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Someone said to me that with Ron Paul in power we wouldnt have seat belt laws because the federal governmetn wouldnt have stepped in to change the car companies.

Is this true?

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The first seat belts were put in Tucker autos...

The first seat belts were put in Tucker autos around 1948. Tucker's also incorporated a bunch of other safety features...I believe safety glass and headlights that would turn to light up the road better when going around a corner. Even though Tucker was not successful for many reasons...these ideas can come around and are many times implemented before the Feds did anything. Hybrids have come into being because of consumer demand and Toyota went with it and are now dominating because the people want it. That is how the market works.

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There aren't any federal

There aren't any federal seat belt laws NOW. It's all state.
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This is silly

I happen to love ice cream (the kind bought in the store, cuz i am too lazy to find a cow and milk it) but ice cream, pasteurized , is very bad for me and makes me ill. So, I shouldn't eat it, but sometimes I want to and do. Now really, should the government tell me I can't eat it because it isn't good for me? Same with seat belts. I wear one, but I hate that the government tells me to!!!!

It would have been left up to the

States

Extraneous Questions

I've haven't heard any such thing myself. On the onset the question appears fairly goofy when you ask it without specifics and references. I'm not knocking you personally but it's questions like these out of that come out of the blue (again without references of any kind) that seem to smack of silliness. Correct me if I'm wrong and if he's ever addressed this issue. It's always been a state issue as far as I know and he's directly supportive of states deciding their laws and not the feds.

Should people be FORCED to where seatbelts? NO.
Should you get a ticket for NOT wearing seatbelts? NO

Are you completely outta your mind for NOT wearing a seatbelt? YES ;)

Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.

His philosophy doesn't support "laws for your own good"

I don't know, but I'll bet Ron Paul wears a seat belt from time to time and makes that choice not because it is a law but because he thinks it increases safety.

I hope people can understand that under the Libertarian philosophy, it's not that someone would be against wearing seatbelts or having their children wear seat belts, it's about not passing nanny state bills and laws, or "laws for your own good". I doubt Ron Paul supports a seat belt law, but then I don't know. I'm just going back to his Libertarian philosophy and I would assume he would not support such interference in personal liberty.

No one is stopping anyone from wearing a seatbelt, but why do we need to mandate it? Because our government is obsessed with telling us what is best for us as if we can't figure anything out all on our own.

Here is what I would say...

Reply back...... A president only has limited powers, not dictator-like powers. He cannot single handedly remove seat belt laws.

But the ONE thing that President Ron Paul could and will do as President, he will give the order to return our troops from Iraq.

Tell him not to worry, a Democratic Congress, lead by an anti-war President with a back bone, would be great for this country.

Treg

Typical argument vs Paul

I hear these types of arguments against Ron Paul all of the time. They are literally insane arguments that are completely devoid of common sense and practical reality. Most of them stem from a complete misunderstanding of how our government works and the real powers of the President. The same arguments almost always play on fear to elicit an emotional response. The seatbelt issue is a classic example.

These are FEAR arguments that are disconnected from reality. Literally the same argument as "if we don't fight them over there, we will have to fight them here." No logic, no objective reality. Just fear.

Ask that person if they wear their seatbelt. Then ask them if they require anyone traveling in their car to wear a seatbelt. Then ask them if they have taught their children to wear a seatbelt. If they answer "yes" to all three, then ask them why you are talking about seatbelts?

I personally am all for

I personally am all for wearing a seat belt and I am definitely glad to see children buckled in but here in the state of Wa. they have just mandated last year that kids have to be in a car seat till they are 9 years old but only if they weigh more than 85 lbs and are over 4 10". I think that there is a car seat company somewhere that is making oodles off this legislation. It's always a fine line. I remember in 1982 when my 1st child was born I don't remember being mandated (it could have been a law but I don't remember) to put him in a car seat. I did it because all my concerned friends,and parents said they're making these great car seats now and it's a much safer way to carry your kids around in a car. Made sense to me so I did it. My point it wasn't the law that made me do it but the love of my child and the encouragement of my support group. As adults I think seat belt laws just make the state rich and I don't like it at all!

NH

New Hampshire is 46th in per capita highway deaths and has no seat belt law for adults. It's unnecessary regulation.

A seat belt saved my ass 20 years ago and I always wear it.

It's funny...

I used to be religious about buckling up until they made it a law telling I have to. "Click it or ticket"? I say "Click it or They Can Stick It"

Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. -Ron Paul 7/10/03

Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. -Ron Paul 7/10/03

It shoud be the CHOICE of people driving/traveling the car.

From "The Politically Incorrect Guide to CAPITALISM" by Robert P. Murphy

The Mixed Blessings of Seat Belt Laws:
Along with airbag legislation, mandatory seat belt laws present a classic case unintended consequences. For one thing, intial studies that demonstrated large benefits of safety belts may have been misleading, because the type of driver who voluntarily wears a safety belt is likely more cautious in general. Most economists believe that driving decisions, just like everything else, are made on the margin. Forcing a driver to wear his belt (or to purchase a car with seat belts in the first place) will cause him to be more reckless than he otherwise would be. While few would deny the benefit of wearing a seat belt in the event of a crash-just ask those test dummies-there very well might be more crashes after such legislation.
Sam Peltzman of the University of Chicago has conducted extensive research showing that seat belt and other auto safety regulations have had precisely this impact. His initial findings were that the number of motorist deaths were roughly unchanged-there were more accidents but fewer deaths per accident-yet the total number of deaths from traffic accidents increased, since pedestrians and bycyclists don't benefit when every driver is forced to wear a seat belt.

Further reading:
http://www.stat.uga.edu/~mmeyer/airbags.htm

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to be fair...

yes, I think it is a State issue...

but yes, I also think it should be required for children who are not competent to make their own decision!

I am living right now in a place where there are no seat belt / child seat laws of any kind (or if there are, no one cares because it is never enforced).

I see young children riding in the front seat of cars, standing up by the dashboard, toddlers sitting on driver's laps as they are driving, kids climbing around inside the car & flailing out windows. I keep hearing horror stories from emergency rooms, children decapitated while sitting in the front with an air bag, thrown out of cars during an accident, etc.

So there can be good in *some* regulation, but definitely not by the FEDERAL govt

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Why is it the government's role to tell you to wear a seat belt?

Many people still do not wear them and it is a moving violation in NJ. Now these same people want to ban smoking in your own car if you have a child in the car!!!!!

Simply put - if they can tell me what to do in my own ca, how far a leap is it to tell me what to think, do and say in my own home?? Fascism is alive and well in the USA!!

Traction control isn't mandated,

but it's safer and I bought the car that had it.

This is Libertarianism 101. Most of the things people think of as gifts bestowed upon them by government would've happened anyway (the seatbelts being in the cars, not the laws making you wear them), it's just that, when there starts to be a demand for something, people ask the government to make it happen before they let the companies know there's a demand. Years of state conditioning...Von Mises...etc.

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It's already a state issue.

It's already a state issue. New Hampshire doesn't have seat belt laws for adults.

How about passing a law

Stating that sheep do not have towear a seat belt?

Would it be in the best interest of car companies to not suggest to people to wear seatbelts? If they didn't and more people died, then there are less people to buy their cars.

Think of it from a free market perspective. it is difficult to get people to wrap their minds around some abstract ideas like deciding what is best for them, but if they don't start doing it there will be a lot more problems in this country than already are.

"Make fun buddy..." - Ron Paul

There's something like that

One of the states has a law that you can't have a sheep in the driver's cab of a vehicle unless there is a human attendant in the cab, too. The nanny state is way ahead of you...even before you can think it, they've already got it covered.

Defend Liberty!

of course you realize

by "sheep" I was refering to the masses of citizens who care more about Dancing with the Stars than the status of our economy and forgeign policy. :-)

"Make fun buddy..." - Ron Paul

Relegated to States

Ron Paul in accordance with the tenth amendment would relegate this to the states jurisdiction. Which is where the laws mostly exist today.

The President Isn't The Lawmaker...

He can veto or sign, but he doesn't make laws. That's the job of the Congress, which is why we call them "Law Makers". Ron Paul simply wants each branch of government to do as the Constitution specifies, including himself if he becomes President. Due to his strong commitment to these ideals, he won't be able to change much of anything without the cooperation of the Congress.

If you want him as your president you had better be prepared to take a more active role in our government than every before. And not just for a little while. You'll have to put forth effort on a weekly basis and continue that effort for many years. You'll have to GET INVOLVED in your precinct, in short YOU will have to WORK!

He will speak from the "bully pulpit" and we will have to pressure our own congressmen and senators to do what we elected them for, the least of which is obey the constitution. Or we will have to remove them and find a suitable replacement, maybe even YOU. If we just sit back and watch, hoping for President Paul to fix everything, absolutely NOTHING will change -- well, maybe one thing: As Commander In Chief he will bring the troops home from all over the globe.. or at least try.

"It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." William Randolph Inge

The President Isn't The Lawmaker...

He can veto or sign, but he doesn't make laws. That's the job of the Congress, which is why we call them "Law Makers". Ron Paul simply wants each branch of government to do as the Constitution specifies, including himself if he becomes President. Due to his strong commitment to these ideals, he won't be able to change much of anything without the cooperation of the Congress.

If you want him as your president you had better be prepared to take a more active role in our government than every before. And not just for a little while. You'll have to put forth effort on a weekly basis and continue that effort for many years. You'll have to GET INVOLVED in your precinct, in short YOU will have to WORK!

He will speak from the "bully pulpit" and we will have to pressure our own congressmen and senators to do what we elected them for, the least of which is obey the constitution. Or we will have to remove them and find a suitable replacement, maybe even YOU. If we just sit back and watch, hoping for President Paul to fix everything, absolutely NOTHING will change -- well, maybe one thing: As Commander In Chief he will bring the troops home from all over the globe.. or at least try.

"It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." William Randolph Inge

that's the job of the STATE & LOCAL govts

that's the job of the STATE & LOCAL govts

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Each state would

decide that. It's not the Federal government's job to tell us what is good for us. What has happened with NeoConservatism, is the transition from personal liberties to the forceful insertion, via law, into what is deemed socially moral or correct behavior - among other things. This is a gradual trend toward a more Socialistic society. And Socialism fails.

That is not what the Constitution says. The Federal government has very specific responsibilities. It is the Federal government's job to protect us from our enemies and to protect our civil liberties. All other matters need to be decided on the local level. Only the states themselves know the demographics and concerns of their citizens.

Did that help any? If anyone can expand on this or correct me, please do so.

Anyone Posting About Seatbelts Today

...is on the wrong highway. Sounds like diversion to me.

fonta

Actually, this is a good question regarding libertarian ideals

It's representative of the role of government in our lives. Should government have the power to demand that a free adult in our society wear a seatbelt? Even the question of children and seatbelts should be debated at the state level. Our bloated federal government is the major problem that needs to be fixed here. Does the Constitution empower the federal government to address issues such as "seatbelt safety". The answer is no, it doesn't.

YES! It's true!

Ron Paul is totally against the idea of a "Nanny" (federal) government. It's the job of the people to coerce a company, such as an auto manufacturer, to build their cars with seatbelts or they'll buy from another company. I would say, on the other hand, that he would have no problem with the citizens of a given state lobbying their state representatives to enact a law that requires the use of seatbelts on children in their state.

NH seat belt laws

It has been a while since I was in NH but I used to love to go there just so I could cross the state line and read the signs about seat belt laws. It seemed every state in the nation that I went to said "buckle up, it's the law" or something similar. In NH, the sign said "children under 18 must wear a seat belt".

How great is that? If you're over 18, you can decide for yourself whether to wear a seat belt or not.

I don`t need the Nanny tellin me to buckleup!

HYDROMAN
In Texas the seat belt law was forced on the state by the Feds threatening to hold back Fed highway funds unless it was passed.
I believe the great president Nixon ( as in asshole) started the ball rolling with his "revenue sharing concept". That way the Feds can totally destroy the 10th amendment through bribery.

GET BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!

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i think

What Dr. RP means to do, is that the car companies can 'think' for themselves on what's good for the consumers. Also, if laws are needed, it would be up to the state, not the federal.The government don't need to control every little thing about the market.

As for me, I don't need laws to tell me to put my seat belts on. Insurance companies showed enough ads about that. See? Free market. I think.

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