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Maine Election Fraud - Eyewitness Testimony

The following are quotes taken from a Maine Blog, where there are many eyewitness accounts of the vote total not being correct in their caucus results that were reported from Maine GOP, please follow the links to see many more...

"I'm not sure how acurate the announced count is in reality. My town had 4 votes: 2 Santorum, 1 Romney and 1 other (that was me). Yet the tally in the state news release shows only 3 votes: 2 Santorum, 1 Romney and claimsthere were zero other. And I know for fact the state got our total because I was the one who called it into Michelle from the caucus. I wonder how accurate these counts were for other towns, based on the evidence of the announced tally for my town." #19

"After reviewing the totals, I know of at least one error in my town. I wrote in the name of someone other than Romney, Paul, Santorum or Gingrich - and the totals for "other" in my town show 0. I know for a fact that there was at least one "other" vote, because I cast it."


"Matt Deckers of Franklin, a volunteer for the Republican Party, carries a Ron Paul sign out of Troy Howard Middle School in Belfast after a countywide caucus on Feb. 4. Paul won the event by a small margin, but the results were not included in statewide tallies."


**Update with some election law FACTS straight from Maine Government's website www.maine.gov/portal/government/edemocracy/elections_faq

[Please note, as you can see if you follow the link, this may not apply directly to election fraud, but I am pretty sure the process is the same, go to your secretary of state and ask then file a petition.]

Citizen Initiatives
What are the laws governing the citizen initiative process?

The Maine Constitution, in Article IV, Part Third, sections 17, 18, 19, 20 and 22, provide the basic requirements for the statewide citizen initiative and people’s veto process. The Maine Election law, 21-A M.R.S.A., Chapter 11, Ballot Questions (sections 901 - 907), provides additional requirements for the Secretary of State in processing applications and drafting the ballot questions for citizen initiatives and people’s vetoes. The election page of the Secretary of State’s website provides additional information on the initiative process.

How does someone start a citizen initiative petition?

Six Maine registered voters (the “proponents”) submit an application to the Secretary of State for a citizen initiative, along with a draft of the statutory language they wish to adopt or amend.

This only applies to residents of Maine, that are registered to vote, and I believe must have voted in the caucuses (in order to have substantial standing to file)
Maine Recount Procedures found at http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/21-A/title21-...

§737-A. Recount

Once a recount is requested, the Secretary of State shall notify the State Police, who shall take physical control of all ballots and related materials involved in the recount as soon as possible. [2007, c. 515, §8 (AMD).]

The State Police shall store and maintain exclusive control over the ballots and other materials pending and during the recount except when the counting is being conducted by the Secretary of State. [1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF).]

A candidate who is the apparent loser and who desires a recount must file with the Secretary of State a written request for a recount within 5 business days after the election. The recount is held under the supervision of the Secretary of State, who shall allow the candidate's representatives or counsel to recount the ballots. The candidate may not act as a counter of ballots. [2007, c. 515, §9 (AMD).]

If, after the official tabulation is submitted to the Governor, the apparent winner is determined the losing candidate, that candidate may request another recount within 3 business days after the date the Governor receives the tabulation. [1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF).]
1. Deposit for recount. All deposits required by this section must be made with the Secretary of State when a recount is requested by a losing candidate or an undeclared write-in candidate. Once the State Police have taken custody of the ballots and other election materials from the municipalities, the deposit made by the candidate requesting the recount is forfeited to the State if the resulting count fails to change the outcome of the election. If the recount reverses the election, the deposit must be returned to the candidate requesting the recount. The amount of the deposit is calculated as follows.
A. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is 2% or less of the total votes cast for that office, a deposit is not required. [2003, c. 447, §25 (AMD).]
B. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is more than 2% and less than or equal to 4% of the total votes cast for that office, the deposit is $500. [2003, c. 447, §25 (AMD).]
C. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is more than 4% and less than or equal to 6% of the total votes cast for that office, the deposit is $1,000. [2003, c. 447, §25 (AMD).]
D. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is more than 6% and less than or equal to 8% of the total votes cast for that office, the deposit is $2,500. [2003, c. 447, §25 (NEW).]
E. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is more than 8% and less than or equal to 10% of the total votes cast for that office, the deposit is $5,000. [2003, c. 447, §25 (NEW).]
F. If the percentage difference shown by the official tabulation between the leading candidate and the requesting candidate is more than 10% of the total votes cast for that office, the deposit is $10,000. [2003, c. 447, §25 (NEW).]
[ 2009, c. 253, §42 (AMD) .]
2. Recount request. If a ballot contains the names of state and local candidates or questions, the Secretary of State shall determine which requests for recount must be honored first when more than one request is presented.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
2-A. Recount for write-in candidates. For the purposes of this section, a declared write-in candidate who has complied with the requirements of section 722-A is treated the same as any candidate whose name is printed on the ballot. An undeclared write-in candidate also may request a recount and be treated as a designated recount candidate, but only upon first submitting a written request for a recount that must contain a statement signed by the candidate that the candidate will accept the nomination. The consent must contain a declaration of the candidate's place of residence and party designation and a statement that the candidate meets the qualifications of the office the write-in candidate seeks, which the candidate must verify by oath or affirmation before a notary public or other person authorized by law to administer oaths or affirmations that the declaration is true. The undeclared write-in candidate must submit a $10,000 deposit. If the recount fails to reverse the outcome of the election, the undeclared candidate must also pay the actual cost of the recount, as determined by the Secretary of State.
[ 2009, c. 253, §43 (NEW) .]
3. Notice of recount. The Secretary of State shall send written notice of a recount to the candidates for the office in question, stating the time and place of the recount.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
4. Time of recount and designated recount candidates. The recount must be held as soon as reasonably possible at a time and place that affords the designated recount candidates a reasonable opportunity to be present. For purposes of this section, "the designated recount candidates" means the leading candidate and each candidate who has requested a recount and paid the applicable fee in accordance with this section. The recount involves a new count of the results for the designated recount candidates only. Once a candidate has requested a recount, the other candidates for that elective office must be notified of the request as soon as possible. Candidates for that elective office whose vote totals fall between the totals of the leading candidate and the requesting candidate must be provided with an opportunity to be included in the recount as a designated recount candidate by making a written request to join the recount and paying the applicable fee, either within 5 business days after the election or, if the recount request is made on the last day of that period, by the close of business on the next business day. Candidates for that elective office other than the designated recount candidates may be present to observe the recount but are not included in the recount, and their vote totals remain as indicated in the official results reported by the municipalities.
[ 2003, c. 447, §26 (AMD) .]
5. Persons prohibited from working at recount. Confidential state employees, employees of the Legislature, candidates and elected state officials may not participate in ballot recounts in any capacity. This subsection does not prohibit employees within the Department of the Secretary of State, election officials and staff of the Department of the Attorney General and the Judicial Department from performing their duties with respect to a recount.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
6. List of recount personnel. The Secretary of State shall maintain a list of recount personnel for 2 years after the recount.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
7. Disputed ballots segregated. At the recount, the Secretary of State shall segregate disputed ballots. Disputed ballots that are not resolved must be photocopied by a representative of the Secretary of State. The photocopy of the ballot is not a public record and must be kept separate from the original ballots.
When a recount is requested by a write-in candidate who did not receive the minimum number of votes required, if the write-in candidate is the only candidate at the recount and it appears from the recount that a sufficient number of votes for that candidate has been received at the election, then all ballots from that election are considered "disputed."
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
8. Mistake in ballot count. If it is found that a mistake was made in counting the ballots on election day, or if the recount results show that an undeclared write-in candidate received votes for a particular office, the Secretary of State shall submit a corrected tabulation to the Governor.
[ 2009, c. 253, §44 (AMD) .]
9. Package resealed and marked. After a recount, if the election remains in dispute, the Secretary of State shall copy the incoming voting list, before proceeding to reseal the packages of ballots and incoming voting lists, noting the fact and date of the recount on the packages. The Secretary of State shall immediately send or deliver the copy of the incoming voting list to the clerk for the purpose of updating voter participation history in the central voter registration system. The clerk shall immediately send a receipt to the Secretary of State noting the date and time of delivery of the copy. All challenged and disputed ballots must be packaged separately. The challenged and disputed ballots must be kept until released to the court or to the Senate or the House of Representatives, if applicable, in case of an appeal.
[ 2009, c. 253, §45 (AMD) .]
10. Appeals. For all elections, except for the Senate and the House of Representatives, if there are enough challenged or disputed ballots to affect the result of an election, the Secretary of State shall forward the ballots and related records for that election to the clerk of the Supreme Judicial Court. The Supreme Judicial Court shall determine the result of the election pursuant to procedures adopted by court rule. The decision of the Supreme Judicial Court is final and must be certified to the Governor by the Chief Justice.
For all elections to the Senate and the House of Representatives, each House shall establish procedures for recount appeals.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
11. Withdrawal from recount. A candidate who requests and receives a recount may withdraw from the recount at any time while the recount shows that candidate to be the loser. If, during the recount, the candidate requesting the recount overtakes and passes the candidate who initially appeared to win the election, the candidate requesting the recount may not withdraw the request and the recount must be completed.
[ 1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW); 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF) .]
12. Authority to adopt rules. The Secretary of State is authorized to adopt rules governing the conduct and procedures for a recount. Rules adopted pursuant to this subsection are routine technical rules as defined in Title 5, chapter 375, subchapter 2-A.
[ 2009, c. 253, §46 (NEW) .]
1993, c. 473, §31 (NEW). 1993, c. 473, §46 (AFF). 1995, c. 459, §§67,68 (AMD). 1999, c. 426, §§27,28 (AMD). 2003, c. 447, §§25-27 (AMD). 2005, c. 453, §58 (AMD). 2007, c. 515, §§7-9 (AMD). 2009, c. 253, §§41-46 (AMD).

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Who ever posted this state

Who ever posted this state police info has it all wrong. This is not a general election for president, this is the GOP a private organization that is nominating what candidate will be placed on their ballot, there is a big difference between the two.

as I said in the actual post,

as I said in the actual post, "[Please note, as you can see if you follow the link, this may not apply directly to election fraud, but I am pretty sure the process is the same, go to your secretary of state and ask then file a petition.]" Thanks I know, but the process will generally be the same to file any petition.

This is starting to look better

watchthevote2012.com totals so far:

As far as I know, those results have to be verified with a photo, so they should be accurate. If anyone else in Maine was a poll watcher or has other proof of the official tally in a precinct that is not listed there, you should send the information in.

Watch the Vote 2012 can be

Watch the Vote 2012 can be found on facebook, yes they have photographic proof, along with everything mentioned here that proves election fraud.

Read their own summary

Taking all of the discrepancies into account, it's a net gain of 22 for Paul.

I think the key point is that the GOTV effort on Saturday, in Washington county and the other caucuses being held that day, is absolutely crucial. A net gain of more than 170 there (which is more than the usual total turnout for the county!) would get Paul some very good publicity. Coming up short means the MSM summarizes it all as "small errors that ultimately didn't change the result."

Here's wtv2012's most recent summary:

WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW (before this weekend's caucuses in the disenfranchised areas):

1. Some county-level officials are furious and letting their anger at Charlie Webster and the MAINE GOP for disenfranchising a full county and a half (plus scattered towns in other counties) be known. Demands for Charlie Webster's resignation have begun.

2. Neil Cavuto covered the candidate's concerns over what happened last night. YouTube is up. Dr. Paul mistakenly referred to Washington Co. as "way up north" (That's us, here in Aroostook) and the only Maine county that gave him the caucus victory four years ago (also us) but his other points are excellent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccxqYlUUWeo

3. Waldo Counties uncounted towns are now known (but perhaps not yet recorded by the Maine GOP). We gained 6 votes from there. We may want to add these towns (or the county totals) to our results at WatchTheVote2012.com..although we don't have on-th-ground witnesses (Chris? Jim? Gav?): http://waldo.villagesoup.com/news/story/waldo-county-mostly-...

4. The City of Waterville is known to have broken out as:
RP-21, MR-5, RS-0, NG-3....So we gained 16 votes from there.

So...starting with a 192-vote deficit, we are now down to 170, IN ADVANCE OF THE CAUCUSES THIS WEEKEND IN WASHINGTON COUNTY AND HALF OF HANCOCK where Paul should do very, very well. Also...The following towns are still not reported in other counties:

Franklin Co.- Phillips, Rangeley, Wilton

Kennebec Co.- Vienna, Wayne, Windsor

Penobscott Co.- Patten, Plymouth, Springfield, Winn

Somerset Co.- Anson, Cornville, Detroit, Jackman, Mercer, Moscow, New Portland, Starks

York Co.- Acton

I WANT TO EMPHASIZE that it is possible that one or more of these towns did not and will not caucus, but not likely...esp. in the case of the largers ones on the list (like Wilton, for example...pop. 4100.)

Again, we are down 170, and ALL of the unreported locations...Washington Co., Half of Hancock Co., and the scattered towns SHOULD bring this race very close indeed....

Weren't there any RP

Weren't there any RP supporters vote watching? Surely they didn't leave the process bare of their presence as observers. What happened? Wasn't Revolution Pac planning to get involved?

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home



knew it was fraud before it was cool

i made a video saying mitt romney would win but it got pulled off of youtube for some reason hmmm well check out my youtube channel americanrebel1776

“When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.”
― Ron Paul

Can I move to Maine?

Maine we love you! You showed up! You cast your vote! Now you must read, reread, and make action! This is our chance! Get on it! Make it happen! Paul of all people deserves this! Godspeed

To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

Almost forgot!


To arms! To arms! The Redcoats are coming!

Maine Election Recount laws

Maine Election Recount laws posted

Caucus is not an election

But this was a caucus not an election.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

The system is a joke.....

Apparently the caucuses do a count and scribble some numbers on a piece of cardboard or something they found in a closet.

So the caucus chairmen are supposed to call in results, and some old lady without her hearing aid is on the phone writing down results on sticky notes, many of which get knocked off her desk and into the garbage can.

The caucus chairmen then throw away their piece of cardboard.

Is anyone anywhere in the process doing anything to verify and document and ensure accuracy? No official documents with witnesses and signatures, no copies made, no scanning to avoid errors with verbal communication and interpretation, or falsification?

no doubt. They've got to be spending 3 bucks each on gas

to get to the precinct- they may as well go the extra mile and snap a pic on someones cell phone.

Please explain this....

From the second article:

"A press release, issued by the party on Saturday, downplayed the importance of Maine's caucuses, describing them as a "beauty contest" in which "there are no national delegates 'won' or 'bound' to any Presidential candidate."

So why have the caucuses?

Seems they're saying none of us should care what the results are.

So, I don't understand ...

What is being done about all this?

It seems like plenty of evidence has been brought forward to indicate multiple discrepancies in the officially reported vote. So what is being done about it? Are complaints being filed? Do the voters file a class-action lawsuit against the Maine GOP? Does the campaign file a lawsuit? What is being done? What CAN be done?


...Playing devils advocate:

Ok, so they have the Caucus in Washington county and Ron Paul's people show up in droves. He wins, no problem. Has 300 votes to cap the devide between himself and Romney...

...IF they decide to except the votes and add them to the totals....

...They will just open up the rest of the uncounted votes for the tally and get Romney to win anyways.


More Egg in our face.

The way I see it, The best way to eat Humble pie?


Except that the uncounted

Except that the uncounted votes so far appear to be favoring Ron Paul, or at worst only not favoring Romney. According to eye witness accounts.

God this is so frustrating

I have never in my life seen so many problems with an American election that was so CLEAR!

Please Maine, you can change elections and the scumbags that have been running them forever if you act on this NOW!

Someone please give me some closer and say that there is a campaign to get the truth out about the Maine caucus. Are people getting press (press release, letter to the editors, reporting to local news affiliates, interviews on radio).

Please Maine, do what needs to be done to expose this to the public and run these folks out of the party.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Please Maine

... put the GOP caucus fraudsters IN PRISON for many many YEARS

Important Local News Coverage of RIGGED CAUCUS

Bangor Local News Coverage

Interview with Charlie Webster

Listen to that interview with Charlie and try to tell me he shouldn't be encouraged to resign.


Charlie Webster- Chairman

Michelle Dale- Assistant to the Chairman

Michael Quatrano- Executive Director

9 Higgins Street
Augusta, ME 04330
Phone 207.622.6247
Fax 207.6235322


Hearsay is an in court statement from one witness as to the statements made by another person out of court. As an attorney, the legal definition of "hearsay" is "an out of court statement asserted to prove the facts of the the matter stated". It is inadmissible for one person to testify about another person's statement to prove the fact to be true. There are many exceptions to that rule of law. That is not the case here. It is not hearsay. No one is in court and we have eye witness testimony as to the fact that votes were counted and not properly credited. There are many witnesses that can prove that to be true. It is not hearsay, it is election fraud. The right to vote and have your vote count is worth fighting for.

Agreed not hearsay

this is not hearsay for the following reason: These people are marking a point of reference their respective counties and their own votes cast that were not correctly reported. This is a witness to the count & votes, therefor it must be taken as such and must be recognized that anything they are witness to can be testified to in court as a first hand witness , and are the ONLY ones with LEGAL standing to sue. Hearsay (in this case) would have to be a case where someone other than the voter (witness) is reporting that the numbers are not correct according to "blank" that is hearsay, because that person themselves was not there to witness such events taking place.

More Proof

Looking at both list below is the error rate and if these errors hold true throughout the State Paul will win the straw poll by six votes. Paul would have 2289 to Romneys 2283. How does this sort of thing happen? 15% of Ron Paul votes were not counted.....

Wrong GOP Totals 118 143 62 21 0 346
Right Kennebec County Totals 123 164 62 24 8 381
Missing Totals 5 19 0 3 8 35
Error Percent 1.042372881 1.146853147 1 1.142857143 0 1.101156069
GOP Released State Totals 2190 1996 989 349 61 5585
Possible Right Totals 2283 2289 989 399 61 6150


On another thread, don't

On another thread, don't recall which one, there was info from 2 towns. One where the state GOP -0- the count, and another where they stole votes from Ron Paul and Sanitorium and gave them to Romney.

Those two towns account for 34 votes for Ron Paul. Romney's total there was 8 votes. And there are 140+ towns who's votes have not been counted, or cast.
That is substantial.

RON PAUL 2012 * Restore America * Bring The Troops Home

More of the same.

I think there's been sufficient 'anectdotal' evidence so far, to confirm either tampering or sheer incompentence on the part of some individuals.

Having said that, are not 'write-ins' simply classed as being invalid?..
and I don't get it..why not vote RP?

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Hearsay doesn't hold up in a

Hearsay doesn't hold up in a court of law folks. Without evidence you are WASTING your time and energy. Do something constructive.

“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” -George Bernard Shaw

Where did you get your law degree?

Mine is on my wall and you are not correct. When votes are publicly counted and then the wrong numbers are credited, it is not "hearsay". Stop trying to discourage people from exposing vote tampering.