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Mike Gravel Requests One on One Conversation with Ron Paul
Submitted by jrich4rpaul on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 18:30
Whether or not you like Mike Gravel, an hour with each man being able to discuss every issue maturely and uninterrupted can not do any harm. » |
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Paul and Gravel
'Sure it could be downplayed as a "fringe fest" by the MSM but anyone who actually watched it would be blown away by an hour of honesty. Perhaps that's what they should call it, "Honesty Hour with Ron and Mike" '
This is a tough question, but Ron Paul has gotten where he is by being fearless, just saying what he thinks. This conversation would play to that. I bet a lot of Americans would be impressed by a conversation held above the usual level of political pablum. D's would be impressed to see him honestly responding to Gravel's/their concerns, and R's would get to see him promoting traditional conservative views. "Any exposure is good exposure." The whole concept of an honest conversation would also be terribly threatening to the soundbite establishment.
BTW I went on one of those websites that has you answer a list of questions which then tells you what candidates most align with your views. Ron Paul came in first place for me of course, but Mike Gravel came in second (somewhat distant, but still...). So I believe such a conversation would also be an opportunity to showcase the fair number of points they agree on.
I really feel that this is a
I really feel that this is a good idea, though perhaps not immediately. I don't agree entirely with Gravel, just as I don't agree entirely with Ron Paul, but I'd vote for either of them. If each man supported the other's campaign, it could help ensure we get a good president next January, no matter which party wins. At the very least it could draw in Democrats and Republicans both for nonpartisan support of whichever of the two men is most likely to succeed (admittedly, this is probably Dr. Paul). It also may open the possibility of something I know a lot of people (not everyone) would like, a bi-partisan ticket.
Gravel came in first over Ron Paul
Here's a link, see for yourself. Ron Paul refuses and it hurts Ron Paul, helps Mike Gravel. http://www.davidallgroup.com/2007/05/18/ron-paul-v-mike-grav...
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No, Paul beat Gravel in that challenge; I remember it
There's a YT vid of those 2 guys interviewing Ron Paul after Ron won that challenge -- and that was back in May. The difference is FAR bigger now; check the meetup.com stats.
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Not necessary
Gravel - a good man, but after several debates and talk show appearances that Paul has had, Paul is way beyond a sit down discussion with Gravel.
Paul and Gravel would discuss getting out of Iraq in the first minute. Then everything else would be boring.
Paul needs to be on the Leno/Letterman shows not talking with Gravel. I would not even watch it.
Go Ron Paul
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Anybody else having this issue?
When I try to view this video, I get a perpetual "loading" message. The video never actually plays. Since a few days ago, every youtube.com video on this site as well as the ones posted to lewrockwell.com will no longer play for me. However, when I go to youtube.com, any other video I click on works just fine. Only ones that have been posted to either this site or lewrockwell.com refuse to load.
Does anyone out there have an idea why this is happening? I am trying to find a technical solution before I start thinking up conspiracy theories... I've tried different browsers with the same result. I connect to the net via Charter cable. Any hints out there would be greatly appreciated.
- Hans
"Give me ambiguity, or give me something else..."
"Give me ambiguity, or give me something else..."
embedded vids often won't play for me
I always go to YT to play YT vids; they don't like being embedded, on my comp at least. Sometimes they will play as embedded, but very often not, so I just go to YT and buffer them there (I can't stream since my net speed is too low for that).
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Bad Idea of the Day
Paul needs to disassociate himself from the Gravel's of the world if his campaign hopes to remain viable. The media exposure simply isn't worth the categorization of Paul as a candidate of Gravel's tier. Paul and Huckabee are the two breakouts from the second tier, clawing desperately for a seat at the table. Gravel is a weight on Paul's ankle, just as the Truthers were a weight on his ankle until Paul did the right thing and disassociated himself from them.
The viability of Paul's campaign......?
For obvious reasons, the MSM will never accept RP as a First Tier candidate. The viability of his campaign, within this context, is a moot point. Getting his message out is paramount to the success of his candidacy. Do you sincerely believe that this exposure would negatively affect Ron Paul's support base? I do not. The recognition of First tier candidates is measured by the public's perception of their ability to prevail. It seems that the MSM also focuses upon a candidate's 'campaign war chest'. We need to donate all we can. We need to concentrate on getting state delegates to support our R 3VOL ution . Popular vote counts do not win elections.There's a little thing called the Electoral College that tends to get in the way. Soooo.... the more state delegates or potential state delegates that are exposed to Ron Paul's message the greater is the possibility that they will make an educated decision.
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Good for Mike Gravel - I hope it happens
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In the first Democratic debate, last Spring, Mike Gravel came out with guns blazing. He was a real hell-raiser and I liked him enormously. He is facing the same kind of marginalizing among the Democrats that Dr. Paul faces among the Republicans.
Mike is not CFR, which ranks high with me. (Neither is Kuchinich nor Huckabee, by the way). But if I had to pick a Democrat for the General Election it would be Mike, no doubt about it.
I doubt if this debate would ever happen, except maybe informally. That would be fine, so long as someone was able to post it up on YouTube. It would be watched by millions I bet, since both men are articulate, passionate and have the good of our Republic (it's not a Democracy, Mike!) at heart.
Maybe some enterprising entrepraneur/videographer could set it up at one of the events. Even an informal conversation would be good video. So here's hopin'.
I say..Go For It...Ron Paul vs..Gravel...Huckabee...etc.
I firmly believe that any venue, whether it be DEBATE OR CONVERSANT, WILL BE POSITIVE EXPOSURE FOR DR. RON PAUL. Paulites will not be swayed; we only stand to gain. Dr. Paul's message is contagious. I say "bring em on". I'll go one step further, publicly challenge them to participate. All who are foolish enough to accept will be demolished and exposed on the internet. This is a no lose situation. First tier..Second tier...Republican..Democrat...who cares...'Bring Em On'.
Go Ron Paul....2008
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Challenge Giuliani to a one on one conversation
I think Dr Paul should challenge Giuliani to a one on one conversation. It might get some press.
....on a different note.....has everyone seen the video with Rudy in drag? Has there ever been a pictire taken of a President at any point dressed like a woman? I don't see how anyone could overcome that.
Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until t
The only thing I worry about...
Is that as a result of this good idea, the 'top-tier' candidates simply copy it and effectively get rid of the rest of the field.
-Phil Hemingway III
Out of all the Democratic candidates...
I must say I do like Mike Gravel the most. In this vid he's pandering to Ron Paul supporters but you still must ask yourself why he's hanging out with them in the first place. In the Dem. debates he was the most sincere (IMO), even more than Kucinich. It really is such a shame that the most deserving candidates are given no chance at all. This would be a great idea though.
-Phil Hemingway III
Potentially Harmful
While I think this would be great for us to see, I don't think it would help Ron Paul win the nomination. The other republicans and the MSM would just rip him apart for this and as another poster said, it would cement the idea that he is a bottom tier candidate. He needs to challenge the so-called top tier candidates to a one-on-one like Gravel just did with Paul.
I disagree
Ron Paul has nothing to fear from the labellers. If Gravel has supporters, it would be a good chance to encourage them to take a Republican ballot in the primaries and vote for Dr. No.
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Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
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A Conversation
I have read the comments below before deciding to sign the petition. I honestly don't know much about Mike Gravel, but his request above looks honest and sincere. I checked out some of his videos on YouTube, and I hear truth coming out of the man's mouth.
I'm not so sure that Gravel would benefit more than Dr. Paul, as some suggest. I think the real beneficiaries would be the American people. Such a conversation would show that two members of opposite parties - gasp! - can actually be civil with one another and agree on some things, while respectfully disagreeing on others. It is unconventional, but they - we - have to get our message out in unconventional ways. Such a conversation - not a "debate" mind you - would be GREAT! I would love to watch it. People might see it and think, "Hey - why can't the actual debates on TV be more like this?"
Personally, I think Dr. Paul should have conversations like these not only with Gravel, but Kucinich and Chris Dodd as well. In the end, I think he would gain a lot of supporters. I don't think Dr. Paul is in danger of losing any supporters simply because his constitutional stance - which is so attractive to so many people - is unique among Republicans and Democrats.
Any time Ron Paul gets an extended period to speak intelligently - and not in such a way that he is riled up and under attack like in all of these Republican debates - I think he wins supporters and comes out ahead.
That is my reasoning behind signing the petition. I think we should also contact the campaign about it, too.
And if no network wants to host it (I can't imagine any that would) - I say find a nice venue, do it live, record it, and release it on THE INTERNET! This video alone got 20,000 views so far. Such a conversation would get ten times that figure simply because it is so unusual. It would also be a great time to showcase the power of the internet, and to explain why we don't get real news from the MSM and thus have to turn to the internet for truth.
This campaign is as much about education as it is about winning, so there is really nothing for anyone to lose.
Go Ron Paul!
Michael Nystrom
Who knows?
Ron Paul likely won't benefit much from this, but if this ends up taking away support from Camp Hillary and Camp Obama, then this conversation could well be the start of a firestorm burning through two parties instead of just the Republican Party.
Oh man, it would be great. The conversation helps build up Gravel. Ron Paul continues to do what he's been doing. Kicking primary butt and gaining momentum. Before you know it, the presidential election would pit Ron Paul v Gravel. And THAT'S when we turn on all of our cameras to begin a George Stephanapolis suicide watch.
When I dream, I dream big.
How 'bout Charlie Rose?
i suggest an hour w/ Ron Paul and Mike Gravel on Charlie Rose. anyone got an in?
re: Mike Gravel wants a one hour discussion with Ron Paul
Just for those keeping score:
The video has over 20,000 views in just 6 days!
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I signed the petition
I realize that Mike Gravel is not getting any traction (the same thing the MSM likes to say about Ron Paul) but I think that it would be a very good thing to raise these "debates" above the level of the short sound bites that we get on Fox and the like.
Gravel has little in Common with Paul other than foreign policy.
I can see it now.
Gravel: We need to pull out of Iraq. We can't do whatever we want around the world without consequence.
Paul: Agreed.
Gravel: So... How 'bout universal health care?
Paul: Well, that's redistribution of wealth, and whatever name you call it, it's really socialism, which is morally wrong and relies on bureaucracies which fall to corruption and never get their job done as well as a public directing it's own money. You see bureaucracies have no motivation to run well, even when lives hang in the balance, just look how the FBI ignored the reports of Saudi's flying planes but not learning to land them. And there is no consequence for their failure, they are the government, so the government can't punish them for failure, instead they put more money into the system which then gets wasted, and the people end up paying out more money which would have been spent wisely to a bureaucracy that will spend it without any forethought, look at the horrible job FEMA did despite the billions we poured into them, and once again there were lives in the balance.
You see Mike, our problem with health care is that we have to much government involvement already, as well as inflation which is seen directly reflected in medical prices. We need to deregulate the field and rely instead on private companies to provide consumers with information about what drugs are safe and allow people other than licensed doctors to provide medical care when the needs are simple. If someone needs a brain surgeon, they're not going to see the same person as they will if they have a cold, people can decide on their needs and save a lot of money by seeing who they decide to.
We also need to restore the doctor patient relationship, have the doctor and patient negotiate a price together instead of always relying on the insurance company or the government through Medicare, when you do that the doctor always charges the maximum and that becomes the norm, as such prices in general go up.
Gravel: Health care... err.. is a right? You don't care about poor people? I think?
The No Income Tax Economic BOOM....!
I think Gravel has to say he is for Universal Health care just to be a democrat. Its kind of like you must be Anti Illegal immigration to be a Republican -- McCain found that out.
So Gravel is no idiot. You can't get rid of the Income Tax on the one hand, and have Universal Health Care on the other.
ALso Gravel never said "debate" .... he wanted an intellectual discussion. I would love if for no other reason than to hear Ron and Gravel out on their ideas and how it will work.
Personally, I am shocked that neither of them says that when we get rid of the income tax, there will be a HUGE RUSH of AMERICAN manufactures MOVING back to the the USA to build and produce again. When you lower the cost of manufacturing by 45%, that more than kicks ass, that would really challenge China. China and the rest of the world has benefited more because we have PUSHED American firms OUT of this Country..... they were never encouraged to stay, .... with Corp and personal income tax at 45%, Union wages and tons of licences/regulations/lpermits/fees/Osha,.... it was enough to send them all to China or Mexico or Malaysia... Getting rid of the Income tax will be a BOON to the American Economy. Think the Reagan Tax cuts caused a Boon....that would pale in comparison to a BANG caused by abolishing the Income tax. Not only would wages rise, jobs everywhere.... but also new charities and hospitals would come from nowhere, from the goodness of the American People.
The benefits of a Federal Government 1% of the GDP, that would be amazing. That would spell the end of the Empire. But it would be a Boon to the world and the American people.
Not sure about corporate income tax
I know Ron Paul wants to eliminate the personal income tax, but not sure if he wants to eliminate the corporate income tax. Anyone here know that answer?
Bob W., Naples, FL
Bob W., Naples, FL
Yes, Abolish the Corp income tax
YES if we want to see "made in America" again that is. Union high wage lovers should all be behind that. They have seen the manufacturing fly away to other countries, it would be great to see them return.
To paraphrase old Ross Perot, I believe that if the income tax -personal and corporate- was abolished, there would be a SWOOOSH sound so fast and so quick of corporations returning to America to do business. Ross Perot warned us that if Clinton signs the NAFTA, there would be a Swoosh of businesses out of this country.
Abolishing the corporate income tax is a sure fire way to get them to return.
Corporate Persons
Does anyone know what Ron's stance on corporations being considered legal persons with constitutional rights is? I think the libertarian party has a plank that they want to amend the constitution to only apply to real human beings, but there's a lot of disagreement.
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I Don't Think So
Assuming Dr. Paul shares the same views on the income tax as Aaron Russo espoused in A:FTF, then Ron does not want to get rid of the corporate income tax, as that, unlike the personal income tax, is constitutional.
Ron Paul is against any tax
Ron Paul is against any tax that isn't necessary to run the federal government at the very small, constitutional level it's supposed to be at. The corporate income tax is not necessary for this. If Ron could do everything he wants to, the federal government would be small enough to fund entirely with tariffs.
I say bring it on! At the
I say bring it on! By the end of the discussion, we will have Gravel and his supporters on board. Ha Ha
Paul and Gravel
He didn't actually say "debate," he wanted to appear together to talk to Americans, right and left, about the state of the union. I think this would give Ron excellent exposure on the left and to the anti-war crowd in general.
Do it baby do it.
Sure it could be downplayed as a "fringe fest" by the MSM but anyone who actually watched it would be blown away by an hour of honesty. Perhaps that's what they should call it, "Honesty Hour with Ron and Mike"
We cannot be fearful of how it will be spun, they spin everything we do anyway. We must speak truth to power! We must speak truth to our fellow Americans! ...Just keep speaking the truth. It's contagious.
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