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Was Iowa stolen from Ron Paul?

I know we have overwhelming evidence that Maine was stolen, and a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Nevada was stolen (a strong second place, at least); however, Iowa certainly looked the most suspicious. After all CNN's "entrance" poll showed Ron Paul winning by 1% over Mitt Romney and 7% ahead of Santorum. However, at about 11%, the vote "filpped" and Ron Paul was in third, where he stayed during the rest of the night.
I'm getting pretty beat up on another website, by those that said the campaign followed the results closely and there was "no fraud" except for those 7 missing precincts. Anyone have any ammo out there?




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It did matter and I do believe it was stolen

I am absolutely no conspiracy theorist but Iowa was stolen in my eyes. The GOP knew whats going on now with Pauls relevancy would happen so they stole it. I am never going to stop being bitter about Iowa because Iowa is the reason we are not a "front runner" right now. That boost from Iowa would have probably put Paul on top of NH as well and given Paul probably 2nd or 3rd in SC and thus the world would start waking up. The reason Paul had 22k voters in NV is because that was when Paul was polling well in IA but people believe the media more than you think. My dad has like 24 GOP conservative friends in his work group and they all wee on the Paul bandwagon until he lost IA and especially 4th in SC and FL and worse in NV and ME. It's tough battling the media but The good Doc isn't making it any easier by not campaigning harder. Look, I hate medved but he made a point that Paul has all but disappeared in the media, including at CPAC and his Gallup poll stung and that's because people believe he can't win even though it's the biggest load of crap we know of. I pray ,y heart something big happens soon to get Paul popular again!!!!!

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As we saw in Maine

a chairperson went against what the main GOP asked and counted his precincts votes aloud and kept a record.

When he called in to confront the Maine GOP about their inaccurate reports, while speaking to the secretary, she stated that her numbers were correct...yet was taken back when the guy stated that they had counted there and read aloud the votes.

It was a surprise no doubt because they've got the system setup so that no one hand knows what all of the other million hands are doing.

I think it's highly likely the same thing has been done in every state.

Word gets passed down that the main people will do the counting and people trust them therefore they don't track it themselves.

This is why is paramount to have boots on the ground counting. It's also of equal importance that people voice their dislike and say "Nay" when the vote isn't read allowed..

Doing those two things.. not one but both combined will disrupt the chain of cheating. No way they can have every chair seat filled with people willing to cheat the system.

Let's do our own entrance polls and lets not stay quiet at the meetings after the straw votes. Demand that the votes be counted where all people can watch.

If you don't speak up, you're handing them a way to defeat us through fraud.

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That was a beauty contest.. The Straw vote.

any updates did they have their county conventions? How are we looking going into the State Convention to nominate delegates to the National?

AJ SPIKER, HELP!

Now that the head of the Iowa GOP is a Ron Paul supporter we may have a chance at finding out what happened. Here is AJ Spiker's facebook page if you want to send him a message.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001820763571

There are 3 states it was

There are 3 states it was "stolen" Iowa was media pushing Santorum last minute to take votes away from Pau It worked. Nevada because of caucus changes and because of so-called supporters not getting out to vote.

Maine because of sleazy GOP business.

I don't call it fraud, but it is GOP monkey business.

I don't believe the "Santorum surge"

was due to the media. I think the media were tipped off in advance that he was going to surge and began reporting it as part of the orchestration.

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What happened, and I followed

What happened, and I followed it closely, was that Santorum went up like 2-3 points and the media went with it, 24/7 saying he was surging and could win. Then the good old republicans went with him because after a mont of the media saying that Paul win would make Iowa look bad, they "had' to vote for someone else who wasn't Romney and Gingrich..

I can't find the article, but I read

that votes were stolen from Rick Perry to give to Santorum. Perry actually won 2 counties in SW Iowa.

For those claiming that Iowa was "squeaky clean" and the like...

Please read this article from two days before the Iowa Caucuses:

Something Rotten in Iowa? The Hacktivist Threat Timeline
http://www.theendrun.com/something-rotten-in-iowa-the-hackti...

The media and Iowa GOP revived an extremely dubious 6+ week old supposed "hacker threat" and reported it as breaking news as soon as Ron moved into first place (literally the same day)

Then the same guy who uploaded the "hacker threat" video started provocateuring at the offices of candidates (although the media never made the connection). They then used all of this as an excuse to move the counting to a secretly location.

Meanwhile, the guy was bizarrely posing as a Paul supporter, even as he was getting arrested protesting Ron Paul.

You just gotta read the article. They basically had all of their bases covered going into Iowa. They had an excuse to say that Paul supporters "hacked" it if we won, and they also had a cover story in case they got caught tampering with things themselves.

Seriously?

How does that in any way imply the Iowa GOP stole 3800 votes from Paul? Did any caucus chairmen come out and say their totals were wrong? Was there any selective counting, caucuses that never occurred, and the like that happened in Maine? If you want to see a sleazy state party, look at New York or New Jersey. Iowa is as clean as politics get.

everyone sais

it does not matter...but if we were 1st in iowa werent we entitled to more delegates?

No. That's what "IT DOESN'T

No. That's what "IT DOESN'T MATTER" MEANS.

Yes, I think we won, Yes, it mattered

But it doesn't matter anymore.

If anyone wants to investigate on their own, by all means.

But it doesn't help the campaign to keep making threads about it.

Does it really matter?

Does it matter what the media and GOP say? If we RP supporters suspect the vote is a fraud in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Minnesota - let's go with that. Admit to ourselves, fraud is happening and we can secretly think RP has indeed the support of the voters in these States.

Vote flipping is so easy to do, it was proven in court in the 2000 election cycle and it has been proven in Iowa, where Rick Santorums miraculous come-from-behind win was ultimately the headline.

Our story has to be one of fraud, then in our hearts we know we are really winning and it makes it more difficult to steal the vote when support is this high. We have to remain diligent, hard working, polite and convince everyone RP is the answer for the US economy and liberty

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No

We lost fair and square. Despite the flip in winner, Iowa has run the squeakiest clean caucus so far this year, a lot more honest than Maine, a lot more organized than Nevada, and a lot more accurate than the one they ran in 1980 when Reagan lost to Bush because a lot of votes were missing. When the vote percentage is closer than Florida 2000 any election system is going to have problems getting it exactly right. But losing by 3800 votes is not within the margin of election system error. Those "missing" 8 precincts reported that Santorum won on caucus night and had less than 200 votes anyway so that is nothing to hang your hat on.

The truth is Ron did exceptionally well in Iowa, far better than anyone would have expected two months earlier. Yes, he led the polls briefly before Christmas and the newsletter thing hurt that momentum so that he was narrowly trailing Romney and narrowly ahead of a surging Santorum on caucus eve. You can blame dirty politics, but you can't blame the vote counters for that. In a way the Paul campaign made a tactical error in going after Gingrich so strongly and so continuously because Newt's support collapsed and allowed Santorum to consolidate conservative support at the very end.

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The straw poll may have been rigged but that doesn't stop people from being a delegate.

Does anybody know what eight

Does anybody know what eight precints were missing and how many votes we are talking about? I've been looking for this info but can't find it anywhere.

If I haven't overlooked something, I'm very surpised these questions haven't been asked.

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Word has it that one of them was from the Ames, Iowa

College district, a Paul stronhold. Need to accumulate this data. Why not? First time in history that 8 precincts disappeared.

Are you saying

that lists such as this one:
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/26/29049/
are wrong? Otherwise why rely on "word has it" when the actual list of precincts, and the number of votes involved, is no secret?

Your question is answered below

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Maybe not first - but

Maybe not first - but certainly second at the very least. Santorum to surge that much when he could't fill a pizza parlor is a little hard to bite off.

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Certainly

Ron Paul crushed the Ames Iowa straw poll nearly beating Randy Travis! (I mean M. Bachman.) There is no way the honest, hard-working, intelligent people of Iowa would vote for Conservative pretenders. Why would the GOP insiders pull so many underhanded tactics if they didn't fear a Ronslide. Let the people vote in open transparent elections and you will see the full power and glory of the Ron Paul R3volution. Peace.

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Seven MISSING Precincts is a Big Deal...they should

be able to to call the precinct captains and get the totals.
Someone HAS the raw totals in each precinct.

CaliforniaGirlForPaul

It is a big deal

For the legitimacy of the caucus.

For the voters who do not have their votes counted.

For Iowa to maintain their status as first in the nation.

For Romney and Santorum, who are separated by only a few votes, in which a small change could certify or change one's victory.

But it is not a big deal for the Paul campaign. Only ~200 people voted in those precincts. It would be impossible for those precincts to give Paul victory. What would 200 votes do even if we won them all? We would be 3600 votes from victory instead of 3800.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/26/29049/

Just added them up. From the 8 missing precincts (missing E Form), here are the results:

Santoum - 82
Paul - 66
Romney - 40
Gingrich - 33
Perry - 30
Bachmann - 15
Huntsman - 2

Agreed

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The

exit polls in Iowa showed that Ron Paul won the state. But, they said they were wrong. These are the same exit polls that they use to declare a winner in all the other states with less than one percent of the vote in. I say yes Ron Paul won Iowa.

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For real!

The MSM can claim "projected" winners based on exit polls, unless it's Ron Paul. Don't want to EVER admit Ron Paul won.

The exit polls said Kerry beat Bush in 2004

Exit polls are often wrong.

Actually, in the case of

Actually, in the case of Kerry v Bush, the exit polls were likely correct.

And there is strong evidence Bush stole the 2004 election.

Mark Crispin Miller made that case very persuasively in his book Fooled Again.