Can the Ron Paul supporters PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS?
Submitted by joeinmo on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:45We are very passionate supporters when it comes to Ron Paul and Liberty, but can we play with the big boys during crunch time?
Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.
In Nevada they had thousands of volunteers committed to go to the caucuses and vote for Paul, but only a tiny percentage showed up. Why? Was there too much info out there about how many people committed to go, and then people said to themselves that there was plenty and my vote wouldn't help? Could be
In 2008, we had a girl who was in our district that started with us from the very beginning at our meetup, and I mean within a month of Paul announcing he was running. Turns out she was a mole and turned on us at the district and state conventions, but she knew all our plans and strategies. She did so well, she is now a County Chair for the GOP and also a City Council member. Folks she lied - these people lie and you have to realize that. If you have a person in leadership and they did not donate to Ron Paul, I would question it. And you can find out by looking them up on the FEC site. Turns out she did not. The point here is be smart and realize that there are moles.
Dirty tricks by the state establishment - you bet they are going to play dirty tricks.
They are going to change caucus and convention sites, not publish them on the state GOP website, they won't answer calls etc. especially in smaller towns and rural areas where they know each other. They will try and disqualify you because you are a "known Libertarian" or donated to a Libertarian or a Democrat or supported a Non-Republican candidate
or any way to prove you are not a true Republican.
This is war and this is their club and you are trying to take it from them, they will do whatever they have to.
They are old and go to their Republican luncheons, and meets and clubs. Then they see a nose ringed guy with tats all over who is a Paul supporter and think - NO Way am I voting for Paul. Or they will be insulted that you show up to one meeting and push Paul on them, yet you never helped at functions or went to their events or helped in anyway. They DON'T trust you. So when a NeoCon (that they see every month) tells these people who are party members to vote for Romney or Gingrich, they trust and listen to them. You they do not. You will NOT sway these folks that are party regulars at conventions. These are the hard core of the hard core. Sure people who voted in the caucus (these are fair weather Republicans) they will listen to your passionate speech and they may change their mind, but party folk, the ones that go to County and State Conventions are going to look at you like your the devil. Don't even think you are going to get their vote. They will vote in mass on whatever their leader tells them to like zombies.
At the caucuses and the state conventions. YOUR ARE THE ENEMY, they want to crush you and demoralize you.
So when the caucus or convention starts out, you are in it to win it. You want the caucus, and state convention chair to be one of your own. You cannot be timid. When they say, "we already have a chair in mind", you tell them so do we and you vote and hopefully you have the numbers to win. The chair runs the caucus and conventions, they will allow certain things (within the rules) or not allow. They can make or break you from winning. So if you control the Chair, and lets say you want to be able to record the event, your chair will allow it, their chair won't.
Do NOT EVER TRUST that their chair will be honest - he or she is NOT - elect your own chair or maybe as a compromise a chair you can both maybe trust.
Now lets say you have the numbers and even the chair, if you don't know ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER like the back of your hand - YOU HAVE LOST. They will walk those rules around you in circles. THESE are the BIG BOYS, they are state senators and state Reps that deal in Roberts Rules of Order everyday they are in session. They know their stuff. But you are in college, you can crush them if you know your stuff too - you can think faster and more creative - but you have to learn Roberts Rules.
The most important thing, is THEY WILL show up. They know the usual number of people that show up, they know how many they need to win, and if they see a bunch of Paul people, they will call in reinforcements before the caucus or convention starts, so go in stealth until after the convention starts.
Social media, every say that Republicans suck, or you voted for Obama or a libertarian? They will find it and use it against you - it is the big brother and you people who use facebook etc. need to be careful what you say. Somebody on your facebook page could be one of them, and they will print off anything to get you disqualified. The Daily Paul was used against us in Missouri - they took things off of here that was against the Republican Party and read it in front of the district convention delegates. Now do you see why its important to elect the Chair and palimentarian?
#1 - You have TO SHOW UP, and you want 30 percent more than you actually need, saying they will go. In 2008 we had around 300 committed to going to our county convention/caucus - We ended up with about 150. This year we NEED 1000, so we need to have 1300 committed.
#2 Be prepared - have someone that can be Chair and parlimentarian known ahead of time. By the way, they will fight like dogs to not let your Parlimentarian win.
#3 Be an expert and Roberts Rules of Order
#4 Be Ruthless
#5 Volunteer to run the event - you need to do this ahead of time. You nose ring guys and tattoo people, don't bother they won't need YOUR help. ;-(
#6 We (Paul supporters) did a mock convention, so everyone knew what was going to happen and would be less than starry eyed when they attended these things.
You have to realize, if its the first time you ever attended one of these, you will be somewhat dazed.
If you manage to master all of the above, you might win one for Ron Paul and America.
There is much more to know, but don't be discouraged by this, be encouraged that you have more knowledge about the situation and how to win.
JoeinMo
Sorry for all the spelling errors, I am doing this on an iPad and it makes it hard proof read.
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I heard that there was an exceptionally low turn-out in Renoarea
Yea I think that this article was true because there was an exceptionally low turn-out in the Reno area and that's probably why! It sounds like they were changing things up over there so that it would add to the confusion! And the fact that Paul got more votes in 2008 than in 2012 just testifies to the fact!!!
So... yeah these bastards were up to something!
And smart move trying to get all the delegates the way that they have been! Good job!!!
Guys we must get those delegate spots! That is your mission in life!!!
Remember, don't ever think that a small group of thoughtful intellegent people can not change the world, for indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!!!
YES this is HUGE... These
YES this is HUGE... These chairmen aren't perfect, and if somebody in the back o fthe room moves to do something that is illegal, or against he county GOP constitution it may not be caught until long after the decision was made.
You need to get the bodies constituion and read it and know it like we do the federal constitution. Rules matter. They are going to play the rules against us, so we have to know the rules to know what they can and can't do, and see if we can use them against them.
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Thank you - Very valuable post
You nailed it. Thanks.
I said this in 08, and I was criticized for it, so I stopped posting here: EVERY WORD you post here and in other place on the internet WILL BE READ. It WILL be used against you. When you come to DP, do you think you are among friends? Yes, you are, but NEVER FORGET that you are also among those who are using this site as ammo for THEIR cause.
Remember:
They hate us for our passion and enthusiasm.
They think we are secret liberals out to destroy "their" party.
They think we are insane to support a libertarian.
They will fight like mad to preserve "their" party.
If you are going to take them on, please know that you will have to play the game by their rules in order to win.
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Just FYI
The FEC site isn't always accurate. They have my donations from 2008 and 2012 WAY under what I actually donated.
Thanks for the advice! I just
Thanks for the advice! I just bought Robert's Rules of Order!
"I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove."
What big boys?? More like pip-squeaks!
lol
Amen bro..
The small towns are controlled. Period.
The party regulars are elitist. Thats just a fact. They all line up behind whatever the party regulars tell them to line up behind. Ive seen it first hand. A state rep came to our meeting before the primary in 08(Im in MS) He gave a bullshit speech that we all needed to line up behind McCain. Thats technically illegal. Gee whiz.. I wonder what other things are done that are illegal, but OK.
If meetups or Paul supporters would join the local GOP's and show up in mass.. Paul supporters would realize how easy it would be to take them OVER. Start at the local level. Get your people there.
'It is up to you to spread this message.' Ron Paul
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I am going to add a few
I am going to add a few things here. In smaller towns it is nowhere near as complicated. There are the same OLD people, but they are much more tolerant because many of them are getting Alzheimer's or stuck on something and others give them a lot of leeway. At one of my meetings last time an old woman got up and talked about how Communism was coming here, and taking God out of our schools and all, and everyone politely listened to her 15 minute rant. You get in pretty good with all of them, if you are not fighting, but contributing. I told them I was for Ron, none of them were, but it was ok, because I volunteered for just about everything they were doing and went to each meeting. I gave them all copies of the constitution and stuff. I only went to about 4 meetings and worked on 3 things, and got elected as a delegate because they knew I wanted to be one. It meant squat, in AR, as it turned out, because only Huck delegates got to go to national, but they were all really nice to me, and each other.
Soo..in the smaller cities and towns there is not too much rules of robert used, and old people just sort of stumbled through everything. Easy peasy..
Daily Paul used against us?
"The Daily Paul was used against us in Missouri - they took things off of here that was against the Republican Party and read it in front of the district convention delegates."
What exactly was used or said?
Do you know?
That is really low
This is a public forum.
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
AnotherBenefit of Learning Robert's Rules and being a Qualified
Parlimentarian: I think we paid one $700 to attend and reside at our annual homeowner's association meeting. Nice chunk of change for a couple of hours!
That Works Both Ways
Can we put moles in their meetings as well. Didn't know you could look people up on the FED Election Site! There was one person I noticed in one of our meetups who was the only one who didn' t sit with us = we pulled our chairs around a circle. He sat on the couch and sent texts on his iphone. Seriously.
I've heard about people getting their credentials stolen.
Here is something I found about being a delegate for all of you people who have not had a primary yet.
what does that mean?
Ples explain
spoken like a political warrior
good stuff!
We also need to raise voter
We also need to raise voter awareness that he's got a good chance, and in the race still. People that I got to vote for Ron Paul were surprised to hear he was still in the race when I reminded them to go vote.
I think we should get Ron Paul on a talk show again, my pick is the Daily Show to energize the youth vote.
Fail, I tried to reply to
Fail, I tried to reply to joeinmo.
Please consider adding this link to your post.
I've been hooked on Robert's Rules of Order for about a week. You're absolutely correct. This is key.
http://www.dailypaul.com/142513/roberts-rules-video-library
For example, look what happened in Corpus Christi in 2008. The establishment did not follow the rules and allowed their delegates into the assembly even though those people were not actually present at the prior precinct conventions.
http://youtu.be/s-fARjv3tFk
It is also extremely important to know the States' GOP's Rules and be able to cite them along with the national GOP's rules.
In the beginning of the convention, they'll try to get the assembly to adopt their rules and their people. We should somehow "Move to Amend the rules" to make sure we can have ample debates. We need to "Move to postpone" all the speeches and party hoopla until AFTER official business is done because they will always try to rush things through and not want to debate anything. We need to learn how to "kill" or "postpone indefinitely" motions. We need to learn how to cancel prior actions by saying "I move to rescind" or how to appeal the chair's ruling by saying "I appeal from the decision of the chair..."
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YES this is HUGE... These
YES this is HUGE... These chairmen aren't perfect, and if somebody in the back o fthe room moves to do something that is illegal, or against he county GOP constitution it may not be caught until long after the decision was made.
You need to get the bodies constituion and read it and know it like we do the federal constitution. Rules matter. They are going to play the rules against us, so we have to know the rules to know what they can and can't do, and see if we can use them against them.
07 Daytona 675
Don't Tread on Me!
Terrific post and that is how
Terrific post and that is how you play the game to win!!! The mock caucuses are a great idea, (try to enact different scenarios) to get a feel for the real thing so you don't feel too intimidated when the during the actual caucus and conventions to do the necessary speaking.
found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6m4mEvfWsI&feature=related
This deserves a post
We all need to commit to learning Robert's Rules of Order
There's tons of posts on this subject here at the DP!
Here's a good one: http://www.dailypaul.com/142513/roberts-rules-video-library
I ask not for divine providence or more riches, but more wisdom with which to accept & use wisely the riches I received at birth in the form of the power to control & direct my mind to what ever ends I desire. www.RevolutionCarBadges.com/daily-paul
TB, great find
This is the kind of stuff we need if you can sit through it.
Very good post - which I appreciate
RP and I have a "friend" who will help me with the ropes... Good to have 'friends' in 'high places'. And although it makes no sense, that's all I'm going to say.
Susie 4 Liberty
We own the big boys.
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reality
thats how we take back the GOP from neocons and then take back the country ! precinct by precinct.
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Romney is Obama - DONT vote for more of the same!!
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Very good post. However, I
Very good post. However, I would say that this is no different than playing chess. The advantage you have (no offense whatsoever to those who support the other candidates) is Ron Paul supporters truly are more savvy and intelligent, as a general rule, no matter what their age. Granted, intelligence alone doesn't win chess games, especially when you are playing against experienced players, but if you keep playing and applying yourself given your inherent advantage, you will prevail.
Wear a suit if you have to. Cover up the tats and take off the ring. Be ruthless, yes. Play the game. Be cunning. It's fun. And in the end raw intelligence always wins.
In Europe they say...
In Europe they say, Europeans do well in Chess because they study Chess...
Americans do poorly because they play Chess!
so true! It took me ages to
so true! It took me ages to beat my cousin in chess in Poland! I felt so stupid, lol, until I started to think more about strategy, haha :P