lot of the older generations are voting for Romney..because they sit and listen to the news, and do not go beyond to research the truth like the youth! We can learn from them & they can learn from us! United we stand!=)

"While he’s made some steps forward, it’s been slow moving."

and author is still sucking obama's $#@%, just slowly and in the closet

Salon

Will not visit that trash site but me thinks the Salon and its followers would be a wee bit upset with this situation.

donvino

Why do you call Salon a trash

Why do you call Salon a trash site? I can recall more than a few well thought out pieces on that site, even ones that I don't necessarily agree with.

RP the 'Loony'

Why did he lump all young people together

Why did he lump all young people together like that? Saying we all voted for Obama... what a joke!!! That is not true, many of us younger-folks saw through his crap and knew McCain was no different.

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Universal health care??

Get the F out of here! The author surely fits the "young and dumb" moniker. Good intentions aren't good enough. Are the means you choose to employ effective? And what are the unexpected, unforeseeable consequences of those actions? How hard is it to ask a few extra questions?

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself." - Thomas Jefferson

Good Front Page stuff...But what about this TIMES article?

The Times Article is even more telling...and tells us what we are up against within our own party.

This should be front page....

http://www.dailypaul.com/212283/time-mag-what-is-a-conservative

I don't understand, do the moderators have something against me? Nothing I post makes it to Front Page stuff. Mmmmm

Treg

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