Very disappointed in many Ron Paul supporters
Submitted by PzldPtrt on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 13:08It's very frustrating to see how much time many of you seem to spend on the DP and other pro-Paul forums preaching to the choir about "voter fraud" with little to no hard evidence, but so few sign up for the phone from home program, or engage in other types of activism to spread the message to people who aren't getting it through the MSM.
We are being completely derailed with the fraud stuff. There's simply no way to prove fraud or it would have been done. If fraud were rampant, there would be one thread with SOLID evidence of it, evidence that would hold up in court, but there isn't a single one. Instead there's a bunch of speculation and hearsay, proving absolutely nothing.
Friends, our energy can and should be better spent on spreading the message, not on preaching to the choir about how Dr. Paul doesn't get a fair shake, and speculating on the possibility that fraud is occurring.
And please, if I hear one more person say, "The campaign isn't saying anything about it because they want us to do their dirty work", I might just stop coming here altogether.
If you're going to talk about fraud, I have one request, PROVE it.
*in before this post is at -50 because Paul supporters HATE the truth*
















this is the third thread on which . . .
I have asked for instructions on signing up for the phone bank--
I HAVE signed up for my state, and I expect to hear back. Someone (can't remember his/her name) on another thread said that the phone bank is a direct sign-up where the caller interacts with the site to begin without any other contact--
but I can't find it--
I signed up for something last week (not my state phoning program)--
but I did not see any area where I could 'do it myself'--
I am confused.
Admittedly, I am not the most computer literate person on DP--
*sarcasm*
:)
can someone direct me to the phone from home area?
And tell me how I can make this connection?
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
The preponderance of evidence shows proof
What would you prefer, proof beyond a reasonable doubt or the preponderance of evidence? Do to the fact we have observed a reoccuring censorship of RP both in the media and with the Republican Party centain patterns develop. When a state cherry picks the counties that get to vote and the one excluded from voting is historically for Paul, I would call that evidence.
What part of "those who cast
What part of "those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything" don't you understand?
WE AUSTRIANS NOW
Very disappointed in people like you
that bitch about what people like me do with our time. People like you don't seem to understand the concept of Liberty, which is so strange considering that is what Ron Paul's message is about. If you don't like what people like me do, too effing bad. Go and do your own thing and quit bitching about what others do.
It is up to the people to
It is up to the people to keep things honest and question everything. If those in control of counting the votes know they are being watched they are going to be a bit more careful about how they conduct their elections. They are going to have to be honest or a bit more stealthy in their fraud. Putting a few in prison will do well to warn the other entrenched GOP tools to conduct an honest election. But, such things won't come to pass without people discussing it, figuring out what happened, and doing something about it.
here we go again
things don't go quite as planned?
things go sideways or crooked?
and your attitude or energy gets
directed at your friends and the DP
family?
have you personally met everyone of us to make some of
your claims?
here is a little tidbit to hold on to
life never ever goes as planned,about the time you think
you have it figured out,you don't
if you think the road you are on was going right,it's
not it just went left
deacon
If you think there is no
If you think there is no voter fraud your delusional. Judging people for what they do with their time come on, who do you think you are?
Liberty, tolerance is what the DP is all about.
Since when do YOU know what "we" do with our free time?
Really? You're grouping us all into a category defined by you. I recently notarized over 140 petitions for RP delegates here in PA. How dare you judge me!
Schnecksville, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania
I agree completely
I get very tired of the conspiracy stuff. If the public sentiment was there we would win. People act as though there is some malicious force that is somehow ignorant to the truth but yet brilliant enough to control all media outlets and dissenting views. And ultimately produce enough election fraud to overturn a victory. The only one so far is Maine. And that is because they didn't get to all vote yet.
The conspiracy stuff and the anger and frustration does not win friends and influence people, it's a distraction and pushes them away. Plain and simple.
No one puts up good you tube video's anymore, no one talks about "For Liberty" anymore.
Heck even the super brochures aren't talked about because it's all fraud this, conspiracy that. What is amazing to me is that Maine had 2000 people show up and vote for RP via the caucus. If we can't do better than that, we frankly won't win, delegates or not.
Stay focused, Ron Paul does. We like ron paul, we want him to win, he is the one that inspires us with his tireless pursuit of persuasion through utilizing logic and reason. He doesn't go off on conspiracy stuff. Stay the course, stay the mainstream issues.
People don't care about what happened in NV, they care about jobs. They care about who can they trust. Ron has stayed the course, as is his relentless quest. We must maintain an even keel and always move forward. Pursue the office, pursue the delegates, pursue the hearts and minds of the people. That is the perspective from which our output should be derived. You visualize winning, you visualize what it takes to win and work towards it.
I know I can get better, more effienent better educated on topics, more phone banking, talk with more friends and relatives.
I mentioned a while back about fraud too and where is the evidence. I have a phone on my camera, I have a pocket size tape recorder, if I am going into some sort of GOP meeting I would turn it on, if I felt there was some evil process going on. No one that I have seen has yet tangible evidence, but we sure do talk a good game. I am surprised there is no conspiracy talk about how "they" are pushing us to focus on things outside of phone banking (ron pauls' own words were this is the "most important thing you can do") and onto election fraud how romney is the one the secret insiders want and then no it's really santorum it's always been santorum and then no it's always been jed bush and come on!
Stay focused! We must convince people to vote for Ron Paul that's it.
If you schedule or postpone 16.3% of the caucuses...
...and then afterword say that when these caucuses vote the vote won't be counted that is ELECTION FRAUD. This is a FACT. This is the HARD EVIDENCE in plain sight. Usually I am the first person to be skeptical about election fraud; however, this is indisputable.
...sigh....
OK...one more time: We've been F'd in EVERY STATE SO FAR...not because the boots on the ground haven't worked, but because of criminal activity. Should we all just stick our heads in the sand and hope the bad people just go away?
The Campaign's job is to campaign...they've got a full plate and are doing great! YOU AND I are supposed to fight the crime and treasonous acts that are occuring in the GOPs of each state. The evidence is out there...we WILL find it, but not by turning the other cheek. I'm glad you're angry; so am I. Turn your anger and disgust toward your state GOP...think like a crook to catch a crook. Hold your nose and join them...get on the inside, get the dirt, and then blow the friggin whistle and watch them all march off to prison. That's my plan locally...I've held my nose, and am getting deeping into the county GOP. If I find anything, heads will roll.
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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.
"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry
Just donated $115 and posted all money bomb info to
all email and meet ups across the states of
Florida
Nevada
Iowa
Called last night for Paul and am still working hard for Dr. Paul. the phone from home was on North Dakota, simple to use.
I hear your frustration, YES there was voter fraud, BUT YES we did not have people show up to vote, we would have smacked down the other 3 in our state had they bothered to show up. I know this is not the case in every state, but in ours it WAS a combination of both.
Maybe until it actually affects their food, roof, and vehicle they will not show up, as history has shown, then it will be too late.
Perhaps you would feel better as you CHANGE your thinking?
That is to say, Look for the Good in Everything. Even in these vote issues there is something good which can result. The crooks that perpetrate fraud behind closed doors have to work really hard now since they realize that they have a bright light shining...and like cockroaches they run when the light comes on. And there is the GOOD that comes from all this discussion.
fearless brave joyful peaceful loving grateful, compassionate
Yet another
useless post.
How about you do what you suggest, and stop whining about people not doing what you think they should be doing.
I would love to do some
I would love to do some phoning from home, unfortunately, I leave my house at 6:00am to get to work by 9:00am and don't get home til around 8:30pm at night. Hardly a good time to be calling people to talk about Ron Paul. In fact, I would be pissed off if I got a call that late.
As much as I want to help with the phone banking, it just isn't possible with my current work schedule
Depending on which states the
Depending on which states the system is calling and if you're not on the west coast you CAN still call, or wait until the system calls Alaska or Hawaii.
Do you get a lunch break or a day off at all?
What a bummer!
Your opinion is not the truth
If you chose to put your head in the sand, then that is you perogative. But the rest of us have a campaign to win. We supporters and Americans leave no rock unturned, we don't like cheaters. We appreciate your support but concentrate on what you can handle. Stop trying to stop progress, and don't be confused we are making progress.
That's the thing. We're
That's the thing. We're making no progress on this and we won't make any progress. There are much more productive things we can be doing. I am making calls every day after working a full shift. Whining on the DP or making calls and whining to the GOP with zero evidence of fraud isn't going to get us anywhere.
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” -George Bernard Shaw
Maine: Pressure mounting for GOP caucus reconsideration
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/14/politics/elections/pre...
We do need to be more active
I feel kinda ashamed because I haven't done this myself, but we really do need to spend our energy doing what we can to promote Ron Paul's cause. We need to phone from home, get involved, become delegates, and basically do more than just preach to the choir.
"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine
start here
http://waldo.villagesoup.com/news/story/waldo-county-mostly-...
then work backwards to Iowa and Nevada. Then think about what they are going to do to nullify us in upcoming states