possible amendment to the constitution! please spread the word.
Submitted by stath on Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:31Ok my proposal for a possible amendment would be simply put.
In the process to pass a bill into law. After the president signs it there is a vote held by the nation. If the law is passed by a vote of 2/3rds of the United States citizens(or those that voted.) The bill is passed into law. Also if a current law wants to be repealed by the citizens of the united states, there is a vote held. If a 2/3 majority of the citizens want the law repealed it is instantly repealed.
So if 90% of Americans want to leave the war. We leave the war. The politicians don't decide what is best for the people, the people decide what is best for themselves.
Of course this is really crude but as a republic the people decide. Just the one extra step in the law creation process that would prevent many of the problems that we have today.
yet another troll. i would
yet another troll. i would love to be given moderator status just for trolls, MN
Cos Cob, CT
Well lets hear some reasons
Well lets hear some reasons why if you are against it. If there would be any modification to it that would make it more appeasing or anything for that matter. The individual states should be determining their own laws and not be force to by the federal government. So many laws passed recently have no support by most Americans.
I don't see why adding one extra step on top of the current process would be that bad. If you would like to inform my why you think that please go ahead. I think that optimally the federal government shouldn't be setting the laws in the first place but they are, and the corruption in the government is rampant.
Our governments current state will take a long time to get it back to what it was.
Check out
"The Final Amendment" above, and I believe the result you/we are hopeing to achieve can be done.
The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson
You say you'll change the Constitution, well, you know...
But as long as we've gone there, I like this proposal from The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress:
Final amendment!
No one has the right to vote on my right to life, liberty.
The purpose of concious life is to live creatively, happily and eternally.
The function of government is to provide the conditions that let individuals fulfill that purpose.
The Constitution guarantees those conditions by forbidding the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual, property, or contract.
Article 1
No person, group of persons, or government shall initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual's self, property, or contract.
Article 2
Force is morally-and-legally justified only for protection from those who violate Article 1.
Article 3
No exceptions shall exist for Articles 1 and 2.
-Frank R. Wallace
Any other provisions not consistant with the final amendment are null and void.
The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson
Is this better?
Final amendment!
No one has a vote on my right to life, liberty, unless my actions are infringing on the rights of another.
The purpose of concious life is to live creatively, happily and eternally.
The only legitimate function of government is to secure the conditions that let individuals fulfill that purpose.
The Final amendment to the constitution secures those conditions by forbidding the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual, property, or contract.
"Article 1
No person, group of persons, or government shall initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual's self, property, or contract.
Article 2
Force is morally-and-legally justified only for protection from those who violate Article 1.
Article 3
No exceptions shall exist for Articles 1 and 2."
-Frank R. Wallace
Any other provisions not consistant with the final amendment are null and void.
The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson
I'd strike or rewrite the sentence about government providing
conditions - sounds too much like promoting the general welfare, and we know how that phrase has been perverted.
Maybe something like this (borrowing form DOI):
The function of government is to secure the rights that allow individuals to fulfill their purposes.
The Constitution secures these rights by forbidding the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual, property, or contract.
Other than those minor tweaks, I like it.
Thank you!
I like the correction.
The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of evolving consciousness, love and life.--Craig Johnson
Bad Idea
Ex: Slavery
Two wolves will alway vote for mutton for dinner
Baaaaaaaaaaad idea (for the sheep).
direct democracy! But who
direct democracy!
But who counts the vote?
Bad idea. This can too easily
Bad idea. This can too easily be used against the interest if liberty. 2/3's of Americans can rule the other third? What about the individual rights of MINORITIES. That is the essence of a republic. The LAW, written by representatives,rules. Not a person or a group of people. I think whats gone wrong is poor representation and ignorant Americans. Read the Federalist papers. I think Tom Woods had a good article on this issue. Im surprised someone on this site thinks this is a good idea.
"War is a Racket" - Maj. General Smedley Butler
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
True true, with the voter
True true, with the voter fraud that would be a huge issue. Probably the first one to solve then this.
It would still go through the normal processes. It would basically add an extra wall before a law is passed. I could see the second half being a problem though. If the president wants to sign the NDAA into law, he would still have to wait for a vote from the people to be finalized.