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Can the Ron Paul supporters PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS?

We are very passionate supporters when it comes to Ron Paul and Liberty, but can we play with the big boys during crunch time?

Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.

In Nevada they had thousands of volunteers committed to go to the caucuses and vote for Paul, but only a tiny percentage showed up. Why? Was there too much info out there about how many people committed to go, and then people said to themselves that there was plenty and my vote wouldn't help? Could be

In 2008, we had a girl who was in our district that started with us from the very beginning at our meetup, and I mean within a month of Paul announcing he was running. Turns out she was a mole and turned on us at the district and state conventions, but she knew all our plans and strategies. She did so well, she is now a County Chair for the GOP and also a City Council member. Folks she lied - these people lie and you have to realize that. If you have a person in leadership and they did not donate to Ron Paul, I would question it. And you can find out by looking them up on the FEC site. Turns out she did not. The point here is be smart and realize that there are moles.

Dirty tricks by the state establishment - you bet they are going to play dirty tricks.

They are going to change caucus and convention sites, not publish them on the state GOP website, they won't answer calls etc. especially in smaller towns and rural areas where they know each other. They will try and disqualify you because you are a "known Libertarian" or donated to a Libertarian or a Democrat or supported a Non-Republican candidate
or any way to prove you are not a true Republican.
This is war and this is their club and you are trying to take it from them, they will do whatever they have to.

They are old and go to their Republican luncheons, and meets and clubs. Then they see a nose ringed guy with tats all over who is a Paul supporter and think - NO Way am I voting for Paul. Or they will be insulted that you show up to one meeting and push Paul on them, yet you never helped at functions or went to their events or helped in anyway. They DON'T trust you. So when a NeoCon (that they see every month) tells these people who are party members to vote for Romney or Gingrich, they trust and listen to them. You they do not. You will NOT sway these folks that are party regulars at conventions. These are the hard core of the hard core. Sure people who voted in the caucus (these are fair weather Republicans) they will listen to your passionate speech and they may change their mind, but party folk, the ones that go to County and State Conventions are going to look at you like your the devil. Don't even think you are going to get their vote. They will vote in mass on whatever their leader tells them to like zombies.

At the caucuses and the state conventions. YOUR ARE THE ENEMY, they want to crush you and demoralize you.

So when the caucus or convention starts out, you are in it to win it. You want the caucus, and state convention chair to be one of your own. You cannot be timid. When they say, "we already have a chair in mind", you tell them so do we and you vote and hopefully you have the numbers to win. The chair runs the caucus and conventions, they will allow certain things (within the rules) or not allow. They can make or break you from winning. So if you control the Chair, and lets say you want to be able to record the event, your chair will allow it, their chair won't.

Do NOT EVER TRUST that their chair will be honest - he or she is NOT - elect your own chair or maybe as a compromise a chair you can both maybe trust.

Now lets say you have the numbers and even the chair, if you don't know ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER like the back of your hand - YOU HAVE LOST. They will walk those rules around you in circles. THESE are the BIG BOYS, they are state senators and state Reps that deal in Roberts Rules of Order everyday they are in session. They know their stuff. But you are in college, you can crush them if you know your stuff too - you can think faster and more creative - but you have to learn Roberts Rules.

The most important thing, is THEY WILL show up. They know the usual number of people that show up, they know how many they need to win, and if they see a bunch of Paul people, they will call in reinforcements before the caucus or convention starts, so go in stealth until after the convention starts.

Social media, every say that Republicans suck, or you voted for Obama or a libertarian? They will find it and use it against you - it is the big brother and you people who use facebook etc. need to be careful what you say. Somebody on your facebook page could be one of them, and they will print off anything to get you disqualified. The Daily Paul was used against us in Missouri - they took things off of here that was against the Republican Party and read it in front of the district convention delegates. Now do you see why its important to elect the Chair and palimentarian?

#1 - You have TO SHOW UP, and you want 30 percent more than you actually need, saying they will go. In 2008 we had around 300 committed to going to our county convention/caucus - We ended up with about 150. This year we NEED 1000, so we need to have 1300 committed.

#2 Be prepared - have someone that can be Chair and parlimentarian known ahead of time. By the way, they will fight like dogs to not let your Parlimentarian win.

#3 Be an expert and Roberts Rules of Order

#4 Be Ruthless

#5 Volunteer to run the event - you need to do this ahead of time. You nose ring guys and tattoo people, don't bother they won't need YOUR help. ;-(

#6 We (Paul supporters) did a mock convention, so everyone knew what was going to happen and would be less than starry eyed when they attended these things.
You have to realize, if its the first time you ever attended one of these, you will be somewhat dazed.

If you manage to master all of the above, you might win one for Ron Paul and America.

There is much more to know, but don't be discouraged by this, be encouraged that you have more knowledge about the situation and how to win.

JoeinMo

Sorry for all the spelling errors, I am doing this on an iPad and it makes it hard proof read.

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We, not you or they

It is important embrace the Republican Party and be coming alongside fellow Republicans in this.

As JoeinMo mentioned, statements against the Republican Party will be used against you. As we join in the nomination of Ron Paul by the Republican Party, we are Republicans and are comrades of those working in the party and in particular those who have been long-time Paul supporters.

However, it is easy to place yourself outside. JoeinMo, in the above encouragement, wrote "they" and "their" several times.

Yes, there is a conflict between Paul supporters and supporters of other candidates, but that is all within the context of being within the party. If we are saying "you Republicans have to", then we have not joined the Party.

Yep, games like this caused me to run 3rd party ...

...in 2008[I just had to get on the ballot, be a factor(but not a threat), and get to say my piece on behalf of our guys at the debate]

Afterwards though; our STRONG Ron Paul conservative delegates (half the members of the Executive Committee at the county level) were all bounced at a convention,; as the incumbent State Senator and his cronies had brought in a parliamentarian from the OUTSIDE who maneuvered successfully to take away their right to a SECRET BALLOT...their precinct delegates ended up winning, since our guys were not trained/rehearsed and ready to counter properly.

This current non-active Executive Committee member still encourages those who are interested, and those who have simply fallen away to get back in the game as the State of Michigan is going to hell...under the leadership of RINO Republicans in the State Legislature with their transparent liberal/big government voting records[ http://seriousleadership.com/Legislative_Change.php ] - the chief RINO with that record is now the Senate Majority Leader from the district he and I ran in;.

Had that State Senator not gotten some 6,000 Democrats to crossover in the primary(to make it look like a landslide); R Al Bain might have won...this is the GAME, this is their system...very important!!!

More stories HERE: http://www.dailypaul.com/195925/lessons-learned-from-2007-08...

Is roberts rules sold on the campaign web site?

if not it should be. Also where do you buy me a parliamentarian.

Robert's rules

is right here:http://www.robertsrules.org/
It can also be downloaded in pdf format.

Pertaining to #3 of the

Pertaining to #3 of the list...
Several older Ron Paul supporters used Roberts Rules language to great effect during our precinct caucus last night. The chart below is very helpful in learning how to bring motions to the floor.
Robert's Rules Chart of Motions
Full Text - Robert's Rules
Robert's Rules for Dummies

yep

exactly, get after it

Bless your little heart

I know what my next week will be spent doing :)

TY! TY! TY! TY!

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Joe

When more than 80% of his support isn't showing up for caucuses/primaries, it's a hell of a bigger problem than the GOP's games.

Big Mike

I agree, and the only way to rid yourself of no-shows, is to drill in their heads that there is no second chance like a video game.

Do you actually want to have a great job or business, a house, a good life and a free America when you hit your 30's?

Better be at the caucus and vote

I could feel that last night

I could feel that last night at the caucus in my rural area.

A must read!

bumping

bump

I'm clearly out of my league. I hope others here are up for the challenge.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Nonsense.

You are an American patriot. Part of what makes you a Ron Paul supporter is your bravery. This stuff hurts all our brains, not just yours. Stop selling youself short and get busy. :-)

RON PAUL 2012

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By claiming there is no conspiracy, you prove to those who believe in the conspiracy that you are part of the conspiracy.

Excellent Post and ditto on the Robert's Rules admonishment.

Something very important about that - BUY THE BOOK. It's cheap, about 10-15 bucks at your local bookstore. I think there's an electronic version as well.

READ IT. Yes it is long. It isn't so bad once you get started. You'll also gain a new appreciation for why it is used.

RR does not exist to cheat people or scam people. It exists to PREVENT the very shenanigan's we've witnessed. But ALL participants have to KNOW RR. To whatever degree you do not, that is the amount of mayhem they will get away with.

Also, there are several "versions" of it, most of them very abridged. There is only ONE official Robert's Rules. Use THAT one. Look it up online if you aren't sure.

Most important, is to know precedence of motions, what is debateable or not, and what requires what level of second to be considered, and votes to pass.

The rest is really dealing with all the special circumstances that arise.

Also, the Parliamentarian should ideally be someone NOT EVEN AFFILIATED with the process. There is a professional association of parliamentarians. Spend the money and hire one. (unless you are a member of course)

Learn what "points of order" and "points of information" are. Use the parliamentarian to educate you on things you aren't sure about. The important thing is to SPEAK UP.

Caucuses and conventions are NOT for the timid.

You should be wanting to speak at EVERY occasion the floor is open, and asking questions of speakers every chance you get.

PARTICIPATION is what does the trick. (and "working the room" during break time of course)

High School (and some middle school) speech teams compete in "Student Congress" at tournaments. Go watch or better yet, judge some of these events some time. You will learn a heck of a lot.

I motion to nominate

JoeinMo for Chief of Staff!

It's really sad

that people won't get off their lazy asses and vote to save this country. What's that say about how they would vote to run the country?

Joe - you're the best!

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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know Peace." - Jimi Hendrix

Just a Bump

Great stuff!

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JOE Good Post Am in MO too

...but i don't know anyone as I am a Florida Architect/Developer turned farmer and have only been here two years. I see you are right about Lawrence county not posting where to go.

nice.

I know where Lawrence County is

I am in Greene - Can get you in touch with Ron Paul people there.

Start here if you don't find what you need let me know

http://www.meetup.com/SWMORonPaul/members/5768169/

This is for delegates/ when you are a delegate play dumb

Don't give anyone info, if they ask who you are voting for say something like Mitt Romney but ofcourse you won't, ONLY because they will try to stop you. It happened in 08. Be wise and don't get too close to anyone, be smart, don't say much. Try to stick with known Paul supporters but do not announce you are. Wear regular clothes and not Paul gear. The establishment GOP hates freedom and will try to stop you.

More GOP Dirty Tricks

....you asked for a bump. Hope that does it :)

Great first hand information. Everyone should read and add more from their experience.

Thanks.

fonta

I can guarantee with 99% probability

that a Dr Scott Magill from our county in Missouri probably lurks here. He started all kinds of false facts about Ron Paul and his supporters in 2008.

Lots of the info he used was right here from the Daily Paul.

Yeah I remember him

*$#*$(* I'll hold my tongue.

We must overwhelm

the County conventions. Bring twice as many people than needed.

Being well versed in Roberts Rules of Order, or a

Parliamentarian not only helps as you describe. Once you know the Rules and watch congress in action, you can clearly see how they play us off against each other with empty rhetoric they never intend to honor.
An example is the Congress having a democratic quorum prior to the 2010 elections. Honestly, every promise Obama made, the entire spectrum of the progressive agenda would be law right now had they really intended it to be. Don't believe me, look up " roll call vote", and get back to me,

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

Robert's Rules

Your emphasis to have a couple people who know the rules is well-taken. These folks need to be able to be quick thinking.

We had Roberts Rules Training on the basics

before our District Conventions and it helped