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Indoor Veggies

This is a post for people that may want to grow veggies for salads indoors under fluorescent lights, or in a southern window. The best veggies I have found to grow under low light conditions are:

1. Swiss Chard / Spinach

2. Radishes (leaves edible too)

3. Jalapeno Peppers

Those 3 things also provide a good amount of nutrients, and make a spicy salad, and add important things to your diet if you can't get trusted fresh veggies in the winter. I grow enough indoors at 60degN to provide a fresh salad every day.

I add Aloe Vera on occasion just because I happen to grow it as a medicinal plant, but I don't eat to too much, just a little section now and then as I prune it. I also eat San Pedro cactus as a fresh vegetable (tastes like cucumber), but it's very slow growing, but on the other hand, it requires almost no care ... just a little here and there.

Mushrooms (there are many kinds: Oyster, Shiitake, etc) are also very worthwhile growing indoors, and are very easy to grow (just some misting with a spray bottle now and then), providing many abundant harvests from whatever medium they are growing on.



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About the mushrooms

Do you have any sites/resources you'd recommend? Your post intrigued me, I'm a big mushroom fan and I have a perfect room in my basement that is damp, dark, and full of shelves that would be perfect for loads of delicious mushrooms.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito

greenhouse and ap

The earth sheltered solar greenhouse by mike oheler makes for interesting reading.

Aquaponics is a good method but you need to integrate in the waste of other animals to give fish a 100% organically fed diet and get K or Ph up enough to fruit anything. Even then chelated iron is still needed.

Bump!

Bump

I've been studying

I've been studying Aquaponics, where you grow fish, fruits, and veggies all in one ecosystem. I should have everything setup this spring.

I'll likely go down to florida for 4 days of training...

http://www.greenacreorganics.biz/what-we-offer/aquaponics-tr...

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

be careful with those aquaponic programs

honestly the technology is as easy as digging a hole make sure they are teaching you something serious instead of using you as free labor or trying to sell you more garbage from Dr Rakocy (UVI system).

Sprouts?

Don't forget the sprouts!
Bean, alfalfa, wheat, etc...

I absolutely support indoor growing

although I'm a little more partial to herbs...

dea is coming for u, watchout

dea is coming for u, watchout

He could have meant basil or something : )

In which case it it would be the FDA, they are still coming in either regard.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

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Expand your repertoire!

I've been on that site numerous times,

excellent resource.

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Indoors

Can't say that I'm against indoor growin' but, don't exactly have the appetite for it, but hey! Found this 'lil jewel, might just be trying out:

Tiny Tim-Tomato: 'cut'

"miniature tomato plant that gets to 12" high that yields small braids of 3/4" red, round, cherry tomatoes."
http://store.tomatofest.com/Tiny_Tim_Tomato_Seeds_p/tf-0500p...

Has anyone grown this little thing?

Thanks for this

never seen the Tiny Tim's.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Sure enough

I sort-of stumbled across it, but I have been buying seed from the address listed.. "TomatoFest"

Never have grown indoor tomatoes and don't recall knowing anyone who has, but: seems to a bit of info about it, another small one listed here, "Patio"..

"Grow Your Own Tomatoes Indoors This Winter"
http://coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/VegFruit/tomatind.htm

And for information purposes: Height: 18-24 in. "Patio", listed above and discussed here, well personal experiences actually.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/30768/

Tiny Tim must be the smallest one in existence, I would think. The 12" thing appears to be a bit over-blown, oop.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/30516/

I Grow Cherry Tomatoes

I live at 60degN latitude, and I grow Cherry Tomatoes, but not Tiny Tim. Large tomatoes won't ripen at this latitude, but Cherry tomatoes produce abundantly with good strong sun. They aren't suitable for indoor growing under lights for food purposes, they require strong light, and a long maturation time. If you live with winters, tomatoes are best grown outdoors and then dried or canned for winter use.

I was writing about vegetables that will grow fast under low light, things you can harvest daily in a small indoor area to feed yourself fresh produce. 1 square meter with 4 4ft T12/T5 fluorescent tubes (about 120W) will provide a little bowl of salad every day for one person using the vegetables I listed. I don't trust all the stuff flown around the world in airplanes, and up north, veggies are getting EXTREMELY expensive ($2 for 1 bell pepper, or just about any single vegetable). $15-25 for a single melon, etc.

Indoor tomatoes?

have you not had success with indoor tomatoes? I've never tried it.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Check this out! I found this

Check this out! I found this one day while perusing Youtube. Kinda Changed my whole view on sources of food while trying to find different information on survival. When you contemplate the worst case scenario in an Economic depression of having no options this is a life Saver!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtOFkMQzzQ

Pretty cool. Thanks.

Makes me wanna check into the dandelions I usually cut that are all over my yard in the spring.

I knew you could eat the leaves and make tea with them but I haven't ever tried it. Only read about it.

I think I'll look into it more.

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Glad I could help. I forgot

Glad I could help. I forgot about this guy too, his name is Green Deane. He has about 130 free You-tube videos covering different plants. He also has a website with 1000's of searchable wild edibles and uncommon sources of flour. He is a little corny but pleasant and informative as well as entertainig.

If you want to know how to download youtube videos let me know and I'll explain, or Do your own research on it. Since I understand you would want this type of information on your hard drive rather than on the net when it really counts.

Here is his take on dandelions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0yFeKN1Pw

Did you know they actually sell dandelion greens in Whole Foods? Imported all the way from California. lol

Good luck!

Another cool video. Thanks.

Man I'll have dandelion greens whenever I want now. All I have to do is run outside.

I think I'm gonna get an edible plant book for the US if I can find one. I bet I have other goodies too.

I know I have a couple of maple trees in the yard.. maybe I'll get some syrup going next year too. :)

Off to Amazon. You wouldn't happen to know a color photo encyclopedia sized/style book that would cover the whole of the US would you?

I saw one but it had black and white drawings and I prefer color photos for better identification.

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Encyclopedia to me means very

Encyclopedia to me means very extensive and comprehensive
That sounds like an Amazing plant book I would love to have! What I do own, is very thorough and detailed. I haven't ran across any Like that, but if it exists I'll find it eventually.

Well I have several books that I know of and i understand how you feel about the color photos. There is one book I know that has photos cover to cover around 350 pages handbook sized" called "Medicinal Plants and herbs" and it covers Eastern and Central America. Just as you hinted Amazon.com is a great place to find books.
http://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Medicinal-Plants-Herbs/dp/...

There is a lady Linda Runyon @ http://ofthefield.com/
She updated her book to have color photos- I haven't Purchased it yet- approx 300 Pages
I found it wonderful in the sense that she covers the most common and has recipes in the back that make the idea of wild foods more practical in mind. Ive found a guy "Wild Man" Steve brill that has an edible wild plant i phone application with color photos for your phone. I think he is also on youtube

http://www.farmtotableonline.org/2011/05/wildman-steve-brill...

Ive found that the more you try to remember plants or identify them eventually you'll realize that they don't have to be in color. At first I didn't think that was possible and those stupid drawings would frustrate me. Now After reading through the color photos for awhile, I go back to the black and white books and I really surprise myself Sometimes. This is after practice but I'm an amateur.

Yes, those are more like it.

Here's the one I found. It looks to be fairly comprehensive but since I'm new to foraging, I don't trust myself with the black and white simple drawings. Wouldn't want to get the wrong plant, that could be hazardous.

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Edible-Plants-North-Ameri...

Maybe I'll get a few for reference.

I have a few small guides for the particular states I've been looking at to go off grid but they are really small with very few plants in them..some are a few pages long.. that can't be all of the plants in a state lol.

Anyway, thanks again, I'll check those out.

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I ran into the same problem

Yes Please do whatever suits you. The last thing we need is a Ron Paul supporter killing themselves over experimenting with black & white photos learning survival tactics.
I ran into the same problem with amount of plants so I just started buying any book that had to do with the subject, in case one had plants the others didn't. I see that's why your looking for an encyclopedia. I know I'll end up buying the one you found. Anytime, r4pres,

Morpheus Out...

Containers/Nutrients

The Swiss Chard & Spinach & Radishes grow well in tray-type containers (mine are about 18 x 36 x 6 inches) and don't require fertilizer ever. If you really think they need some (maybe after several years in the same container), maybe just a little of something like 15-30-15 ... not too much Nitrogen. They mostly get what they need from the water.

Jalapeno Peppers need a 1 gallon container and 15-30-15 as necessary (seldom), or something similar. Too much Nitrogen will make lots of growth, but few peppers.

Those 3 things produce abundantly and quickly under low light, and provide a good balance between leaf/root/fruit nutrients.

It's easy to collect seeds from the Peppers, and I have grown plants for years in the same pot, just cutting them back as necessary (under 24light/0dark fluorescent tubes). For the Radishes, you will have to sacrifice a radish for seeds, since the Radish will likely become spongy by the time the seeds are mature (might want to grow one in a separate container just for seeds).

The Leaf greens will become slightly tougher and more bitter when their seeds are mature, but will grow many many months (depending on light conditions) before setting seed. I actually don't know the "lifetime" of them, because usually I want to clear a container out and start fresh before the plants ever show signs of dying (6+ months). They tend to grow like a long leafy vine under lights, and will sprout shoots whenever you cut them back.

I don't cut holes in my containers for water, I think it is too messy and attracts bugs. Just don't overwater. I use clear plastic containers so I can see if water is collecting at the bottom (at which point I stop watering).

Awesome idea!

Providing for your own food is essential. Thanks!

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Edible Cacti

Optunias:

From experience and a bit of research, many are winter hardy.. eat the pads (nopales) and the fruit. Unfortunately, for this area, the best variety can't be grown here. See: "O. ficus-indica".

update: my cactus: should work : -)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43624007@N08/sets/7215762926626...
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"Nopales Prickly Pear Cactus Pads"
http://www.desertusa.com/magdec97/eating/nopales.html
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"What cacti produce edible fruit or are edible?"
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/cacti/msg06182714141...
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"The most commonly culinary species is the Indian Fig Opuntia (O. ficus-indica)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opuntia
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video: "How to Eat a Prickly Pear Fruit"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rhVeZ6gR0Q
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Love to grow: "Dragon Fruits", yeah, but.. If remembering correctly, these can be brought indoors for the winter.

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Cactus is an interesting idea I never

considered for indoor growing.