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The Hill: Ron Paul should attack Citizens United and run as a reformist third party

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:39

Ron Paul 2012

By Brent Budowsky - 02/10/12 09:15 AM ET

With a growing number of Ron Paul supporters advocating that he run as a third party, Paul has two big decisions to make. In last my last column, "Calling wealthy Democrats," I called for a national campaign to reverse the Citizens United decision, which enables wealthy individuals and special interests to spend unlimited money to buy our democracy. Ron Paul should support this campaign. Second, Paul needs to decide whether he is a typical insider Republican, in which case he will stand proudly endorsing Romney, Santorum or Gingrich. Or whether he is a true alternative to business as usual, in which case he will run as a third party.

The Republican Party today is looking very European. Some Republicans quote Austrian economists. Others resembles conservative leaders in Germany and France. Others play to anti-immigrant attitudes similar to the far right in Europe. Most Republicans today advocate the fusion of big business and big government. Does Ron Paul support this, or oppose this?

I agree with those Ron Paul supporters who call for a third-party candidacy. He will be discredited if he stands on the platform at the Republican convention side by side with a smiling Mitt Romney. Or Santorum. Or Gingrich. He will receive far greater attention, acclaim and credibility if he runs as a third party and champions a true alternative to Republican candidates he now says are almost identical to each other.

http://thehill.com/blogs/...

Thanks again Bobby

Submitted by legalizeliberty on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:09. Permalink

Articles like this one should open a healthy exchange of opinions.
Sadly some people are like a horse walking pushing the wagon with one eye covered.

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Agree Tom but many people

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:24. Permalink

Agree Tom but many people here don't like open discussion on these topics --that is why this piece was removed from the Front Page.

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Thanks for the email

Submitted by legalizeliberty on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:21. Permalink

I wrote back.

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"with a growing number of Ron Paul supporters advocating

Submitted by Jinc on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:22. Permalink

that he run as a 3rd party..." Can you see what they're doing here? Trying to make it seem like its movement. And it makes Ron Paul look VERY unappealing. Making it look like theres this wave toward some crappy bandwagon that NO undecided would EVER want to hop on. RP is a Republican until he says otherwise.

Oh, now I see

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Wed, 02/15/2012 - 08:48. Permalink

Oh, now I see

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Absolutely Jinc

Submitted by gmason08 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:52. Permalink

That is occurring both externally and internally.

Externally, almost in every case due to "establishment" ill intent.

Internally, ranges across the board from the well meaning but not well thought out, all the way to the establishment motivation-sadly. That's to be expected and unavoidable in an open forum, particularly one that is a ground zero in the ultimate game of hardball-POWER.

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I follow Ron Paul. Period NO

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:27. Permalink

I follow Ron Paul. Period

NO ONE BUT PAUL

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Correct - Garbage

Submitted by Liberty_First on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:44. Permalink

If an outsider starts telling RP and his supporters "what RP should do" thus assuming a role of a central planner on himself, we should skip his advice.

This site is the Central

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:02. Permalink

This site is the Central Planner for this movement

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Nope, just an advisory board

Submitted by Liberty_First on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:10. Permalink

We do not give advise to RP, but can advice RP supporters, like saying - "All RP supporters must donate on Feb 14th at RonPaul2012 in order for doctor to buy TV ads and reach millions of seniors who do not watch youtube."

But if an outsider tells RP he must change his foreign policy to accommodate the former's own views, some of us would say - it is garbage.

My bad

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Thu, 02/23/2012 - 07:33. Permalink

My bad

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What will happen at the convention if nobody has a majority?

Submitted by Henry on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:22. Permalink

There was a guest on Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano who believes that nobody will have a majority at the convention, but Romney will have the highest number of delegates, needing at least one other candidate to join him.

His view was that a Romney/Gingrich or Romney/Santorum ticket would be perceived as bringing certain disaster, and that Romney would strongly court Ron Paul to be his VP. I can't imagine such a possibility, and just getting concessions in the Platform to please Dr. Paul would be meaningless since the Platform really means nothing once the election is over. Ron Paul is the only candidate with principles, and to accept a VP slot certainly would violate those principles, given Romney's pro war, big government beliefs.

I wouldn't vote a Romney/Paul ticket unless I knew Romney had a terminal disease. Such a ticket would just discredit the freedom movement.

And in reality, without gargantuan cuts in the federal budget, we will have collapse of the federal government and its likely end, within a decade. This would be painful, but would have significant longer term advantages also. Do we really need the federal government as it is now constituted, or just a loose confederation of the States for defense and common markets?

If we intend to restore freedom, a third party run I think would further that goal more than a Republican Party compromise; I don't see most of the Republican politicians as any different than most of the Democratic politicians; they are all bottom feeders.

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Not sure this author understands what he is talking about.

Submitted by tfichter on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:13. Permalink

Ron Paul has defended the Citizens United case on the grounds of free speech. Dr. Paul also said that the problem with the big money is not with the donors, but the corrupt politicians who take the money in exchange for political favors.

Also, for this guy to equate Austrian Economics with European socialist politics demonstrates that he doesn't have a clue about what he is talking.

Ron Paul working within the Republican Party structure in no way means he has sold out. However, if he does not get the nomination, I strongly hope he will run third party.

Well said.

Submitted by Liberty_First on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:16. Permalink

Well said. Also we do not hear much talk in the media about Garry Johnson who is running third party.... He is blocked out completely. That would be the case with RP. No wonder TV hosts ask him about third party option all the time.

Citation Please:

Submitted by gmason08 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:10. Permalink

"With a growing number of Ron Paul supporters advocating that he run as a third party"

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Ha--prolly saw a few posts

Submitted by bobbyw24 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:12. Permalink

Ha--prolly saw a few posts here

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+1

Submitted by Obomba on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:46. Permalink

Guess a few people didn't get the joke.

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This is ridiculous

Submitted by LeinadSpoon on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:10. Permalink

Either he has to support the republican nominee or run third party? Did he follow the 2008 election at all? IF he doesn't get the nomination, RP will probably do the same thing he did there, and either sit out entirely or endorse a third party candidate.

Also, the idea that RP would change his platform because of political considerations is extremely laughable.

He will take it as far as he can...hopefully the nomination

Submitted by Jason Sarnia on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:01. Permalink

If he doesn't get it then there are alternatives. He will not abandon his principles.

BTW, the fusion of big government and big business = Fascism

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does not make sense "today"

Submitted by Messin' with th... on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:00. Permalink

To a degree they all get discredited for being on ANY ticket. He is doing just fine now, thanks anyway. "I agree with those Ron Paul supporters" who say that he is stirring the pot best where he is now, has a great chance where he is now, regardless of the lack of attention from the MSM.

Why go into some abyss where he can really get ignored and marginalized?

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exactly

Submitted by EdSchill on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:04. Permalink

such a move would clearly marginalize Paul

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Garbage

Submitted by EdSchill on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:59. Permalink

Why is this even here?

A few months ago Budowsky was openly soliciting Paul supporters for information that would link the Paul campaign to the OWS agenda. Now he is suggesting that Paul can't be taken seriously if he runs as a republican. WTF

This is just another attempt to discredit Paul's campaign when it is finally gaining mainstream republican traction.

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Clearly the author doesn't

Submitted by cevans93 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:59. Permalink

Clearly the author doesn't understand Ron Paul. Citizens United was a victory for free speech and private property rights. SuperPACs take power away from the parties. Ron Paul wouldn't support ending Citizens United.

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