Slate: Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses...
Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 11:09And he's picking up delegates - almost secretly.
They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"
They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.
Continue here:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/02/08/ron_paul_secret...
I saw an article when I was
I saw an article when I was searching around about "Paul's fuzzy delegate math". It was an article by "The street"(never heard of em before). I didn't have time to read it(was 3 pages long), but it mentioned how John Tate's pie chart with all the delegates is 'incorrect' or at least 'questionable'. So apparently instead of being worried about us winning delegates, they're writing us off as lying about it. To some extent it seemed like they were saying we were overreacting to those 3 precincts and that it was an isolated event(not true btw).
anyways, I'll probably read it later, got some work to do.
Edit: Read it through. It seems like the average 'we're in denial' message. They seem to imply heavily that we're just stating isolated events, and that we didn't get anywhere near the majority in most precincts. They then go on to quote the Santorum campaign as someone that has something to say against it saying 'those numbers can't be right'. Really? The Santorum campaign itself would say that, they're in denial about everything. Maybe if the Romney camp said that, it would still have the tiniest bit of truth to it(and still be extremely suspect). Coming from the campaign that thinks they can win without getting the 1144(yes, our 'pseudo-super' delegates could sway it for him, but he'd still have to get a majority of them, and get 80% of the vote in most of the states across the board). Pretty much made it sound like the Paul campaign is lying to deceive people... Yeah right...
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It doesn't matter!
There is no "secret". The only "secret" is that Ron Paul has a following that will actually go through the process when the others don't. It's like saying the top rushing team in the NFL has a secret called "running the ball" so don't tell anyone! It's no secret. If they are great at running the ball it doesn't matter if the other team knows because they are ill-equipped to stop it.
The other candidates' supporters don't care that much about this stuff. They still believe everything the media says, obviously, or they wouldn't be supporting these yahoos. So, when the media puts up the straw poll placement order the sheeple shrug their shoulders and say "well, hmmm, sounds good enough to me". Then they are back to doing whatever is they do. Then, the media decides to talk about Ron Paul's "secret" and all they accomplish is educating even more Ron Paul followers to do the same thing, which is more dangerous to the establishment because they actually WILL do these things. The media almost has no strategy anymore. No matter what they do it backfires and benefits Paul. That's how the truth always prevails. It backs liars into a house of mirrors.
Remember, those who fight for freedom will always outlast those who fight for money because they always have more to lose.
These die hard Paul
These die hard Paul supporters must not live in Maine.
To those asking us to shut up.
Look, guys. They know about this. They've ALWAYS known about it. They wrote the RULES so they could do it THEMSELVES. We're not going to give up some advantage by mentioning it here.
The caucuses aren't just about voting. Just like elections, they're about ORGANIZING your people so they can USE their intelligence and dedication to win the conflict. (They're another model of a civil war, so you can hold it without having to kill people and break things, by convincing the losers that they've lost fair and square, and would just lose again if they decided to do it the violent way.)
What we have to do is make sure OUR PEOPLE all know about it. Because we have AN ARMY of supporters attending caucuses who have to know HOW TO FIGHT AND WIN.
We have hundreds of thousands of people all over the country. They're each getting one shot at affecting the outcome. They all need to know that it's important, not just to vote in the beauty contest, but to stick around, elect themselves and their most dedicated friends as delegates and alternates, and go on to change the party.
It's not just to get Ron on the ticket. How many times have you griped about how the "party machine" is running the party into the ground? How many times have you wished you could change the party's direction? THIS is how you DO it. This is how THEY did it. Now it's OUR turn.
The battle isn't to keep the other side from figuring out what they already know. It's to get the word out to our people so they are effective.
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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."
That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.
This
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Considerations for the 2012 U.S. Presidential Race from the Mind of a Political Independent-Use this tool to educate the unconverted and prove support for Dr. Paul among Independents.
This +1
There really is no substitute for knowing what the heck you're doing, and the other candidate's "supporters" clearly don't care enough to figure it out. Doom on them.
"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition." -- Thomas Jefferson
HuffPo finally wrote a positive article
But now our secret is out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ron-paul-caucus-str...
Shh! (brag)
As a native of Delta County, Colorado, I am delighted with the report that Delta awarded ALL 5 delegates to Ron Paul:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ron-paul-caucus-str...
That's my home town!!!
Me too Mary1....Go Delta, Colorado patriots!
I'm also from Delta, Colorado. Cedaredge class of 68! Excited to see that, too. Brushing up on Robert's Rules so I can go all the way to national this time. Hope to see you there, Mary1.
sa-rose
Small world!
LOL, Cedaredge class of 79 here. Good luck, onthearrow! I'm in Florida now, but you've got my total support. Go get 'em. Did you have Sandham for debate? :)
Cedaredge for Ron Paul...
Yeah, we initiated Mr. Sandham. I think he came to us in my junior year. Had him for speech class. He was tooo cool. I remember him telling us to listen to his college acquaintance and comedian Bill Cosby because he was going to be popular some day. Did you sign up to be a delegate? I live in San Antonio by the way. Can't wait for the campaigning in Texas to start.
sa-rose
I wish.
I didn't qualify; apparently I would have had to be a Republican for longer than six months to get to be a delegate in Florida. I only changed from Independent to Republican a few months ago. :( At least, that is what I was told.
I'm excited for you. I have several brothers and sisters in Texas (and their spouses) who can't wait to cast their vote for Paul, too.
I was on the speech team for four years with Sandham. He taught us a lot! Taught me enough, in fact, to compete at Brown University. Well, good luck to you. GO CEDAREDGE....
To all those saying "delete
To all those saying "delete this, we don't want the 'enemy' to see it",do you think all the other posts on delegates and strategy, and even Paul talking about going after it and Doug Wead saying "we're actually winning the precinct delegates" isn't already 'loud enough'? The thing is that makes us different, and thus, will help us win despite the others trying for delegates, is their apathy, and our lack of it. Almost no one wants to step up to become delegates, and many of the supporters of the other candidates aren't even eligible to do so, and have no knowledge of how to become one. This obviously isn't a '100% victory' in our favor, but it doesn't seem that they've changed anything to match our strategy.
It's not exactly a 'secret', it's blasted loud and clear from the Paul camp, the difference is, none of them are listening, and probably won't listen till its too late and we get too many delegates for them to just 'write us off'.
This being spread around here are Daily Paul does one of two things, 1. it re-encourages those who already know about the delegate system, assuring us it can work, and 2. helps educate and inform those that don't realize how we're winning. And yes, there are still a large amount of those around...I've seen quite a few people all over saying 'WE DON'T HAVE ANY DELEGATES, WE'VE LOST!" when looking at CNN's delegate counts, and forgetting that they aren't even decided for sure yet...
Brokered Convention
That's goal, guys. Think of AAALLL those bound delegates that only are bound for the *first round* to vote for Romney or whomever (as will be the case for Virginia, my home state). After that, they are free and clear to vote their conscience in round 2...so if it's not too late in your state, become a delegate! We can do this!
"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition." -- Thomas Jefferson
Consensus building process
I think we can say this when the topic comes up:
The delegate process is a consensus building process.
Unlike a primary or a preference poll, the delegate process takes into account strength of conviction, second choices, issues coalition building, information sharing, trust building and new information and issues.
A strong Ron Paul showing among delegates from a state can reasonably be assumed to be a reflection of the mood and strength of conviction of Republicans of the state.
So that article didnt say how they did it?
Ie. Paul lost several votes but still managed to capture all the related delegates. How did that occur?
It's all about the delegates
The caucuses, I believe, are for the most part elaborate straw polls. The real action comes after the vote, when the voting for the folks who want to be delegates happens. Most people who are not really committed to a candidate or cause don't want to take the trouble to get elected, go to the state convention, go to the national convention, etc etc., which is why RP supporters have won a lot of those positions.
Some states bind their delegates to vote for the person who got the most votes, but I don't believe most of the caucus states bind their delegates. That means if there were 5 delegate chairs open in one precinct, it doesn't matter how many votes each candidate got, it matters how the delegate wants to vote.
I'm from a primary state, so I don't know all the ins and outs. Some of you folks from caucus states may have more/better info.
Hope this helps!
"Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition." -- Thomas Jefferson
Even some primary states have unbound delegates
Find out the rules in your state. And even if the delegates are bound to the primary result on the first or second ballot, they are released at some point, and they can vote on platforms and party rules for the next four years.
Apparently
You don't have a clue how the delegate process works. Which leads me to believe you probably aren't very helpful in the process of your local GOP in regards to Ron Paul.
Your response is not helpful
Your response is not helpful in the process of helping the Ron Paul movement grow. Answer the damn question or don't comment you arrogant...
Hey! You're being mean!
The only dumb question is the one you don't ask. It's very off-putting to post a question, seeking a reasonable answer, and get shat on by the know-it-alls.
I don't know how the delegate process works either, but atrickpay asked for me; two responses were offensive, and I STILL don't know how the delegate process works.
Freedom is my Worship Word!
How?
Very simple, we know the politcal game. Your popular vote does not mean diddy squat in the primary nomination or presidential vote. Learn about delegates, then learn about the electorial college.
The assumption since inception has been the masses are not smart enough, nor do they understand. This being the case, only those dedicated enough to understand the real process, must be smart enough to understand the affairs of the government and the world.
Go back to your football if you don't have time, we have a job to do.
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When do the state delegates
When do the state delegates vote on who to send to the Florida convention? I looked up last election's results and couldn't find anything. Do they only vote if it appears a brokered convention will be required?
I posted this link yesterday
Great minds think alike. http://www.dailypaul.com/212460/shh-the-plan-is-going-forwar...
I worry
that even with a successful strategy of gathering delegates, what keeps the creeps at the GOP convention from changing the rules? They've made it clear that it's their party, and they can change rules if they want to, and have the votes. If not on the National level, then on the State level. I don't put anything past these people.
alan laney
The only protection we have
The only protection we have is over whelming numbers and follow through. The big lesson from the 2008 delegate wars in Missouri is that our delegates didn't show up and a tie against the machine is really a loss. We need to have a clear and evident majority to have a chance.
That's right
We need landslides of voters. Every time you introduce Paul you hae a potential new voter and maybe even a big fan.
Absolutely!
You can bet on it!
"They used to come get you and lock you up because you were insane, Now they come get you and lock you up because you are sane"
This is what CNN has
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/primaries.html
I am confused. Are these numbers incorrect?