MSM bashes Ron Paul for "911 Truther" PAC ties!
Submitted by OnwardUpward on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:04Mainstream media resumes their attack on Ron Paul by association with Gary Franchi and 911 Truth Movement.
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10358155-s...
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"As Libertarian Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul looks for a state he can win, some of his supporters have turned to a new theme: voting fraud.
A Super PAC supporting Paul has pledged to monitor the vote in all the remaining states, using an army of exit pollsters to fight what it calls results that are "outrageous, unacceptable and patently un-American." The group, called Revolution PAC, has spent half a million dollars supporting Paul with videos, webcasts, online ads, direct mail, billboards and radio ads in primary and caucus states."
Considering the rest of the pack are "War'ers"....
Do you really think a "truther" (i.e. 911 victims family members) are a bigger threat to our possible annihilation than these idiots who want to end some wars to start other ones. With troops wore out and burnt out after 10 years of guerilla warfare fighting a (counter-occupation) insurgency!?!
Give them 911 Press for Truth, or 911 family members in their own words. If Mindy Kleinberg, Lorie Van Auken, and Patty Cassazza, think 911 was orchestrated, then let those who doubt them realize who they are demonizing...
That's what I do, and after that person views those ladies words, they apologize to me for calling me names for defending them... Always reflect what the family members said when defending Paul or Gary, or anyone else who gets slandered. Ron's postion is the only one that does justice to the victims family members, and the military family members who were made "911 victims" because of it...
911 Victims Family Members.
free'wo, very sensible suggestion. The 911 v-f-m are the best candidates /spokemen to be put at the front of the truth movement. The other experts, e.g. pilots, engineers, lawyers, media consultants could lend help, provide relevant data to offer to a wider audience.
911 is a key issue, it led to so much more mischief, wars, and loss of lives, rights & resources. 1+
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re 911 Truthers.
a well written comment on this subject received 10+votes on another thread. I am copy-posting it here to share.
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9-11 "truthers" and Ron Paul. An observation.
Submitted by dkmeller on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 13:26.
Ron Paul is an obvious choice for GOP Presidential nomination whether he agrees with the "truthers" or not. He and most of his supporters terrorism as an unwanted byproduct of an imperialistic and destructive US government foreign policy. Dr. Paul has said many times that he does not subscribe to the "inside job" observations and theories of the 9-11 truth movement. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with those who do working with, and campaigning for, Ron Paul!
The people who advocate the 9-11 truth movement are, for the most part, rational and well informed people who argue their case intelligently and thoughtfully, just as do the people who subscribe to the "blowback" theory of 9-11. These perspectives are different in many ways, but they certainly don't contradict each other, and they both argue most strongly for a much more consistantly "humble" foreign policy for the DC regime!
Each viewpoint, in its way, calls for a pro-America-first defence policy, and end to American military and CIA mischief overseas, and far greater accountability and transparancy in both the formulation and implementation of Foreign policy, national defence, and counterterrorism intelligence operations.
Perhaps after President Paul works to repeal the "patriot Act" along with the horrible "defence authorization act" permitting miltiary arrests without trial or due process, implements a complete audit of the Fed, and closes Guantanamo and other military prisons, President Paul will sign an executive order lifting all national security classification and opening up all files, tapes, and memoranda pertinent to the appalling events of 9-11, and everybody will be on our way to finding out what can be discovered about the origins of and responsibility for the events of that horrible time. Indictment, prosecution, and conviction--in CIVILIAN courts--of the guilty can then come later.
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My comment on that msnbc thread was
That since 1 out of 7 Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job, then there are probably many truthers in ALL the campaigns.
Which makes it hardly a news item.
I object to the made up ad-homimen attack word "truther"
I also highly doubt many if any of those who believe the available evidence indicates that 9-11 may have been an inside job and that a new investigation is warranted would vote for Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, or Obama. I know I wouldn't.
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you'de be surprised
people are fucking stupid.
I saw that this morning
I yelled what a bunch of BS, my wife wanted to know what I was yelling about :-)
It's really funny, we dont't see headlines like; Mitt is funded by the 1% or Gingrich is funded by casino mob boss or Obama has to keep giving money back because his funds are from criminals. The MSM BS is making me sick! The MSM grasping at straws. Who really gives a rats ass who runs RP's PAC!
my husband calls that
computer Tourette's syndrome
and I Fing
question the media's association with $hit-eating sharks.
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Shall we talk about where MSNBC's money comes from? General Electric (which owns MSNBC), Jeffrey Immelt, chairman has a perch in the Obama White House, where he commandeers BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars for GE (GE is also above paying taxes too) research grants to build Fukishima style nuclear power plants in America, GE built the flawed Japanses power plant.
Obama is pulling clean coal plants off line for GE, leaving states with rolling blackouts so GE can charge more for electricity.
Now what were you saying about RevPac? Lying drive by media.
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The same government
Oh you mean the same government that warns about potential terrorists wearing blue jeans, or using a cell phone, or keeping their computer passwords private, or shopping at feed stores, or spending cash, or inviting people over to their homes, and so on...?
Welcome to BIZARRO WORLD!!!
No wonder Dr. Paul is pulling support from every part of the (so-called) "political spectrum" (which is really just a euphemism for "we're all unique individuals").
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The same government who in 1962 planned to stage terror attacks?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”
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Yep, that's the one
OK, many of the names have changed, but you get the idea...
Don't forget the Gulf of Tonkin. It was announced as a fraud right here in my home town paper by returning Navy men.
What he said!
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He's questioning the
He's questioning the government! Oh, the HORROR! He, and Ron Paul by extension, must be terrorists! Because we all know that our loving government would never lie to us --except about the Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, WMDs, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Iran contra, etc.
Yeah, those "truthers" sure are some dangerous nuts!
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Ron Paul brings people together, especially those who ....
question the status quo. This questioning is still allowed the last time I checked. Questioning the status quo is a responsibility of being an American. That is what this partial list of Ron Paul supporters have in common.
Gary Franchi
Alex Jones
Michael Rivero
Jesse Ventura
Charlie McGrath
Rick Santelli
Jeff Rense
George Noorey
Peter Schiff
Jim Rogers
Trump backed Romney.
Trump is a Birther. Should Romney tell Trump to go to hell? I don't want your support!
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actually the numbers seem to suggest that the only people
who have a prollem with truthers are the media and people who are worried that other people are listening to the media.
What amazes me
is the way they try to imply that knowing about 9/11 and wanting the truth to come out, is somehow "bad".
And that realizing the facts about the gov't being involved in a nazi-style tyranny effort, is somehow "bad".
Kinda reveals who they are working for, doesn't it?
their entire premise is wrong
They should answer the unanswered questions. Explain the inconsistencies. Don't just tell me I'm stupid for thinking there's more to the story.
There's major people in the media that know there's something wrong with the story but are too afraid or "not assigned to that topic" so they don't report on it (e.g. Fox News' Carl Cameron, hidden camera confession).
That interview last August with Richard Clarke, the head terrorism guy during 9/11, where he publicly stated he thought the CIA was running a sting operation on 9/11 warrants further investigation. CIA has blocked the group from releasing names of people involved and now their website secrecykills.com is offline-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEQKbYo5EC8
Sure, we've been explaining it for 10 years.
The opposition is coming from entrenched positions trying to provide cover for the criminals involved.
And this includes media and their owners.
There's a lot of money to be made destroying the US, and they want their share.
re-read what I posted
I'm saying the MEDIA should explain the inconsistencies instead of pretending they don't exist.
The coverup is by fear and confusion. It's not like people in the media have proof that 9/11 was an inside job, or that they sit around joking about murdering Americans. The truth is, they don't know what to believe and are scared for their jobs without having undeniable incontrovertible evidence.
No one is consciously destroying the US for the "Illuminati". People are motivated to do bad things because they think they are good...few people are outright evil.
I agree with much of your first 2 paragraphs.
I strongly disagree with your 3rd paragraph.
Frankly, I'm
F'ng elated that Gary Franchi IS a "9/11 Truther."
Any moron whom hypocritically works for the biggest military industrial complex contractor in the world the 51% MSDNC owning GE, to be talking venomously about 9/11Truth Movement as something sinister has been living looking out the smear windows of his posterior where the sun don't shine.
Funny, Fmr. CIA 'Mr.Srianna' Bob Baer is ON RECORD as having stated emphatically that 9/11 was an Inside Job. Gee, who should I believe? My own critically thinking mind that sees obvious hypocrisy of a govt that wastes MUCH MORE tax payer dollars on Monica Lewinski trial, or one where they spent 1/50 on an 'investigation' trying to understand how the biggest 'terrorist' attack on our soil had be be FORCED and shamed into proceeding at the tireless efforts of the surviving family members? How does a grown man sit there listen to actual NORAD tapes (Vanity Fair) where the radar operators are so perplexed as to how the actual event unfolding in NYC, PA, and DC could so mirror directly their military drill under way, on 9/11?
Really? OBL had the ability to infiltrate NORAD command to order stand down orders, from a cave in Afghanistan? Also OBL, a man who needs dialysis was surviving in a cave in Afghanistan?
Really? A roster of Islamist mercenaries founded in 1970's by Zbiegniew Brezezinksi via CIA called "The (Data)Base" or more commonly known as AlQaeda, has "nothing to do with CIA?"
This is the kind of brainwashed fairytale that a moron populace has been operating under which their own cognitive dissonance cannot fathom what Federal Reserve is or how it operates. The Sheeple have hard time wrapping their mind around that, I'm not concerned whether they'll get that almost exclusively, MOST wars throughout human history HAVE been false flagged into existence.
As the cliche goes, those who don't know/ignore/learn from history, are bound to repeat it.
Isn't that what we see play out, now, if the caucus and primary results are to be believed?
Bill Dedman is an opportunistic a-hole extraordinaire who wanted to kickstart Newsletter smear round 4, then Ben Swann beat him to the punch. In that seminal 2-part Swann expose on the newsletters, in the first part where the lady anchor's intro speaks about a 'MSDNC 'reporter' is looking more in-depth into the newsletters,' that "reporter" she is referring to is Bill Dedman.
Any moron who deem SPLC, a pedophile led organization (Morris Dees, its founder's pedophile charges exposed during his divorce proceedings are a matter of public court record), as some paragon of virtue, is a fraud, and an idiot. SPLC is nothing more than the liberal statists' version of modern day 'McCarthy List.'
Hey, they are commies, this is the only way they know to get back at the rest of the world for what they feel they had to endure. of course, that's not the only reason, but that's why their donor base moronically fuel a $200MILLION HQ for an institution named Southern POVERTY Law Center, as if any of that phrase makes any sense; it's like do they want the poor to be poor forever? Or, do they mean they provide legal services only to the poor? I don't get it, because what they do have NOTHING to do with the poor. Their only agenda is to label childishly those who they deem a threat to their lunatic ideology of murderous statism.
Glad that Sheriff Mack is suing them for slandering and libeling Oathkeepers and Mack himself as calling for violence against LEO and the military; Mark Potok was apparently stupid enough to call Richard Mack directly to apologize and admit they lied. LOL!!!
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"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul
Yes, this is great ... for Gary Franchi
This is exactly what he wanted - to siphon attention away from Ron Paul, away from the issues, onto himself, and his cause - 911 Truth. But he's using Ron to do it.
Fine for you to think what you want about 911, but now Ron Paul is going to have to answer for it. This is why Ron and the official campaign have treated Rev PAC like cryptonite since the beginning. If there is a single word that describes Franchi, it is FRINGE. Fine if you're not trying to win an election - let's enjoy a massive fringe fest. But if you're running to WIN, it is a different story.
So look at the position he puts Dr. Paul and the campaign in. If Ron doesn't sell out the truthers, he looks bad to the masses. If he throws the truthers under the bus, then look for them to turn on him with venom. Look what they did to Deb Medina. Even Alex turned on her. Will Alex turn on Dr. Paul if he gives the 'wrong' answer?
Time will tell. Maybe this will go away, or maybe it will turn into a media circus - likely the latter.
But Gary Franchi has single handedly put Ron into an unwinnable poistion. Great job, Rev PAC. One wonders if this wasn't cointelpro from the start.
Fact
Franchi has forced his version of 9-11 on to Ron. Ron's version and Gary's version are totally different no matter how much the truthers would like to say they are the same. They are not!,Two totally different theories and perceptions! I agree,They are going to screw it up and blow it again just like Medina. I wish they would take a break from it until we get Ron in there to have an honest investigation. It is very unproductive for both thoughts at this time.
"They used to come get you and lock you up because you were insane, Now they come get you and lock you up because you are sane"
WTF?
"Fine for you to think what you want about 911, but now Ron Paul is going to have to answer for it." - Yes, Allegory, Dr. Paul now has to "answer for" what I or Gary Franchi thinks.
Are you F'ng kidding me?
This is the crux of liberal demensia: they feel "entitled" to an explanation, by mere virtue of them bringing something up, or accusing someone of something, just because THEY said so, as if they were some undisputed paragon of virtue.
So I guess by your logic, Dr. Paul should always greet someone with "Hello, My Name is Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul. I'm the Champion of the Constitution. For all of my 12 terms in Congress, I've voted in 100% fealty to my Oath to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution. I've always championed the natural rights of ALL, most of all the ultimate minority: the individual. My intellectual heritage of my mentors have convinced me beyond the shadow of a doubt that the biggest threat to individual liberties is the Govt, the State, the Leviathan. I've never voted to raise taxes, never took gvt pension, and in my days as OB/GYN I've delivered over 4000 babies and NEVER performed one abortion. I walk the talk. Now, there is a little problem, you see an AIPAC hack named Jamie Kirchick who works for a Likudnik and real bigot Marty Peretz, the owner of The New Republic(an) saw fit to re-kindle a long debunked smear against me. But since MSM is demanding such, despite my 40+ yrs of living and practicing what I preach, I feel now compelled that since my enemies in the BigBiz, the WallSt.banksters, and the Military Industrial Complex in which MSDNC owning GE is the largest such cabal in the world, and because their mouthpieces are demanding as such, I feel now I must greet all my new supporters with a caveat: I'm almost perfect, except for my one time managerial oversight for having trusted the wrong people. Will you vote for me?"
"This is why Ron and the official campaign have treated Rev PAC like cryptonite since the beginning." - No, it's because of a little thing called LEGALESE, and by the way it's called a SuperPAC, which puts it directly under the auspices of FEC regulation and guidelines (UnConstitutional or not, Dr. Paul's campaign as well as other campaigns are abiding by it).
THAT, is why Dr. Paul and the RP2012 campaign are treating them with a bit of a distance, NOT like K-"ryptonite." Do you see Dr. Paul reaching out directly to EndorseLibertyPAC or Santa Rita SuperPAC? NO. That's just your assumption.
"If there is a single word that describes Franchi, it is FRINGE." - oh you mean like how everyone else in the La La Land describes Dr. Paul? I guess then, by proxy that too makes you "FRINGE." God forbid, some morons called you a name, or OMG! Ridiculed you for 40+ yrs even though you've always known that you were the one in the RIGHT.
Wow, really? Peer pressure from a nobody even within MSDNC is whom you feel compelled to succumb under the pressure of? Dude, please leave your R3VOLution card on the way out. Oh wait, there's no membership, and as an individual thinker who is not insecure enough to be threatened by what others think or view me, I have no need to 'police' you, as you're clearly attempting to. Never mind.
"Fine if you're not trying to win an election - let's enjoy a massive fringe fest." - Yes, because my single reply on DailyPaul will become viral and "the secret will be out!" OMG! It'll go viral! Because a viral commentary on a MSDNC article ALREADY PUBLISHED about an ALREADY existent SuperPAC run by a "9/11 Truther" whom Tom Woods apparently saw fit to associate with, without ANY problems, is akin to "not trying to win an election." Yeah, because last I checked my minor reply on a RP forum about a nobody at MSDNC blog, whom NOBODY reads, is what 'loses' an election. Nope, actually NOT showing up at the caucuses to vote, or NOT ensuring transparency of count and recount, or chain of custody of the ballots, isn't what 'loses' an election. It's my commentary alone!
LOL
Sure, I'll tend to your "logic," Allegory.
Got insecurity much?
I guess by your 'logic' we should never cite, mention Lew Rockwell either, since with NO EVIDENCE, bunch of loser Kochtopus Beltway Faketarian shills at Reason/CATO Julian Sanchez, Matt Welch, Nick Gillespie, and David Weigel who coordinated with the "liberal" Jamie Kirchick and F*cker Carlson to release the Newsletter Smear on midnight before NH Primary in 2008, unceremoniously saw fit to accuse Lew as the author, and further drive a wedge within the Libertarian/Voluntaryist movement at large, just as the movement was gaining momentum by sheer nature of principled integrity of Dr. Paul and his message, unseen in modern American history.
Allegory, no offense, don't know how you could've been a R3VOL for all these years, if you were so sensitive about being called "a fringe."
Get over it my friend. There is no numerical fact that you can change: unfortunate for you about 40% of initial RP2008 support came from Alex Jones listeners, JBS supporters, End the Fed-ers, and 9/11'Truthers.' Your uneasy feeling won't change history, fact, nor the reality that the Doc has been on Alex Jones show almost once every month, like clockwork for over 10yrs. Now does that mean he supports everyone of AJ's views? NO. And MOST here know how to discern. He goes on Hannity, too. Does that mean Dr. Paul supports bombing the hell out of Iran preemptively? No.
Please learn to discern and put things into perspective. For ALL the MSM & especially the rabid socialist/fascist contingent at MSDNC and their smears against the Doc, NOT ONE has stuck. WHY? Because Dr. Paul's actual record and actions completely defy and debunk their accusations.
In fact, if one had to argue, your subservient acquiescence to some nobody blogger who parades around as an "investigative journalist" trying to accuse the Doc as a '9/11Truther' via guilt-by-association, or make issue out of a no issue/dead issue that won't go anywhere, you're in fact fueling THAT nonsense by falling prey to it.
These are childish arguments made by a no-name imbecile who won't get any of his works read, if none of us ever keyword searched "ron paul" on google news on a daily basis.
If you actually think when the newsletter smears didn't go anywhere, nor AP's BS-'he took 1st class flights on taxpayers dime', nor now RollCall's 'he double billed for his flights,' and think this one's gonna catch wind? You my friend have not been paying any attention.
They go nowhere, because they're pure BS.
And, frankly the only ones who care are us the political junkies who scour the web for any news on Dr. Paul, and our 'enemies' whose idea of a 'real attack' is some nerdy blogfest blurbs, deluding that will actually matter in reality, especially when the nature of most of their arguments are baseless, without evidence, and the sheer volume of Dr.Paul's decades of principled record simply and easily debunk all that.
now if one is a partisan hack, no amount of facts matter anyway. and to the voting public at large, if they're clueless enough to buy what CNN/FakeNews/MSDNC propagate as informed news, they're hopeless to begin with; unless you directly engage them and turn them around, they'll always believe what they believe.
So Allegory, while I 'get' where your coming from, frankly you're worrying about nothing.
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It's great for Franchi and Ron Paul
We should not want this to go away. This is the most honest news MSN/ Yahoo had ever done on Ron Paul, and we should talk about it. These issues belong on the table.
If we do not stand for TRUTH and JUSTICE, what are we standing for?
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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