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Will Romney and Paul be on the same ticket?

If you listen to the very end of the interview with Bob Schiefer, Dr. Paul hints at a Romney/Paul or a Paul/Romney ticket:

Bob Schiefer: Do you think Mitt Romney, if he's the nominee, can beat Barack Obama?
Ron Paul: Yeah, I do. I do. I think I could beat him too. And I think that I would have appeal to some of those Democrats that he doesn't have. You know, I don't know if anyone noticed but there was a Democrat primary in New Hampshire that had I think close to 3,000 write ins of Democrats. So yes, he can beat Obama but I think he also needs somebody that appeals to Democrats and Independents. And if people look carefully at what I'm talking about, they'll find out that my message has an appeal across the political spectrum.

Here's why I suspect they'll run on the same ticket:
It will come down to a brokered convention. Romney and Paul will have the most candidates, so a deal will have to be made to swing the delegates.

Romney and Paul wear mittens when dealing with each other (remember the flattering remark by Romney?). They're very respectful with each other yet go on the offensive with the other two candidates. Their campaigns are secretly in communication with each other. This is the reason the Paul campaign isn't raising cain over the Maine fraud.

But I also think that if Romney and Paul will be on the same ticket that Obama will pick Hillary. Then we'll have the battle of the ages.




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This will never happen. My

This will never happen. My guess is that Romney will choose Jeb Bush as his VP. This talk about Paul being any ones choice for VP is not realistic and is probably being put out there deliberately to fool us into softening up to Romney. The only way Paul gets into the white house is if we get him elected as president.

Alright, I'll let you all in

Alright, I'll let you all in on my secret abilities to tell the future. Romney is gaunt and is dying. Ron will be his vp. Romney will die in office and Ron will be prez. Get it, got it, good!

I don't think so.

Here's why not:

1. Ron Paul doesn't have it in him to mislead others, especially not his supporters. He wouldn't be telling us he's trying to win and simultaneously cutting a secret deal with Romney.

2. A house divided cannot stand. A Romney-Paul ticket would be fraught with contradictions. They disagree on almost every major policy issue. Think of how absurd it would be to tell voters "Mitt Romney is right," while Ron Paul's entire life's work says "Mitt Romney is wrong!" Think of how the Democrats would run with this.

3. Romney doesn't want to be upstaged. He wants to run alongside someone who will defend him and attack his opponent so he can appear to remain positive. He doesn't want his VP pick to be a lightning rod and a political rock star like Ron Paul.

4. Ron Paul would be sidelined. The VP has little power to change anything. Dick Cheney wielded influence because Bush deferred to him. Romney won't defer to Paul. But Dick Cheney was also invisible during most of Bush's tenure. Biden has been similarly invisible. What a great way to get Ron Paul out of sight, out of mind.

5. Ron Paul would be in danger. Make no mistake. There is a tremendous amount of power at stake in U.S. politics. And a tremendous amount of money. The factions that benefit from the status quo would not tolerate the possibility of Paul becoming president. Romney might like the idea of using Paul to sucker in Paul's supporters, then quickly shooing Paul to the White House basement. But some might go further than that to ensure Ron Paul never gets to derail their gravy train. A sudden heart attack wouldn't be suspicious at all, would it?

Why don't we just wait and see.

He isn't making any "secret" deal. He is openly taking about a brokered convention. You do know what a brokered deal is, do you not? So don't imply that he is making a deal behind our backs. He has openly stated that he wants to get enough delegates to broker a deal. If Dr. Ron Paul can win the nomination outright then great, if not then he will try to get the best deal possible. If it means he has to take Romney as vice then he will do so. If he has to use the delegates to become vice president then he will do so. There is no secret about it. Don't pervert his words. If he doesn't get 1144 delegates and gets only 1143 delegates he cannot get the nomination and must accept Romney as vice or go home and retire. Ron Paul is not a quitter and he won't quit just because he doesn't get what he wants. He will go for vice and that is a guarantee.
grant

Back to reading comprehension with you

My entire post is arguing that Ron Paul is NOT making a deal with Romney. It is the original poster who suggested there is secret communication between the Paul and Romney camps, to the effect that the two are not actually competing for the nomination but cooperating with one another.

It's true

You've pointed out something very important.

I wasn't suspicious of the fact that Romney and Paul may be working together, or at least keeping communication open to make for an amicable race.

When asked about Romney, something about Dr. Paul's answers get me wondering if they've already cut a deal...

Last week both Rush and Levin made accusations that the two campaigns are working together to defeat Gingrich and Santorum. I dismissed this as their usual melodrama.

However, it's starting to come together. Santorum is the most dangerous candidate out there foreign policy-wise. Gingrich is the greatest liability for the GOP if social issues and personal character remain active issues through the election. Romney is the moderate progressive, and Paul is the rational conservative.

The only good thing about a possible Romney/Paul ticket or Paul/Romney ticket is that we all know Romney has no core convictions, and would be easily swayed by the perpetual reason of Dr. Paul. I speak of both Ron and Rand Paul as the possible VP. Romney may see Rand as the more palatable Tea Party voice for America.

I think if Rand Paul or Marco Rubio are not the VP, the MSM will declare the Tea Party legally dead.

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Nope, never will happen because of the FED

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Ron Paul only for President

I won't vote for any republican ticket unless it's Ron Paul for President. I'm not against him being a vice presidential candidate if that's best he can do, there's always a chance that Romney will croak and suddenly Ron Paul is President! also he could continue to spread the message and gain influence, which is better than retiring to Texas. Vice presidents don't do anything, they have no power so I wouldn't vote for that. I would vote 3rd party or painfully vote for Obombya just in the hope that Rand would be able to run in 2016. Remember, if RomTorum wins in 2012 there is no chance for Rand in 2016.

That ticket is a GUARANTEED loser for everyone

1- Even in the remote chance that Paul accepts such a ticket, only about half of his support would vote for him. the other half wouldn't probably vote or vote Johnson or even write in RP's name as president.

2- It would absolutely destroy RP's credibility, not only among some of his followers but among reps and dems. He would just be begging for an attack on his credibility by the dems.

3- Even the reps wouldn't vote for this ticket. Most of them can't stand Romney and are on the Santorum/Gingrich BS boat. They would maybe vote for Paul alone or for Romney alone if worst comes to worst but I don't think they would vote for Romney/Paul.

4- Romney brings absolutely NOTHING to the table: neither the indies nor the dems particularly care about the guy.

If only factor #1 happens, it guarantees an Obama victory. It would also destroy the R3volution's credibility going forward "Oh you sold out to Romney!".

No this ticket is a no go even as a worst case scenario, it would absolutely destroy everything Dr. Paul's been working for in the last 3 decades, I don't think Dr.Paul would even consider it...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

You don't know what you are

You don't know what you are talking about. In a brokered convention a candidate uses their delegates to make a deal. The deal would be to become president or vice president. There is no other logical deal.
There are 2,286 delegates.[3] A candidate must accumulate 1,144 delegate votes to win
Probable case:
Romney has 800 delegates
Santorum has 486 delegates
Gingrich has 200 delegates
Paul has 800 delegates

Ron Paul to get the win has to negotiate with Santorum to get the win or Romney to get the win. If not he goes back to Texas and retires. We have no voice in the executive branch. I will take my chances with Romney over Santorum or Gingrich any day.
grant

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I agree - Quite frankly, if

I agree - Quite frankly, if Ron Paul were VP nominee, about 100% of us would be stunned that he made it that far. And Ron Paul in the White House - even if he were cleaning the floors, is better for us than Ron Paul on his porch in Texas.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still praying and working for RP for the top of the ticket and won't stop for a second.

Cos Cob, CT

Thank you

I agree with you 100%, and of course I would be thrilled for Ron Paul to be on top of the ticket and it would be a miracle if he could choose his vice president. Getting him into the White House is the first step. I believe he has the ability to make big changes, even if it was only as vice president. Who says the vice presidency isn't important. Tell that to Bush, he ran the White House for 8 years when his was vice president and Dick Cheney ran the White House when Georgie Junior was president. They were puppets. Ronmey is a good puppet, and as vice president Paul would pull his strings.
grant

Paul as president maybe,

as VP = useless and only serves to discredit this movement.

I'd rather him do a good run, retire, keep the movement's credibility, we take over the GOP, try again in a couple of elections, maybe with Rand or someone else.

If RP accepts this deal (which he won't) = death of this movement after we lose to Obama...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

You have a lot to learn.

Death of this movement? Please, this movement is bigger than Dr. Ron Paul. And Ron Paul will use his delegates to become president or vice president and if it means taking Romney with him he will. Why, because it is the it makes no sense not to force the GOP to accept him as president or vice president. He is going for a brokered convention. If you are against a brokered convention then it is probably time for you to re-evaluate your vote now and not spend your money. R3volutions are not won overnight. Each brick must be put into place. Ron Paul does not have enough votes to win as an independent and therefore he doesn't want to run. He also does not have all the Republican votes, so he has to broker a deal. Sorry that the rules suck, but they are the same rules that the movement is using to get as many delegates as it can. Perhaps there will be a miracle and Dr. Ron Paul will get the 1144 delegates needed to win it outright, which in that case he can choose anyone he wants to become his vice president, but if he doesn't then I want him to use any means necessary to stay in Washington and be a voice.
grant

That strategy makes some

That strategy makes some sense, but only in a worst case scenario. There's just one problem. Romney is just an awful candidate. Even if I would agree with him on every issue, he has no charisma, no charm and zero personality. The man's presence just sucks the energy right out of any room. Any ticket with Romney on it is a losing ticket. He scores nicely in polls now, but Obama hasn't even begun to take him apart.

I don't know where anyone gets this idea he could make so much as a dent in Obama's support? Only Ron Paul can do that, but not alongside Mitt. The combination is just too awkward. They'll make each other look bad and Obama WILL make it a beauty contest.

I honestly believe an independent Paul/Napolitano ticket would stand a better chance, just because the Judge would bring some of the aggression Paul doesn't have (and shouldn't). But I don't think independent is the way (just yet).

I'm also a bit suspicious about this brokered convention talk. I think it originates with either the GOP or the media. It's a retreat on their part, think about it. It's an admission, by them, of the sway Paul holds with voters. No matter what, he will crash their little party. IF they are screwing with the numbers, they know the real ones. If the numbers are correct, they're still pretty threatening.

And the message is even more threatening, because they know the longer that's it's out there, the more people will connect the dots and get it. Remember, there is still a long way to go before the convention. And even a brokered convention can play out in any number of ways. There's gonna be a ton of Ron Paul people in there, and don't forget a lot of non-Paul voters are symphatetic to Paul. A killer speech can do a lot for them in the heat of the moment. What if there's busloads and busloads of Ron Paul voters right outside the convention? That'll impress those delegates. Remember, they are normal people just like you and me.

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follow Dr. Ron Paul's lead and go out and have fun.

Paul/Napolitano ticket wouldn't happen because of the difficulty of getting on the ballot in every State. They would have to start that action today and Dr. Ron Paul has given his word that he is taking his candidacy all the way to the convention. The convention in on the 27th of August leaving only October to campaign and get the word out for an independent run. Not going to happen, don't kid yourself.
grant

If RobMe was ambitious he'd get Ron Paul elected in exchange

For being 'Corporate Raider in Chief' and getting all the monopolies/businesses to bust up and profit off.

Instead, he's hoping to get in there and play buddy-buddy and cut himself and his friends at the LDS temple some checks at our expense.

This is really what it's all about.

But what do you expect from someone who's had everything handed to him his whole life? He's been trained from day 1 to take, take, take, till there is nothing left.

Scum really.

Just remember: Abusers require the abused to lay down before them.

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It's a no-win for Dr. Paul.

A Paul/Romney ticket guarantees assissination.

A Romney/Paul ticket guarantees obsolescence.

Romney has absolutely nothing in common with Dr. Paul's belief system.

I just don't think he would sacrifice his principles to get on a ticket with Romney as VP and how in good faith could Dr. Paul EVER pick Romney as a running mate.

It would just be for use of Romney's big name and in so doing, Dr. Paul would alienate most of us.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

True Paul's head is on the line, but that's the risk he takes.

The only other option besides Romney in a brokered convention for Paul would be to be linked with Gingrich or Santorum. By far Romney of the three is much better and more easily converted.
grant

Romney wants RP voters, not RP

The biggest issues for RP are monetary policy, constitutionalism (rule of law) & foreign policy - in none of these is Romney on the same page as RP.

If by some bizarre circumstance, Romney thought RP would help him get elected, RP would AT LEAST seek to extract a promise from Romney that any future wars would be declared and a GENUINE audit of the Fed would happen. Romney would refuse the former saying it would imperil U.S. security and his major donors would scuttle the latter. The statement RP made on Face the Nation had nothing to do with any angling for the VP slot.

what a joke look at mitts numbers he is imploding

and so is the gop. Ron Paul just grows look at the cold hard numbers

http://www.dailypaul.com/207797/ron-paul-vs-mitt-romney-head...

mitt is tanking

Oh, Come On!

Ron Paul didn't work well over 35 years on a no-compromise philosophy just to end up in 2nd place with some socialist.

Follow Dr. Ron Paul's lead and go out and have fun.

Why not? He has spent 35 years as a congressman with a socialist/fascist government. If it means carrying the message of freedom into the executive branch than he will do it. Stop trying to prevent an opportunity to carry the torch forward. If it comes to a brokered convention it will be Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney. That's what a brokered convention means. It doesn't mean that Dr. Ron Paul wants all his supporters to hold their breath unless they get what they want. This isn't about winning the presidency. Ron Paul has stated this over and over and over again. It is about changing the minds by educating the masses which means that if it requires splitting the ticket with Romney then so be it. You do realize that per the Constitution the president and vice president originally were elected separately? If not I suggest you take time to read it.
grant

Who are they elected by NOW?

"Electors" and that ain't you or me.

Also, the House (or is it the Senate?) gets together in December for the vote on the President. Oh SURE it's just a formality!!

I really wish there was one voting day (April 15th), no primary, no convention (waste of money) no delegates and the decision was by popular vote and not this convoluted scam that's going on now which no honest man should tolerate.

No it will not happen

You have to be committed CFR to get a VP slot.

If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal. Here is hoping for change!

Please stop this nonsense.

No you don't! You have to have enough delegates to force a brokered convention. Please study what a brokered convention is before putting out false information. It makes the movement to get Dr. Ron Paul elected look ignorant.
grant

If Ron Runs with Mitt

as VP it's all over. If you dance with the devil you seal your fate.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
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Ron Paul and Mitt go way back

So they're friendly. They have a general personal respect/ working relationship so to speak- but it should in NO way be construed as being philosophically aligned. They're like oil and water. If they didnt have the history they do, it'd be a blood bath. Unless Romney forgot everything he stands for, they'd never share a ticket.

I don't see it.

I cannot imagine Dr. Paul being on the same ticket with Romney, Newt, or Santorum any more than he would be on a ticket with Obama. On issues of Liberty those three are not different enough from Obama to be meaningful. Governor Gary Johnson would have been a good fit for Dr. Paul but he has since left the Republican party and moved to the Libertarians so I am afraid that won't work.

No one else running is remotely close to the values we hold.

No VP spot for Ron, maybe rand

I used to think that Rand as VP would be bad but it has potential, heres why:

Most RP supporters would NOT vote for the ticket, we may like Rand but bot enough to put Romney in the Whitehouse ahead of him. This means they'd lose. HOWEVER, by being put on the ticket Rand becomes instantly a legitimate player for 2016, especially if the loss can be blamed on Romney, which it can because hes already having trouble. Indeed, if the election were a squeaker Rand could say, "Hey, i carried Rombeys dead weight almost to the goal line, imagine if I ran with someone good"'

In short, the GOP base would get to know Rand and they couldnt pass him off as an old kook. The establushment couldnt turn on him as they judt had him on the ticket.

Now, i grant you Rand is NOT Ron, but Compared to any other realistic choice, he close enough to perfect for me. So, id love to see him as Vp, wouldnt vote for him but then in 2016 ged have my support (assuming no major bad deeds) for the top of tbe ticket.