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Delegates: If you are required to state who you support

Rather than say Ron Paul, say you are planning on supporting the candidate that will.... and then list off what would be appropriate for your demographics, whether that be taxes, reducing the size of government or create a favorable environment for jobs, etc.

They pulled this on us during 2008 during the county convention. The chairman told my Ron Paul stealth supporter that he would not be required to state who he supported at the county convention.

His orders must have changed as he did the opposite. The only Ron Paul delegates we where able to get elected where the ones that said they supported McCain, the rest were all alternate delegates.



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hide your faces

Hide your faces from camera shots if you attend any event or caucus etc or rally. They are looking for rally goers. Don't donate to rp if they can easily find your name on donation info. Stop sharing your info. Be the hidden delegate. This is going to be fun regardless, but we still want the win.

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My caucus is coming up in March so if I want to be a delegate, how am I going to give a speech about Ron Paul to the cacus goers and then expect them to let me be a delegate?

I don't believe everyone has to talk about their candidate.

Here's a post that I've read recently that I think explains it well enough.

2cd one down by Monotaur.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?358681-Caucus-Ni...

Edit: this is why I think it's important to network with RP supporters in your area. You'll have to check the room to see what the best strategy is. If there are a lot of RP supporters, some of you can easily afford to speak out or keep quiet if you like, your choice. I'd probably keep quiet if there were alot.

If there are lesser numbers, it may be better to gauge those and maybe keep quiet if you have at least a few people.

In most cases, the less they know your true intentions or your identity period, the better.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

There is a saying I heard.....

"Fake it in till you make it".....Two could play that game..

"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."

These people have no honor, why should I tell them the truth!

LIE YOUR ASS OFF.

Sign a pledge stating you are an orthodox jew if you have to like our folks did in Nevada.

Dont feel bad about it either, dont bat an eye to these CROOKS. Lie and tell them you like anyone who likes WAR.

Lie now or your child may have to fight some day at the point of a gun.

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You have been posting here

You have been posting here too long to really mean what you just posted, I hope it was sarcasim. I am no better (or worse) than anyone else. But I will NOT knowingly lie. Not to my children, friends, or strangers. That being said, one can ALWAYS tell the truth and still gain the intended result. My father always said that you could tell a person to go straight to hell, and tell them in such a way that they would look forward to the trip. You state,"Lie now or your child may have to fight some day at the point of a gun".
These words of yours scare me! Is this what 'we' have sunk to? What happened to 'HONOR'? At some point we will face our creator. I cannot comprhend how i would justify the sentence, "I LIED BECAUSE..." with "bearing faulse witness".

I will convey a real story about my Grand mother: She had always wanted a mink coat (out lawed in the U.S.). During the Dust Bowl years, she managed to save enough to go to Europe and make the purchase. Upon arivel back in the states, she was asked if she had anything to "claim". She TOLD THE TRUTH!!! ""why, Yes, young man, I saved my Whole life just to go to europe and by a rich persons mink coat. It's right here in this bag, do you want to see it". Mind you this was an old lady, dressed in rags, and with the appearence of not haveing two penny's to rub together. She told me they laughed and told her to have a nice day as they waved her (and her baggage) through Customs.

Moral of the story: WE DON'T HAVE TO, NOR SHOULD WE LIE! PERIOD. To advise others to do so, is just wrong.

truth

... all up in your faces. Try and use that against me, GOP crooks.

triple dog dare you....

( please take the bait, please take the bait. please take the bait ... )

I'm lying my ass off if I have to.

If the government comes to my house and says. We are taking all the guns in the neighborhood.. Do you have any guns.

I'm lying.

If they say Do you have gold? I'm lying.

I lied to my mother when my brother was in the hospital and told her, I knew everything was going to be okay even though I didn't believe it.

I know if I spent time with those pretending to sit on their highchairs, I'd find out they've lied their asses off too.

A lie is a lie.. doesn't matter whether you thought your girls ass DID look fat in that dress or not.. it was a lie when you told her she looked fine.

It does make a difference in certain situations.

Right now is one of them. Do you want the GOP to be able to find out who every delegate is? They'd love that.. then they can start pulling some of the similar shit they've done in the states to date.

Oh yeah... they'd love to know who you are. Go ahead and lose this election with more stupidly done strategic mistakes.

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I won't lie, but I will tell them what

They think they want to hear.
Like, " well, I'm considering Romney....( and just leave it like that)." they will hear " he's for Romney" but what I said was " I'm considering Romney,( considering him for the dung heap !").
Misleading, not really, people tend to hear the answers they want to hear, it's not my fault if they don't ask me to specify.
If they aren't satisfied and ask "considering?", I just repeat myself " yes! I'm deifinitly considering Romney !" then I would ask " what about you, who are you considering?" when they answer "RomGingTorum" you have convinced them your on their team.

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

And I'm "considering" Santorum

(for the sanitarium!)

At my caucuses in Blue Earth County, MN...

the Ron Paul people came but had never slated, so they didn't know who all was for Ron Paul in order to vote. We all decided to wear our Ron Paul stickers and be bold about who we were supporting. The word went out, and at the Ron Paul booth we had a run on our Paul stickers and ran out of them.

You know what? We won big time in getting delegates!

The local radio announcer told me the place was crawling with Ron Paul supporters, much to his surprise.

Be bold, be proud, be for Ron Paul.

Minnesota Mary

I have no proof that you aren't lying right now.

You go ahead and identify yourself.

I've been around long enough to know what the GOP will do if given a chance.

Dr.Paul, by the way he ran last time, is okay with keeping quiet.

I think what some anti-supporters would like to promote is the idea that there is nothing to worry about..be completely open and out yourself (put a target on your back) everything will be okay.

They've pulled so many tricks to date they could open for Penn and Teller in Vegas.

Get a clue and try keeping it.

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Jacob lied to his father Abrahman and told

Abraham that he was his brother, and ABraham blessed Jacob, and Jacob inherited many lands and was blessed by God. God knows your heart, He knows if what you do is for good or bad, if you stretch the truth for bad, then that is not good. If you stretch the truth for good, then God willing, I think it may be ok. We are not stretching truth for bad reasons, I believe the Bible would back us up in that regard. God knows your heart, keep it pure and your actions are acceptable.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Jacob was obeying his mother.

Jacob was obeying his mother. He also was correct in claiming the blessings because his older brother had sold him his birth-right for a bowl of pourage. Abraham had already been told by God that the "older brother would serve the younger". If you think that Abraham did not know who he was blessing (dispite the attempt at deception) I believe you would be wrong. God is either in charge of all the going on's or he is not. As long as we fight for right (God's fight), it is not posible for us to loose.Some times I feel sorry for God. He has to keep his promises to our fathers wether we deserve them or not. He made a CONTRACT with our fathers, and he IS holding up His end. But I surely would hate to have to go explain what we've been doing to hold up ours.

Then what you are saying is...

"The end justifies the means." I can't agree with that. We fall under the New Covenant and not the Old Convenant. Jesus is Truth, and he wants us to be truthful too.

Minnesota Mary

Lie your ass off

and win the convention, I hate to say it but it is do or die time. Let's play the game the way it is rigged, this is MMA election time. No holds barred.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Gee...it is almost as if they

Gee...it is almost as if they don't want people stealing the nominations against the voters wishes.

It would be a DISASTER for Ron Paul and all Ron Paul like minded candidates if delegates voted for Ron Paul despite him losing the primary or caucus. Period.

It wouldn't work, and it would give his future opponents LOTS of ammunition, since it is NOT very liberty minded to say "Go FUCK yourselves voters! We don't care who you want!"

See this is what I'm talking about

Pay attention people..This is one of his comments from 2008.

'Holy cow. Why are people holding back someone asked? Maybe because people have realized that he has no shot and it is therefore stupid to waste money. Maybe people want to know where all the money that he has raised has gone. He sure as hell hasn't spent it all.'

You'd be doing this asshole and every other GOP asshole a favor if you let them know who you are.

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When In Rome...

...that is all.

If you're going to do this 'stealth delegate' stuff you better

Not have said Romney.

And it's still stupid, because you're hoping for a second round and the GOP can just make up some bullsh*t and say, "Oh there are now only X rounds, you fail--our guy wins" or whatever at any time.

You have to literally be ready to overthrow the GOP the day of a brokered convention and to throw out the leaders by forming a quorum. A brokered convention is a nightmare solution to get Ron Paul elected.

It's not easier, but harder.
A LOT HARDER.

It will also make it look like Ron Paul COMPLETELY STOLE the nomination and there will probably be legal charges and dissolving of the GOP before they allow him to take a brokered convention.

They will probably also have plenty of non-vetted candidates (like Rick Perry was before being vetted but probably not Jeb Bush, maybe Chris Christie or a Marko Rubio) there who will suddenly surge in to take the nom.

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Those are grandious inaccuracies.

Where will all of the delegates come from that will sweep the new person into office?

The delegates will be released and that isn't a bad thing for us.

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They have super delegates and loyal GOP hardliners

Who will vote for whoever the GOP tells them to unite behind after the endorsements/stepping aside (ie Newt/Santorum/Romney all endorsing one candidate--and it's not going to be Paul) plus penning them up in a convention.

There will be attempted vote/election fraud and rule changing just like a local convention.

Have you seen a convention before?

It goes something like, "Move to strike x, and y of z. Call vote. The ayes have it. Move to change x, and y. Call vote..."

Ron Paul supporters will be screaming "Nay" or just standing there ignorant. Then they will be ignored or the GOP will call "Order! Order!" and dismiss the convention or send security guards/police/bully-like bouncers to throw you out.

Oh yes, plus microphone mishaps every time a Ron Paul supporter speaks.

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I'm aware what happens

I'm also aware that they won't have enough delegates or superdelegates or "hardliners" for that matter to make a difference. You haven't been paying attention when it comes to delegates lately have you.

What you're trying to imply seemingly is that they can magically make a frontrunner out of the guy instantly at the convention. Doesn't work like that... Any neocon they put in is only going to take away from the other aholes...and come on.. Who has enough standing to go against Obama. All of the flunkies so far and the only one that stands a chance is Romney and people really don't like him.

They can bring whoever they want into play but it's not going to make a difference.. the ONLY hope they have is trickery.

The general statement that RP supporters will be standing there unaware is more bullshit. What's your angle.

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I can not; and, I will not LIE

I am a Ron Paul Republican. I don't lie, cheat or steal. I have joined the Republican Party to make it a better party, not to continue doing what they did. I AM in a rEVOLution and it's won by being open, honest, kind, generous, volunteering for everything, working hard, respecting people and appreciating them respecting me.

I came into this openly as a Ron Paul Republican. I never missed a RCC meeting. They have shunned me, excluded me, lied to me, and I continue to show up with a big smile and sincere willingness to WORK to make the GOP a party I am PROUD to belong.

I do my best to participate as Ron Paul. I say "NO" allot, and I give reasonable answers. I do not fear them, I am THE FUTURE.

My chair just told me last Thursday to go ahead and get registered. That is allot of work on my part. Allot of time, money, gas, and to be honest, the idea of having to stand in public to collect signatures from strangers isn't appealing to my lady side. But if I do not stand with Ron Paul, who is the only candidate standing for me, what else is there? I hate to even think about that.

Maybe going stealth is right for some, but it is NOT right for me, and I would like to encourage those who are no good at lying, cheating, and stealing, to take the lead from Ron Paul, it's working for me. I hope being upright works for you too. I really do, because to be honest, that is what kind of CHANGE I want to see. BE THE GOP YOU WANT TO HAVE.

5 stars

... you are one of the few remaining humans who have NOT sold their soul to ...

The Deceiver

I applaud your humanity

Everyone lies.

Any person that says they don't is lying right there.

But you go ahead, I've been lied to, cheated, had political things stole from me for all of my life.

If I have to fib or deceive a little as a last resort rather than get kicked off of being a delegate, I will.

It beats bloodshed any day of the week. I'm dead serious.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I am not afraid to be wrong, nor am I afraid to lose

I think lying, stealing and cheating or gifts from God. No kidding. Some folks are able to lie, cheat and steal and not get caught, or get away with it. I don't have that gift.

I'm not saying "I'm always right". I may say something and be wrong, but I did not, and will not say something to mislead you or anyone.

I learned a lesson a long time ago, and had a few refereshers before it became apparent to me, that FOR ME, when I tell it like I see it, AKA telling my truth, it's the best thing I can do for me and others. Seems liars explode right iofromt of me. Theoves show themseleves for what they are. It really does pay to be a good guy, to be good and true to yourself.

When I was a kid, like ,amy kids, I tried to get away with stuff. and everytime I'd get caught. I'm just no good at it, so it does n;t serve me. I understadn it serves some folks and some it serves really well. But it does not serve me well. I pay huge, so I am as honest as I can be with myself and others. I'm not perfect, I'm not always right, I lose plenty too, but still, my life is better in general. That's ME.

That's fine.. You do what you think is best for you

I know people lie, everyone does it to a degree. Yes some are better at it than others. I personally don't make a habit out of it and I'm right about where you are in my everyday life.

I have no reason to lie to people 99.9% of the time but in this case when so much is on the line, I'm going to if I have to. These people need to be out of office with many of their underlings. I know, if everyone tells them they are for Dr.Paul, they'll have targets to go after then and we all know, they will. Like I said, there's just too much at stake whether I want to do it or not... concerning them, it doesn't bother me that much... That's not to say, I'm good at it though, either.

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I'd like your advice

I went to the county clerk and filed to be on the ballot June 5th. I need 20 signatures. It's been suggested I get 30. I asked for 7 pages (70 signatures, because my experience is some folks destroy a petition and ruin all the signatures). I went to the womens league of voters last tuesday.. of 40 people, not one Republican. O folled out a form so I can petition at the grocery store, and I see there is a gun show the next two days in town... and I'm planning on wearing my Daily Paul tee shirt, have a stack of Super brochures to pass out, but for the life if me, I can't think how to ask people to sign... I was thinking maybe I should say... "Are you a Republican?" Seems... I don't know... weird.

"I need a Republican signature, could you help?" How does that sound?

Start by asking maybe..

Mam/Sir, could you help me out. I need signatures for "yada yada and yada".

Just start up the convo, you'll have RP supporters coming by. 30 doesn't seem like a lot.

Definitely hit the gun show though and maybe talk up his second amendment score with the NRA. It shouldn't be too hard.

Your idea will work great too I bet.

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